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Beyond the "Liberal media" myth.
Thom Offline
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Wow. Check out this huge study. If you want to skip the majority, under the contents section click on: IV. Conclusion: Beyond the "Liberal Media" Myth.

Very interesting indeed.
Thom Offline
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whoops. forgot the link

http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html#conclusion
bassdude Offline
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this is 6 years old.

Also it asks them to rate themselves on their political orientation, what definition did they use. I do not have much faith in any polls.

22. On economic issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?
11% Left
64% Center
19% Right
5% Other

23. On social issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?
30% Left
57% Center
9% Right
5% Other

Thom Offline
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Bassdude,

What difference does it make if this study is 6 years old or not? Hasn't there been rhetoric about liberal media for longer than that?

If someone asked you if you were left, right, or center on a certain issue, wouldn't you know where you stand?
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Most folks don't consider themselves extremists (far right or far left). And in reality few people agree with the stance of their political party on every issue. They like to believe they are part of the center because to state otherwise would impune their objectivity.


As our most recent election has shown, our country is fairly evenly split on the national level (presidential race). Why should the media folks be any different from the general population?
Thom Offline
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Thank you pentz8. My point exactly.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bushie thinks he is kompashonat
JonR Offline
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And kerry thinks he is human.

JonR
Herr Rabbit Offline
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And ricky thinks he is brilliant.
Thom Offline
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Please quit bashing and stick to the topic, or don't post at all. Thank you.
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Six years ago, and more, I refused to vote because I couldn't stand politicians. What's more, I had been an ignorant democrat for much of my life. I thought Bush was a cowboy, Gore was a clown, and couldn't stand O'Reilly, least of all Limbaugh. After 9/11, I started using my brain and thinking for myself. And, God forbid, listening to Michael Reagan, Neil Bortz, O'Reilly, Hannity, and yes, even Rush, instead of so much liberal media. When Bush showed his balls of steel and flew to BagDad, that clinched it. I am now registered Republican, and will vote in my first national election in over 20 years. Amazing what happens when you grow up, six years makes a difference.
Thom Offline
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Thank you for that divulsion, niteorday. You do know, however, that the places you mentioned where you gather your information, are "far right" media?
Charlie Offline
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If you consider O'Reilly far right, then you just discredited yourself!
Hannity is far right as is Rush Limbaugh, but O'Reilly is not, and I favor O'Reilly and Chris Matthews for two reliable sources. Russert is a good political analyst and the worst of all is Dan Rather, so far to the left he surpasses most of the others!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
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If you consider O'Reilly far right, then you just discredited yourself!
Hannity is far right as is Rush Limbaugh, but O'Reilly is not, and I favor O'Reilly and Chris Matthews for two reliable sources. Russert is a good political analyst and the worst of all is Dan Rather, so far to the left he surpasses most of the others!

Charlie
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But of course, thank you for your indulgence. I am quite familiar with "the news". My wife produced evening news at several network affiliates, including Orlando, New Haven, and Chicago, for eleven years. I am well schooled in its production, and thank God I can tell the difference from "entertainment".
Thom Offline
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Charlie,

Thank you too for validating my point.
Thom Offline
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Niteorday,

Thank you for your replies. You have less rhetoric than others and it's refreshing.

I too have produced many news programs, but would you agree that the line between news and entertainment are constantly becomeing less defined?

You're last reply reminded me of a lesson I learned in college during a Psychology of Media class. Something to the effect;

"Even though you are aware of what a message trying to sell you, it doesn't mean you are not effected by it."

That makes me ponder, even today.
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The shift to entertainment is what drove my wife from the business. It was unfortunate, but inevitable. Critical thinkers are the true minority today, and this plays well for the "the news".
EI Offline
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Niteorday... exactly..... why the hell do I turn on my local TV news just to hear who was voted off the island on Survivor. Thats not news thats a promo spot for the networks
Thom Offline
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EI, I think you bring up a good point about the mix of news and promotion. To expound on that idea, I'm not sure I like that sitcoms, et. al., may some day do away with commercials and go straight to product placement and a brief sentence from the actor about the product *cringe!*.

