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KIBBUTZ TZUBA, Israel (AP) - Archaeologists said Monday they have found a cave where they believe John the Baptist anointed many of his disciples - a huge cistern with 28 steps leading to an underground pool of water.

During an exclusive tour of the cave by The Associated Press, archaeologists presented wall carvings they said tell the story of the fiery New Testament preacher, as well as a stone they believe was used for ceremonial foot washing.

They also pulled about 250,000 pottery shards from the cave, the apparent remnants of small water jugs used in baptismal ritual.

"John the Baptist, who was just a figure from the Gospels, now comes to life," said British
archaeologist Shimon Gibson, who supervised the dig outside Jerusalem.

However, others said there was no proof that John the Baptist ever set foot in the cave, about 2 1/2 miles from Ein Kerem, the preacher's hometown and now part of Jerusalem.

"Unfortunately, we didn't find any inscriptions," said James Tabor, a religious studies professor at
the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

Tabor and his students have participated in the excavations.

Both Tabor and Gibson said it was very likely that the wall carvings, including one showing a man with a staff and wearing animal skin, told the story of John the Baptist. The carvings stem from the Byzantine period and apparently were made by monks in the fourth or fifth century.

Gibson said he believed the monks commemorated John at a site linked to him by local tradition.

Gibson said the carvings, the foot washing stone and other finds, taken together with the proximity
of John's hometown, constituted strong circumstantial evidence that the cave was used by John.

John, a contemporary of Jesus who also preached a message of redemption, is one of the most important figures in Christianity. The discovery, if confirmed, would be among the most significant breakthroughs for biblical scholars in memory.

The cave is on the property of Kibbutz Tzuba, an Israeli communal farm just outside Jerusalem. A
member of the kibbutz, Reuven Kalifon, knew of the cave's existence - the community's nectarine
orchards run right up to the mouth of the cave - but it was filled with soil almost to the ceiling.

In 1999, Kalifon asked Gibson to inspect the cave more closely.

The archaeologist, who has excavated in the Holy Land for three decades, crawled through the small opening and began removing boulders near the wall of the cave. When he pushed aside one of the stones, he saw a head carved into the wall - the top of the figure he believes depicts John.

Gibson, who heads the Jerusalem Archaeological Field Unit, a private research group, organized an excavation. During the five-year project, he wrote a book, entitled "The Cave of John the Baptist," to be published later this week.

Gibson said the cave - 24 yards long, around four yards wide and four yards deep - was carved in the Iron Age, somewhere between 800 and 500 B.C., by the Israelites who apparently used it as an immersion pool.

"It apparently was adopted by John the Baptist, who wanted a place where he could bring people to undergo their rituals, pertaining to his ideas of baptism," Gibson said.

Believers would have walked down 28 stone steps. To their right, they would have discarded their clothes in a niche carved into the wall.

At the bottom of the steps, they would have placed the right foot onto a stone with an imprint of a
foot. A small depression to the right of the imprint would have contained oil, to be poured over the foot for cleansing, Gibson said.





usahog Offline
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RIck, now you have posted something worth the reading here...

Interesting.. Thanks

Hog
428cj Offline
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First off ^^. Well said Hog.


It would be fascinating to be there to see such sites. Looking into our past is quite interesting.
snowwolf777 Offline
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That would be a thrill to see. To retrace the steps of one of the greater men to ever grace this planet. Thank-you for the story, RICKAMAVEN.
eleltea Offline
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Interesting. Thanks.
rayder1 Offline
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I always understood that John baptized in rivers and other running water. Understand that cisterns are used for drinking water.

Here's some references to john's baptismal sites:

(BTW...I'm Jewish...so I really don't have much spiritual stake in this...but it's great history)

" During that time , Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by john. " (Mark 1:9)

- Antoninus Martyr 560 AD: an early pilgrim who mentions this place, states that is was east of Jordan and two miles from the river. There is a small spring "Ain el-Kharrar" to the east of the river beside the low hill.

- Piacenza 570 AD mentioned: We arrived at the place where the lord was pabtized. This is the place were Elijah was taken up. In that place is the little hill of Hermon … and the spring where st. John used to baptize.

- Arculf 670 AD: he (saw a mall clear spring in the desert from which people say that saint John Baptist used to drink. Its stone roof is covered with lime plaster).

- Epiphanius the monk 675 AD: refers to "John the Baptist cave which is about a mile and contained a spring".

- Abbot Danial 1107 AD says: (Not far from the river a couple of bow-shots to the east, a beautiful stream of water, which is flows over pebbles into the Jordan is found here the water is very sweet and very cold and it was drunk by John the forerunner of Christ when he inhabited this sacred cavern).

- According to John phocas (1185 Ad) description: (Beyond the Jordan, opposite to the place our lords baptisim … is the grotto of John the Baptist).
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