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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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WASHINGTON -- A week after Senator John F. Kerry heralded his wartime experience by surrounding himself at the Democratic convention with his Vietnam ''Band of Brothers," a separate group of veterans has launched a television ad campaign and a book that questions the basis for some of Kerry's combat medals.

But yesterday, a key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed
off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book.

Elliott is quoted as saying that Kerry ''lied about what occurred in Vietnam . . . for example, in
connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back."

The statement refers to an episode in which Kerry killed a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher, part of a chain of events that formed the basis of his Silver Star. Over time, some Kerry critics have questioned whether the soldier posed a danger to Kerry's crew. Crew members have said Kerry's actions saved their lives.

Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the affidavit and said he still
thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star.

''I still don't think he shot the guy in the back," Elliott said. ''It was a terrible mistake probably for
me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."

Elliott said he was no under personal or political pressure to sign the statement, but he did feel
''time pressure" from those involved in the book. ''That's no excuse," Elliott said. ''I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake."

The affidavit also contradicted earlier statements by Elliott, who came to Boston during Kerry's 1996 Senate campaign to defend Kerry on similar charges, saying that Kerry acted properly and deserved the Silver Star.

The book, ''Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," is to be published next week. Yesterday it reached number one on the bestseller list on Amazon.com, based on advance orders, in part because of publicity about it on the Drudge Report.

The book seeks to undermine one of the central claims of Kerry's campaign -- that his Vietnam War heroism would make him a good commander in chief.

While the Regnery Publishing yesterday declined to release an advance copy of the book, Drudge's website quotes it as saying, ''Elliott indicates that a Silver Star recommendation would not have been made by him had he been aware of the actual facts."

Meanwhile, a television advertising campaign began yesterday featuring many of the anti-Kerry veterans who are quoted in the book, including Elliott. In the ad, Elliott says, ''John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

Asked to supply evidence to support that statement, the anti-Kerry group provided a copy of Elliott's affidavit. Elliott said the same affidavit had been used in the production of the book.

It is unclear whether the work contains further justification for the assertion, beyond Elliott's
statement.

Kerry won the Silver Star for his action on Feb. 28, 1969, in which he shot a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher and running toward a hut. All of Kerry's crewmates who participated and are still living said in interviews last year that the action was necessary and appropriate, and it was Elliott who recommended Kerry for the Silver Star.

In an interview for a seven-part biographical series that appeared in the Globe last year, Kerry said: ''I don't have a second's question" about killing the Viet Cong. ''He was running away with a live B-40, and, I thought, poised to turn around and fire it."

Asked whether that meant that he had shot the guerrilla in the back, Kerry said, ''No, absolutely
not," adding that the enemy had been running to a hut for cover, where he could have destroyed Kerry's boat and killed the crew.

The forthcoming book is coauthored by Jerome R. Corsi and John O'Neill, a former Vietnam naval officer who in 1971 debated Kerry on the ****** Cavett show, challenging Kerry's assertion that US atrocities had been widespread in Vietnam. O'Neill met with then-President Richard M. Nixon for an hour before debating Kerry, and his efforts were encouraged by Nixon's aides.

O'Neill could not be reached for comment yesterday. President Bush's campaign denied working with O'Neill on the book or with the producers of the television advertisement.

Meanwhile, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, urged Bush yesterday to disassociate himself from what he called a ''dishonest and dishonorable" attack. In response, the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, said, ''We have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam."

The Associated Press reported yesterday that Houston home-builder Bob J. Perry, a major Republican donor, gave at least $100,000 to the organization sponsoring the ad, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

The Kerry campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said none of those in the ad had served on a boat with Kerry. ''Some of these men defended John Kerry's honor on his military record in 1996 and so they were either lying then or lying now," Meehan said. ''Either way, it is gutter politics."

The book also raises questions about the action of March 13, 1969, for which Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart, according to an advance chapter of the book.

