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Voter supression
Thom Offline
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By BOB HERBERT

More than 80 percent of the population of Detroit is black. This is very well understood by John Pappageorge, who is white and a Republican state legislator in Michigan. "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote," said Mr. Pappageorge, "we're going to have a tough time in this election."

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Oops! Republicans aren't supposed to actually say they want to suppress black votes. That's so retro. It's so Jim Crow. This is the 21st century, and the thing now is to do the dastardly deed, but never ever acknowledge it.

That's where our friend Pappageorge went wrong.

After his startling quote was published several weeks ago in The Detroit Free Press, Mr. Pappageorge, who is 73, apologized and said he certainly never meant to suggest that anything racist or illegal take place. But he reiterated to me in a phone conversation last Friday that he did indeed mean that the vote in Detroit needed to be kept down.

A lot of other Republicans have similar views about the vote in areas with large African-American populations. Most blacks vote Democratic. If those votes can be suppressed, Republicans benefit. And there is increasing evidence that a big effort to suppress the vote among blacks and some other heavily Democratic voting groups is under way, which is why it is important to keep the following phone number handy:

1-866-OUR VOTE.

That's a hot line set up by the Election Protection Coalition, a group that was formed to identify and stamp out attempts to disenfranchise voters, especially in predominantly black and Latino precincts around the country.

On Election Day in November, the coalition expects to have as many as 25,000 volunteers, including 5,000 lawyers, available to provide assistance to voters who encounter irregularities or feel they are not being treated fairly at the polls. Voters who call the hot line will immediately be put in touch with volunteers in their local area.

The coalition is also urging people to call the hot line now if they are aware of efforts to discourage or prevent people from voting.

Among the groups included in the Election Protection Coalition are the People for the American Way Foundation, the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the League of Women Voters, the N.A.A.C.P., the American Civil Liberties Union and the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington.

The attempt to prevent blacks from voting has been a staple of America's political history, like long-winded speeches and balloons. I wrote three columns last month about a situation in Orlando, Fla., in which armed state police officers went into the homes of elderly black voters to question them as part of a so-called criminal investigation involving absentee ballots. This tactic sent a definite chill through voters who were old enough to remember the torment inflicted on Southern blacks who tried to vote in the 1950's and 60's.

A new study by the People for the American Way Foundation and the N.A.A.C.P. describes many recent examples of voter harassment and intimidation - the latest entries in the long and sordid history of disenfranchisement in the U.S. The study, called "The Long Shadow of Jim Crow," noted:

"Voter intimidation and suppression efforts have not been limited to a single party, but have in fact shifted over time as voting allegiances have shifted. In recent decades, African-American voters have largely been loyal to the Democratic Party, resulting in the prevalence of Republican efforts to suppress minority turnout."

In Texas, students at the predominantly black Prairie View A&M University were threatened with arrest by the local district attorney, a Republican, who suggested they were not eligible to vote in the county in which the school was located. This was nonsense. Students can vote in their college towns if they designate the campus as their home address. The whole point, of course, was intimidation. The threat of arrest is an excellent way of deterring someone from voting.

There are endless stories of attempts to discourage blacks from voting. Few get substantial publicity, so this is not seen as a big national problem. It deserves a brighter spotlight. When duly registered blacks are improperly challenged at the polls, or Florida tries to use a patently discriminatory voter felons list, or black votes are criminally tampered with or simply not counted at all - something should be done.

The number to call is 1-866-OUR VOTE.
grond Offline
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The last voter suppression I witnessed was Al Gore seeking to prevent serving armed forces personnel form having their vote counted, in which he was successful. This was the biggest mistake the Dems made in the last election because the military people will not make the same mistake again. Their votes will be in on time this election and guess who most of them are voting for.....