To bring the point back around, why does it seem so, that those who believe the media to be liberal glom on to media that is blatanly conservative?
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I'm searching for the truth, no spin please, don't care if it's called lib or con, just the truth. These days the pendulum has swung, they did a fine job on Watergate, but that was then and this is now. I've been on both sides.
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News

I've looked at news from both sides now,
From win and lose, and still somehow
It's news illusions i recall.
I really don't know news at all.

JonR

niteorday Offline
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Schweeet dude !
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Herr Rabbit

in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
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This just in...

Statistical Analysis of Media Headlines Confirms Media Bias Against Republicans!
Quantifying Bias

Members of both parties are forever accusing the media of bias -- toward the opposite side. A proliferation of web logs has joined media watchdog groups, such as Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting and the Media Research Center, purporting to document media bias, both liberal and conservative. All of them are subjective in their analysis.

Hassett and Lott set out to perform a systematic, statistical study of the issue of bias as it relates to economic coverage. They examined media coverage of four economic data series -- gross domestic product, employment, durable goods orders and retail sales -- from 1991 to 2004. They looked at the headlines from all 389 newspapers in the Lexis/Nexis database that directly or indirectly allude to the economic data released that day or the day before.

The economists chose headlines because they ``create the strongest image of the news in readers' minds'' and are easy to classify as positive, negative or neutral.

Democratic Preferences

Most importantly, Hassett and Lott had to account for the different performance of the economy under George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. To do that, they used regression analysis to control for the economic data, which means they removed the difference in coverage that could be explained by the difference in the economic data.

What the authors found was ``a much higher probability that something will be called bad news if there's a Republican in the White House, and it's statistically significant,'' said Hassett, who is AEI's director of economic policy studies.

The study found that overall ``Republicans receive between 9.6 and 14.7 percentage points less positive coverage than the Democrats,'' with coverage of some indicators (GDP growth) showing a greater and more consistent bias than others (retail sales).

The same reported change in quarterly GDP growth, for example, that generated 44 percent positive headlines under Clinton produced only 28 percent under Republicans, Hassett said.


AVB Offline
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In terms of the GDP, how good was the news under either Bush compared to Clinton? For GW the GDP is flat or down from when he took office so that is almost 3 years when there wouldn't be good news to report. For GHB, he faced a small recession so the news couldn't be that good either.

I'm missing how a reasonable analysis could be made under such different conditions. It will be interesting to see what type of regression analysis they used. Multivariate, linear, polynomial, exponential, logistic, or general nonlinear.
Thom Offline
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00camper,
That is a very interesting study. I wonder if the way in which the different presidents deliver their messages effets how the media might be more positive or negative spin on the subject matter as well?

AVB,

I'm not sure what all that means, but if it would help in this discussion, then I'm all for know that stuff too. :)
Charlie Offline
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The thing that frosts me about local newscast, and I live in LA area with top network affilitates, is the trend to break in on a TV show and say "blah blah blah and watch the news at 1100PM for the story on "whatever innane thing they broke in for"! If it is important why not interrupt the program and give the facts, no they are going for ratings!

Charlie
bassdude Offline
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We all view things based on our personal biases.

No matter what a poll reveals I find it hard to believe that if you watch CBS, NBC or ABC that you do not see a liberal bias. The same with Fox for the conservatives. Can you really not see it?

6 Years is a long time and things change. So to me that makes a large difference.

Now as stated before people see themselves as more central. How do you know what these people consider to be left or right vs centrist?

let's take 3 of my co-workers,Sam, Bill and Jeff. I will tell you where they stand on a few issues. You tell me where they fall and then I will tell you where they think they fall.