On that day, Kerry rescued James Rassmann, who went overboard as a result of an explosion. Rassmann appeared by Kerry's side during the Iowa caucus campaign and at last week's Democratic National Convention, telling the story of how Kerry pulled him out of the water while his boat was under fire.

As in the case of the Silver Star, it was Elliott who recommended Kerry for the Bronze Star. According to the recommendation signed by Elliott, a mine exploded under a boat accompanying Kerry's craft.

''Almost simultaneously, another mine detonated close aboard [Kerry's] PCF-94, knocking First Lieutenant Rassman [sic] into the water and wounding Lt. JG Kerry in the right arm."

Elliott then described how Kerry ''managed to pull Lt. Rassman aboard despite the painful wound in his right arm." Elliott concluded that Kerry had been ''calm, professional, and highly courageous in the face of enemy fire."

Elliott, in the interview yesterday, said that based on the affidavits of the veterans on other boats, he now thinks his assessment about the Bronze Star and third Purple Heart may have been based on poor information.

In one affidavit, for example, Van O'Dell, who said he had been in a boat near Kerry on that day, declared that Kerry had ''lied" about what happened on that day and said that Rassmann was not under enemy fire when Kerry pulled him aboard.

Elliott, asked about the contradiction between his recommendation and his new questioning of Kerry's third Purple Heart, responded, ''It makes me look kind of silly, to be perfectly honest."

But he said: ''I simply have no reason for these guys to be lying, and if they are lying in concert, it
is one hell of a conspiracy. So, on the basis of all of the information that has come out, I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand."

Naval documents said that Kerry ''received shrapnel wounds in left buttocks and contusions on right forearm when a mine detonated close to PCF 94 while engaged in operations on river. Condition and prognosis excellent. Result of hostile action."

Rassmann, reached by telephone yesterday, said he has never had any question that Kerry deserved the Purple Heart. He said there were two separate events: One was earlier in the day, when he and Kerry blew up a rice cache, and the explosion caused some of the rice to hit Kerry, and perhaps some weapon fragments as well. The second involved a mine explosion as Kerry and Rassmann were on patrol. The explosion, Rassmann said, knocked him overboard and threw Kerry against the pilot house, injuring his arm.

Rassmann said that he has always believed that Kerry got the third Purple Heart solely for the injury to his arm as a result of the explosion in the water.

''If he got fragments in the buttocks due to the mine, that is new information to me," Rassmann said.

''I would say there is confusion. Maybe they did lump it together. It was my understanding he got it
for the wound being thrown across the pilot house."

Either way, Rassmann said, Kerry deserved the third Purple Heart because such awards are given for injuries incurred in combat, and Kerry's arm injury qualified. He also stood by his recollection that he was under fire when rescued by Kerry.

Those questioning Kerry's medals, Rassmann said, are ''angry about John speaking out against the [Vietnam] war."


NOW TELL ME ABOUT BUSH'S HEROISM IN ALABAMA.
JonR Offline
#2 Posted:
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CUT AND PASTE...CUT AND PASTE... NO AUTHORS CREDITS...NO WEBSITE CREDIT...

Just more bull**** to add to the "I'm not going to debate or call people names", broken promise.

D-Day, August 15TH 2004, "And the truth shall be known".

JonR
Thom Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2003
Posts: 6,117
JonR,

Where do you get off being able to use cuss words on this web site? Or are you following in our Vice President's vocal pattern? What a hippocrat.

...Sorry for the thread jack.
usahog Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
No Thom he's following in Mrs (Hienz)Kerry's Vocal Patterns... you know the same woman who will be reading books to your children/grandchildren if her hubby gets in office ;0)~~~

can't you hear them kids now... "Shove it" Grandpa

did you learn that in School?

Mommy who is this c*cksucker?

just what I want my kids to be learning in 1st grade!!!

Hog
Charlie Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Come on Rick, why not paste an encyclopedia or an entire book? That is too long to even try and get through!