Cheers,

grond
Thom Offline
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Grond, oh man. Please don't go to the 2000 election. That whole thing was an ugly mess for all americans and I'd rather try to work on a better 2004 election where everyone's vote counts and no one feels intimidated to mark their ballot. I think that we can all agree on that.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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grond

WRONG!!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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as i was saying before the post message jumped up, military votes dated after the election date were counted to insure a heavy republican vote for quasimoto, who, if you don't recall, was elected as the first king of fools.

sorry thom for interrupting
grond Offline
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Right and Wrong,

From the ruling made by Judge Lacey Collier:
"In a victory for Republican George W. Bush, a U.S. district judge yesterday ordered all Florida counties to reexamine discarded military absentee ballots and to count them in final vote totals if they were properly signed and dated..."

...Collier also rejected a Bush campaign request to declare more than 600 overseas ballots -- most from military personnel -- valid because they were undated.

"Because Florida accepts overseas absentee ballots beyond election day, it must provide a way to assess that the vote was timely cast," explained Collier..."

The entire ruling can be read here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/documents/20001209_xnjdo.pdf

usahog Offline
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Boy almost 2 hrs have past and no response...

Hog
EI Offline
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he must be tending his flock
Thom Offline
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You guys expect a response for everything you bring up when you can't give a proper answer to the original post. So, your response to how Republicans are using voter intimidation and supression, going on right now, is to counter by saying Democrats did it back in 2000 to the military??! What kind of a straw man argument is this? Did any of you even read the article? It's about African American voter supression and has nothing to do with the military. Go jack your own thread, with pack mentality.
usahog Offline
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what response for this post would you like Thom?

It's a crock of Crap??

Have you ever gone out door to door getting people signed up to vote?? and if so have you ventured to the black neighborhoods to do so?

I have, and the biggest trouble you have is most of them never bother to vote... it is not just the black community though... it is also the younger generation groups also... between 18-24 whites or blacks their not interested in Politics... most of them cannot even tell you who the VP is...

this voter supression BS is drummed up by the Democratic Machine and is a crock of crap...

and it is the Dems who would like to see the Absentee ballots tossed out as was relevent in the 2000 campaign...

Florida Snowbirds Dems..more then half vote both States

Now lets check the voting records for Snowbirds in Arizona and other states these Snowbirds flock to...
the minimal that should be done is restrict their rights to vote PERIOD... there are fines for this also... but will anything be done.. probably not one damn thing...

so what type response are you looking for??

Hog
EI Offline
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he will accept nothing less than total agreement to his way of thinking.
Walk lock step side by side with him at the million man march carrying a rainbow flag and a sign proclaiming the need to save the spotted owl and snail darter.
Then you will garner his approval but not his blessing, because that would show a belief in a supreme being
Thom Offline
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Did I mention that I wanted a response? But that is the response I expected. Proof of your narrow mindedness, and not coming straight out and deploring voter supression and intimidation wherever it occurs. Am I to gather, that what you are saying is, that it doesn't matter if their votes are supressed because particular groups don't vote anyway? I suppose that, if what I had posted came from newsmax.com it would have more credence for you? Is everything that is anti-republican untrue?

EI - Same as you?
usahog Offline
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No your not to imply that " not coming straight out and deploring voter supression and intimidation wherever it occurs." and "that it doesn't matter if their votes are supressed because particular groups don't vote anyway?"

Thom Your an Idiot... and it shows in all your posts...

I respond to your post as it is written to catch your blather attacts on my accounts on this issue?? Ha..

Hog

btw I got your "narrow mindedness," Swinging ;0)
Thom Offline
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Hmmm, you say that I'm an idiot, but you have used "your" incorrectly twice in the same post.

usahog Offline
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LMAO... now your turning your own thead into a grammer lesson?? but just got finished b!tching at us for threadjacking... AMAZING!!!! ;0)

Hog
Thom Offline
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So, I'm supposed to sit here and let you call me an idiot and not defend myself? While you still can't use common language skills? AMAZING!!!! ;0) LMAO!!!!! at you.

Have seen Mars on the horizon lately? It's truly amazing. ;)
HockeyDad Offline
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Here is a response from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/alerts/attach/NYTimesOrlando_Detailed.pdf

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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usahog

"this voter supression BS is drummed up by the Democratic Machine and is a crock of crap..."

no it isn't.