Sam
pro-choice
for legalizing weed
thinks we need to do more for the environment
wants more tax breaks for middle/lower class
health care is a right

Bill
pro-life
health care is earned
wants more tax breaks for middle/lower class
get rid of welfare
give up some environment to produce our own oil

Jeff
pro-choice
health care is earned
thinks we need to do more for the environment
get rid of welfare
wants more tax breaks for middle/lower class

Thom Offline
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Bassdude,

As always I appreciate your opinion, you are obviously a man of intellect. But I will not fall prey to this bate. Where they fall is up to them, not me, as the study I've sited did also.

To be honest I stopped watching network news years ago.

Come to think of it I think it was about 6 years ago. j/k :)

bassdude Offline
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I disagree that where they fall is up to them. I do understand that there are degrees of left and right and that you can be left on one issue and right on another.

Smart move BTW.
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And if it is up to them then this poll is invalid.
Thom Offline
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Why do you disagree that where they fall is up to them? Maybe I'm not getting your point.

Oh, thanks. I wrote a huge rebuttal, and then thought wait a second...
AVB Offline
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If Jeff was for legalizing weed too I'd vote for him!

Jeff
pro-choice
health care is earned
thinks we need to do more for the environment
get rid of welfare
wants more tax breaks for middle/lower class
bassdude Offline
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I say that because I can be left in all my beliefs and still consider myself to be 'centered'. The same applies to the right. By definition I can be either and consider myself to be neither. They should have been pegged based on a survey. Of course they can lie on the survey.

Thom Offline
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So, you see then that this is as good of a study on this subject as you can get?
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Thom wrote:" I too have produced many news programs"

Really...for whom...where?

I gather from your take on things that you were a true spin doctor.
bassdude Offline
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Hey AVB - I see you are a conservative who just does not like Bush. So who works for you in this election.

Those actually are the beliefs of 3 of my co-workers. I had wanted Thom to tell me if they were left, right or center. Then I would have told him where they believe they are illustrating why this poll is flawed.
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The media is in the "center".
Yeah, right...

That's why CBS's most prestigious "news" program, 60 Minutes, aired Dan Rather's blatant lies regarding the sitting presidents national guard duty.
The same Dan Rather who showed more respect to Sadam on the eve of war.
And the same news program that has yet to air one episode in regards to the Vietnam Vets Against Kerry.

What's the differnce between Rush, Hannity, and the mainstream media? They openly admit their political persuasions so you can digest their opinions appropriately.
Thom Offline
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Rayder1,

Wow. Me, a spindoctor. I'm not sure if I should feel insulted or praised. But I never made it passed small market stuff. KXLE radio AM/FM, KYVE TV, KNDO TV. In these places there's no time for spinning stuff, my main concern was making sure we had enough content and the Joe Shmoe got his freaking story edited in time for air.

It really lost it's fun, when the PD (Program Director) told me to run a peice of news again because it got better ratings. That makes me cringe just typing it. Ugh...
Thom Offline
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Bassdude,

Your point about this study is not lost on me.
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Thom,

Cool enough. Actually a spin doctor is mostly applied to PR people who put a spin on a story to get their abgle across. Sometimes an editor or producer get to spin a story to make it better for ratings. If your audience is Rush Limbaugh types...you spin it to fit the audience profile....not always accurate reporting but it gets attention.
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I believe ALL extremists should be shot!....lol
Thom Offline
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Indeed.
Herr Rabbit Offline
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Well, now that the assault weapons ban is lifted, it will get a lot easier to "re-educate" the extremists.
I better go enjoy my last smoke.
AVB Offline
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bassdude,

Sorry for the late reply, I didn't check back on this thread until now.

I am an Independent with some conservative and liberal views. I have always been an Independent and am not a disillusioned Democrat or Republican that changed. My personal feeling is that Bush is bad for the country but Cheney, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft are probably worse.
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"I believe ALL extremists should be shot!....lol "


Thats a little extreme isn't it Ducati LOL
But I like your thinking
EI Offline
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so shoot me
ducati996 Offline
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EI....that was the joke...lol.
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