LMAO

Charlie
GTofMurphy Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 05-16-2002
Posts: 341
This is interesting and telling:
From Matt Drudge
BOSTON GLOBE 'REPORTER' PAID TO WRITE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN BOOK FOREWORD -- WHILE COVERING KERRY

BOSTON GLOBE reporter Mike Kranish made waves on Friday by reporting a key figure in the anti-Kerry ad campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, "backed off one of the key contentions."

But Captain George Elliott claims the Kranish article is "extremely inaccurate" and highly misstated his actual views.

Oddly, journalist Kranish has been commissioned to write the foreword of the official Kerry-Edwards campaign book -- just as he is covering the campaign in an official capacity as a journalist for the BOSTON GLOBE!

GTofMurphy Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 05-16-2002
Posts: 341
This is interesting and telling:
From Matt Drudge
BOSTON GLOBE 'REPORTER' PAID TO WRITE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN BOOK FOREWORD -- WHILE COVERING KERRY

BOSTON GLOBE reporter Mike Kranish made waves on Friday by reporting a key figure in the anti-Kerry ad campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, "backed off one of the key contentions."

But Captain George Elliott claims the Kranish article is "extremely inaccurate" and highly misstated his actual views.

Oddly, journalist Kranish has been commissioned to write the foreword of the official Kerry-Edwards campaign book -- just as he is covering the campaign in an official capacity as a journalist for the BOSTON GLOBE!

La10870 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-1999
Posts: 993
I think it's a waste of time to keep treating Kerry's Viet Nam service as the key to the election. If he qualified and was awarded the Purple Hearts/Metals then so be it. Anyone that served in that hell hole deserves our thanks and our gratitude. Every man that has worn the uniform, rather it's in the war or in peacetime deserves our gratitude.

My question is what has he done or accomplished in his life since Viet Nam that uniquely qualifies him for the most powerful position in the world and what are his plans for the future? I keep hearing sound bites but I don't hear any unique or concrete plans and I hear very little discussion about his record in the Senate except from the Republicans.



The campaign finance reform bill is responsible for alot of this....now both parties can have hatchet men spreading half-truths and lies and no one is accountable. Great idea Mr. McCain, lousy execution.
JonR Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Thom:

Before I reply to your impertinent thread-jack, answer me this...is Thom short for Thomisina or does Thom stand for Tom, in other words are you male or female.

JonR
CWFoster Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 12-12-2003
Posts: 5,414
LA10870, in order to understand why his actions are germaine you must look at the TOTAL picture of his service, and what it means to be an active duty military member. I don't care if he cut himself shaving because he flinched hearing an AK-47 go off, I wont begrudge him his medals. In the service you are taught (if your daddy didn't do it already) to value Honor Courage, and Commitment. These are embodied in the Code of Conduct for US Military Forces. Now as far as his service in the "brown water Navy" is concerned, I have no problem. If he shot the rocket toting VC in the back, more power to him! Giving a mortal enemy a fair chance is giving him a chance to kill some more of your buddies before you take him out. But one the fight is over...

you do NOT try to pressure Congress to approve a peace plan that was drafted in East Germany, calling for a withdrawal of US forces without a guarantee of the return of our POW's (that was to be worked out later, read extortion!)

you do NOT sympathize with the enemy, and corroborate that us troops routinely commit war crimes, and crimes against humanity, if you were an honorable Naval Officer, why didn't you report these atrocities and bring the perpetrators to justice?

you do NOT expect the people whom you have tried to abandon, and accused of crimes against humanity to simply forget that you did these thing as a result of a misspent youth, and then after twenty years of voting against virtually every weapons system upgrade to come before Congress, expect that your former comrades are not going to throw the BS flag when you say your war record will make you the best choice for a strong America!
CWFoster Offline
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Joined: 12-12-2003
Posts: 5,414
Rick, I read it, and I'm sorry you cut and pasted this without finding out this guys objectivity is more compromised than a virgins cherry in a bordello!
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