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A Challenge to John F. Kerry - Open Your Records
Double D Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 08-20-2003
Posts: 2,819
There is obviously a dispute about his military record. You have over 200 fellow vets claiming he is a liar, and you have 1 vet that supports him.

I say it is time for him to open his records to prove that he is the military hero that he claims to be.

After all, it is John Kerry who has made his military service an issue.

Why does he continue to keep these records private, if they can show that his heroism is true?

The media has scoured GWs military records, but no outrage is expressed by the mainstream media over Kerrys continued refusal to set the record straight!!

Old Mr. Flip-Flop Must have something to hide, don't you think?

DD


JonR Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Double D:

I agree with you 100%.

The intelligent thing for kerry to do is open "all" his military and senate records to disprove all those who accuse him of lying about said records.

However no one ever accused kerry of being intelligent.

JonR

Ps: I just had a horrible thought, what if he is lying about his records, by not opening them does that make him intelligent or maybe just the bull**** artist that he is.
xibbumbero Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
Now if dubya would produce his TANG records that mysteriously disappeared,that would be something,LOL. X
Cavallo Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
lol what x said!

the only mil records kerry hasn't released are medical. at least kerry can prove that he was where he said he was. no one can scrounge up a single witness to say "yeah, bush served."
Homebrew Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
Posts: 11,885
Gotta Agree with Cavallo and X. Kerrys records, except for medical, have been released. So this is just another right wing red herring.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
eleltea Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
According to one source, British fugitives in the 1800s would rub a herring across their trail, thereby diverting the bloodhounds that were hot in pursuit. In the 1920s, American investment bankers started calling preliminary prospectuses "red herrings" as a warning to investors that the documents were not complete or final and could be misleading.

The Word Detective explains that the curing process turns the fish a red color and lends it a distinctive smell. The fish was tied to a string and dragged through the woods to teach hunting dogs to follow a trail. Later, red herrings may also have been used to confuse the hounds in order to prolong a foxhunt or to test their ability to stay with a scent.

Another handy etymology source, Wilton's Word and Phrase Origins offers a similar explanation, but attributes the use of the herring to poachers, who used the scent to throw the dogs off the trail of game so they could claim the prize for themselves.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,590
VIETNAM INSERTED INTO CAMPAIGN

SPEAKER: Mr. KERRY

[*S2479] Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I also rise today -- and I want to say that I rise reluctantly, but I rise feeling driven by personal reasons of necessity -- to express my very deep disappointment over yesterday's turn of events in the Democratic primary in Georgia.

I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.

What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.

What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.

What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.

What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a Presidential primary.

The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam, not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.

We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?

Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam?

Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their rights and recognition.

But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.

I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.

We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country.

I thank our distinguished manager of the bill and the Senator from Delaware.





Somebody want to tell me WHY Vietnam is his hallmark, his defining moment, his end all-be all when he's stated that it has no place in a race for the Presidency? C'mon, even supporters of this guy gotta wonder why Vietnam and not one of his non-described plans are his plank to the White House.
usahog Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Hell.. he even brings up the civil war in his letter to the President...

"Are we now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?"

and if this was done during/after vietnam... consider these brothers and fathers not so upset accept by the words coming out of John the Bab Tist mouth in 1971 Senate floor....

Hog
Double D Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 08-20-2003
Posts: 2,819
It's the medical records that will corroborate or refute his alleged war wounds and purple heart medals.

Kerry wants it both ways...he'll portray himself as a "war-hero" when the issue is his competency to be commander and chief.

Then he'll talk out of the other side of his mouth to appease the gays, tree-huggers, environmentalist wacko constituency in his party, and falsely rip the military and his fellow soldiers for committing war atrocities.

Even Bob Dole is demandig today that Mr. Flip-Flop release all of his records, questioning his ...

Here is a great quote from Senator Dole, which makes my point...

"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.' Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040822/D84KIAL00.html

Kerry's hypocritical stance is typical of this flip-flopping, ultra-leftist, tax-raising Northeastern socialist, who claims to be for the "common man".

Give me a break!!

DD


CWFoster Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 12-12-2003
Posts: 5,414
Can we PLEASE stop rehashing thirty yer old non-issues? What's his voting record for the past twenty years? I know! And if we keep rehashing the SOS, we're plkaying into the Democrats hands, take the campaign to the issues of leadership, and Kerry will fall flat on his face! He's just a liberal fringer who votes to the left of Ted Kennedy!
xibbumbero Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
It was Clinton's fault,LMFAO. X
pabloescabar Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 02-25-2005
Posts: 30,183
dude, you know damn well it was clinton's fault!
xibbumbero Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
LMAO. X
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