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The truth about John f.(flip-flop)Kerrys Vietnam war heroics is finally coming to light...

http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd.htm


And this is the man who may become our next president?

God help us all.

DD

At Least Kerry went to war, as opposed to our current Predident. I hope the republicans have a message at their convention. If all they do is attack Kerry, they will lose more votes than they gain.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

OK, OK, OK.........IF this information is true, then I think the only appropriate thing to do would be for the Democrats to hire this bad@ss PI to investigate ol' GW and his WMDs..........being GW is such the pillar of truth.......hell, I say let the man also look into GW record with the NG.

So if I recall correctly war records were insignificant when it was Bush 40 against Clinton but now all of the sudden they are very important.

Charlie, all propoganda aside, where exactly is this "proof" of WMD? "He said, she said" coming from biased sources DOES NOT count. Inquiring, mis-lead Americans want to know. We would all like to see the immediate danger Saddam posed with his WMDs.......that is the reason OUR soldiers are dying, right?

BTW, we know he used gas on Kurds and is an evil individual, but that is not the reason GW used for going to war without unilateral support........Saddam was supposedly posing an immediate threat to the rest of the free world........SHOW ME THE THREAT! Do realize, Saddam and Osama are not the same people as one resided in Iraq and the other in/around Afganistan.

Yup......and it is known as the first gulf war.

Now, again, what was the reason THIS TIME?!

Hog,

First, this war has cost MUCH more in the past year than the last decade in terms of dollars required to "baby sit" Saddam.

Second, if the US is to be the world's Champion, then I do believe we should turn our focus towards Africa now.......the atrocities occuring over there right now make Pre-war Iraq look like Romper Room. BUT, they don't have WMDs........

Third, do realize the VAST MAJORITY of the US population is not of the military cloth and the "kick ass" mentality, while it befits a soldier, it does not align well with civilized society.

Fourth, what do you think the casualties would be without modern technology (not present in Vietnam)? And, what do you think the casualties would be if we went to war with China (more appropriate comparison to WWII)?

BTW, we are far from ready to leave Iraq, so expect that 900 to get quit a bit larger in the next 3 to 10 years.......but, hey, we got Saddam!

Ok Sugar, let me clarify.

It is an element of a soldier's demeanor that does not align itself with civilized society. A soldier can be civilized, but is trained to be savage when needs be. This is not a knock on soldiers......they are trained to be warriors, where the rest of us are not; therefore, we think a bit different at times.

I hope you can see this from there......

Sonny

We do not train our soldiers to be Savages! You need to realize that no American military man is trained to be a Savage, yes, trained to survive and act on instinct, but not to be some head case that goes around and tortures the opposing forces! I do not ever remember at any time in my training being trained to act in such a manor......Never!

Charlie

first off, there are red herrings all over the place throughout this thread. apples and oranges comparisons.

i did want to say this, though -- my dad was raised from age five in an orphanage (he ran away at age 16 and joined the USMC, fought in WWII).

he considered the corps to be his "first real family" because the USMC did, in essence, take him from boyhood to manhood.

he learned (and used in the so. pacific) hand-to-hand combat in the corps. he was also taught which fork and spoon to use at formal dinners, to stand up when a lady entered the room and dozens upon dozens of other manners/social graces... in the USMC.

i don't know if the corps (or any branch) still teaches "the gentlemanly arts" to its troops, but back then the USMC taught them to be both efficient killing machines when necessary and to be polished, knowledgable gentlemen whose immaculate manners were most impressive when not in combat.