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Thom

correcting grammer, spelling, or punctuation is a no no on the boards. it's not fair and it diverts the messages.
usahog Offline
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Thom, I obviously get my point across ;0)

Rick, glad to see your posting again... I'm bord with debating with idiots... LMAO!!!!

"no it isn't." where's your logic in this statement?

Hog
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HockeyDad

"http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/alerts/attach/NYTimesOrlando_Detailed.pdf"

he is correct. the voter supression was done by kathleen harris, formerly the big muckedy muck of the voting machinery.

usahog Offline
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Thanks for the Link HockeyDad!!!

Interesting...

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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i wanted to use the adjective that describes this type of woman, but while modesty doesn't prevent me, i don't want my post removed.
usahog Offline
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"i wanted to use the adjective that describes this type of woman, but while modesty doesn't prevent me, i don't want my post removed."

Take Cover Rick... this is threadjacking and your about to catch hell for it LMAO!!!!

Hog
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Rick,

I believe the adjective you are looking for to describe this type of woman is: "Representative"

...As in US Representative Katherine Harris, 13th district of Florida.

http://harris.house.gov/


(I know, there went your last raw nerve!)
usahog Offline
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How Bout Voter Fraud??

Hillary Aids Florida's Betty Castor
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/16/93228.shtml

Of the 46,000 registered in both states, the News reported that 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent didn't claim a party.

usahog Offline
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Here's the rest of the paragraphs that accompany the above article...

According to the New York Daily News, 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both New York city and Florida.

As the News pointed out, registering in two places is illegal in both states.

The finding, the News noted, is even more stunning given the pivotal role Florida played in the 2000 presidential election, when a margin of 537 votes tipped Florida's electoral votes, and victory, to George W. Bush.

Of the 46,000 registered in both states, the News reported that 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent didn't claim a party.

Hog
Thom Offline
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Awful. Voter fraud, supression, what have you, by whomever, just makes me angry.

I'm reminded of the movie "The Streets of New York" when they have the election and one of the thugs grabs a guy and tells him he needs to go vote, and the guy says I've already voted 3 times. The thug responds, well, you're going to vote again.
Thom Offline
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BTW,

I decided to find out for myself and called the 1-866-our-vote and asked them about their organization. The woman on the phone was very pleasant; she says that they are non-partisan, and that their philosophy is, if you vote it should count.

If you are not sure if you are able to vote wherever you live, give them a call and they'll help you get registered, if needed, or even help you find a polling place. College students who are not sure if they are able to vote where they are going to school can call as well, and they'll help you get the answers you need.
EI Offline
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"I'm reminded of the movie "The Streets of New York" when they have the election and one of the thugs grabs a guy and tells him he needs to go vote, and the guy says I've already voted 3 times. The thug responds, well, you're going to vote again."
Happens in Maryland all the time. Thats how they found Edgar Allen Poe in a back ally wearing clothes not his own. He was drugged and sent into several polling places to vote.
That and Greenmount cemetary has so many registered Democrats on the voter rolls that it qualifys as a congressional district
Thom Offline
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EI,

That's funny on kind of a scary level. You're kidding about Greenmount cemetary, right? You are kidding aren't you?
EI Offline
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Thom, why do you think Baltimore City always holds out one district and reports after all the other districts in MD have reported.
That's how Glendenning got elected the first time around. Sauerbrey the republican was in the lead then all of a sudden the last district in Baltimore city reported and . well whatta ya know Parris Glendenning claims victory
usahog Offline
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Happens all the time in Chicago... ask the Daily's LMAO!!!!

Hog
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That was how Kennedy defeated Nixon in the '50's. And Hizzonor the Mayo's son was Gores campaign manager! There was a woman from NY State, who was working for the Democrats in Michigan, and commented on national TV about how she got the idea to buy cigarettes and give them to homeless people to go vote Democratic. A woman called into a radio show in Richmond Va. saying an elderly friend of hers was given a ballot already punched for Gore (oops, sorry, honest mistake!) and another caller said a whole busload of people from a state home were registered and brought to the polls and given pre-filled-out ballots to sign!

