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AVB Offline
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040908/ts_nm/campaign_bush_vietnam_dc_3

BOSTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) fell short of meeting his military obligations during the Vietnam War and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required training drills, The Boston Globe said on Wednesday.

In a probe of the president's service in the Texas Air National Guard, the newspaper said Bush appeared to have broken his contract with the U.S. government by not joining an Air Force Reserve unit when he moved to Massachusetts from Texas in mid-1973.

The military records of Bush and of his Democratic opponent John Kerry (news - web sites), who was decorated for service in Vietnam, have featured prominently in the campaign for the presidential election on Nov. 2.

Republicans have made Bush's leadership of what he calls a global war on terrorism central to his campaign.

In February, the White House released hundreds of pages of Bush's military records that showed he was absent for long periods of his final two years of National Guard duty but said nonetheless he met service requirements.

However, the Globe focused on documents Bush signed in 1968 and 1973 in which he pledged to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty.

The Globe said in July 1973, before Bush left Houston to attend Harvard Business School, he signed a document saying: "It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... "

Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post in 1999 that the future president had served at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after leaving Houston. But Bush never joined a Boston-area unit, the Globe said.

"I must have misspoke," Bartlett, now White House communications director, was quoted as telling the Globe in a recent interview.

"HONORABLE DISCHARGE"

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, responding to the Globe report on Wednesday, said, "The president was honored to serve his country. He met his obligations, and was honorably discharged."

The Globe also looked at a 1968 pledge by Bush in which he committed to "satisfactory participation" in Guard training.

But the newspaper said he performed no service over a six-month period in 1972 and nearly a three-month stretch in 1973 -- erratic attendance that could have prompted his superiors to discipline him or order him to active duty in 1972, 1973 or 1974.

Instead, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been "satisfactory," the Globe said.

The National Guard and reserves, rarely called up during the Vietnam War, came to be regarded as "draft havens for relatively affluent young white men," the Air National Guard says in a history on its Internet site.

Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, a Democrat, is scheduled to appear on CBS' "60 Minutes" on Wednesday night to discuss how he helped Bush get into the Guard in 1968, the network said.

In a videotaped speech recently posted on the Internet, Barnes told an Austin, Texas political rally: "I got a young man named George W. Bush into the National Guard when I was lieutenant governor of Texas and I'm not necessarily proud of that ... I thought that's what people should do when you're in office: You help rich people."

The Pentagon (news - web sites) on Tuesday released 17 pages of what it called newly found records that showed Bush flew 336 hours in a fighter jet, most recently in April 1972, and ranked 22nd out of 53 pilots when he finished flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.

The pages did not resolve the dispute over whether Bush completed the service as required.

Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the details about Bush's service undermined his credibility. "These new documents show that the president did not serve honorably," McAuliffe said, accusing Bush of either lying about his record or suffering "some kind of severe memory loss."

A pro-Kerry group, Texans for Truth, plans to run television commercials this week questioning Bush's Guard attendance. A group backing Bush, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has said in its own commercials that Kerry lied about his Vietnam war record.
CWFoster Offline
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Once again, (and I HOPE for the lsat time) Who CARES about thirty year old non-issues? If Bush did or did not "serve honorably, Kerry CERTAINLY violated the Code of Conduct in his collaboration with the North Vietnamese after his return! What has Bush done since being elected Governor of Texas (12 years of track record) vs Kerry (twenty years of track record, just in the Senate) looking at these facts, I CANT support Kerry!
AVB Offline
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Bush was governor of Texas from January 17, 1995 -
December 21, 2000 a period of not quite 6 years not the 12 you stated.
Charlie Offline
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I believe he means from the time Bush was elected Governor to date!

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AVB Offline
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Could be, but even that isn't 10 years yet.
uncleb Offline
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come on now, don't let facts get in the way. They just clutter everything up.
cigarsmokin Offline
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Lets take away both canidates millitary background lets act like it never happened. Who is the best canidate for the job?

cigarsmokin
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Cavallo Offline
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it's all a vast left-wing conspiracy to get at the truth! ;)
bassdude Offline
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If the left wing cared about the truth they would have never nominated Kerry.
CWFoster Offline
#10 Posted:
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If Kerry cared about the truth, he'd run on his Senate record, and not a four month tour from thirty years ago! That was more bogus than anything they're trying to muck-rake at Bush!
Cavallo Offline
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fair enough, clive. i'll expect to see all the pot shots at kerry's 'nam record from the rightwingers here stop then. ;)
Cavallo Offline
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(PS -- clive, didn't mean that personally at all, btw)
grond Offline
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You know the real difference here is that GWB has never claimed to have been a great military man. He served his tour of duty and was honorly discharged. I know several reservists who didn't always show up for their regular meetings because of this or that.

The problem for Kerry is that he has touted his heroism, his medals, his leadership under fire in Vietnam and that makes these issues... issues.

It is also very interesting that we aren't hearing from Kerry anything about his virulent and rabid attack on his fellow Vietnam Vets before Congress in 1971. His strongest statement on the issue is "I was a little over the top." instead of simply stating that what he did was wrong. I find it interesting the Jane Fonda has apologized to the Veterans for the damage she did to them; yet, JK has never admitted an error in judgement.

Cheers,

grond
Cavallo Offline
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well, seems like bush DIDN'T complete his obligations, if the globe article holds any water.

his flight suit photo op stunt didn't sit well with a lot of vets.

bush's military past IS touted -- when and as it suits him. literally suits him. that IS "flaunting it."

personally, i think both of them need to get the hell out of the past and talk about TODAY and TOMORROW. but i think both kerry and bush have "used" their military careers -- kerry to look like a fit CNC and "tougher" guy now; bush then to get out of 'nam, bush more recently with the flight suit photo op.
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