Yes Thom, I agree! Suppression of black voters by the Republicans is evil! Voter fraud by the Democrats is evil! Kerry ALREADY looking into claiming a recount is evil, given that no votes have even yet been cast! Already getting ready to claim another "stolen election"? I think the reason Hog (don't meant to put words in your mouth bro, if I'm wrong, just say so) responded the way he did, was it gets old listening to the Liberal, Democratic interests moan and whine that the Republicans "stole the election" when if you factor in THEIR shenanigans, Bush had a clear and decisive victory! But we'll never know, will we! Because the people who benefit MOST from the 68/12% split wont move to open voter registration records in New York and Florida to punish those who double vote! Read the link Hog provided! Yes it's evil that some Republicans want to somehow suppress the black vote, but how come you or anybody else doesn't even seem to CARE about what the "other side" is doing? Isn't THAT also evil?
Thom Offline
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CWfoster,

I do care and it is evil.

Since I posted this I've done quite a bit of on-line research into voter supression, fraud, you name it, and we could go tit-for-tat with link after link about this subject. Every political party, a far back as you want to go, has been accused of or has been caught doing some type of voter shinanagins and it is completely deplorable.
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HockeyDad

i believe you can still use my adjective as in that representative **** kathleen harris.

a minor political reward for a job well done. she will be gone in the next election. i have a hemmingway signature that says so. what do you have?
HockeyDad Offline
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Here you go Rick:

http://www.schneider-for-congress.com/2004/index.html

http://electharris.org/

Just a few tidbits for you....

Katherine Harris is running against the same candidate that she beat two years ago. The political make-up of the district during the 2002 election was approximately 33% Democrat, 48% Republican, and 19% other.

I'll put an Arturo Fuente Anejo on Katherine Harris against your Hemingway Signature if you still wish to bet.

You can even make a cash donation to Schneider's campaign right from her website to try to help your cause!




usahog Offline
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LMAO!!!!!

Hog
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I am not going to suppress as many black votes this year as I did in 2000. Really, it's just too much hard work. Plus, it's a thankless job. Oh sure, Dubya called and thanked me last time, but did I get a call from Powell or Rice? Heck no.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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we are on. i have bookmarked this page and i'll let you know where to send my fuente after the election.
usahog Offline
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Damn... I want a peice of the action...


Rick, I don't care much about the Florida Election... now here in Illinois we got Keye's running against Obama... how bout a couple sticks on that one??? and to top the chart...

National Election I'll take Bush and you can have ABB or even Kerry for a lets say... Box of Premo's??? LMAO!!!!

Hog
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Oh and before I catch hell for not caring about the Florida election... Harris has that one hands down already... ;0)

Hog
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/17/125629.shtml

Friday, Sept. 17, 2004 12:51 a.m. EDT

McCain: Put Nader on Florida Ballot

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., urged the Florida Supreme Court to allow Ralph Nader's name on the state ballot after it hears an appeal Friday by the independent presidential candidate.

A state judge rejected Nader's efforts to be on the ballot as the candidate of the Reform Party, which the judge said is no longer a legitimate national party under state law. The state supreme court said it will issue a ruling shortly after hearing the appeal.

"I believe it would be a mistake to let a set of inequitable ballot rules keep a legitimate presidential candidate off the ballot," McCain said in a statement released Thursday night by The Reform Institute, a political and educational organization he chairs.

"These obstacles discourage public participation in elections by denying voters the right to vote for their preferred candidate. Keeping Nader off the ballot in the hope that his voters will be forced to support another candidate is patently unfair to those Floridians who, for whatever reason, have decided he's their man," McCain said.

Democrats have challenged efforts by Nader to be listed on the ballots in more than a dozen states.

Many blame Nader for Democrat Al Gore's loss to Republican George W. Bush in the 2000 election, especially in Florida, where Bush won by just 537 votes. Nader drew more than 97,000 votes in the state.

TALK ABOUT VOTER SUPRESSION!!!!!!!!

Hog
HockeyDad Offline
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This will be great. Now Rick can complain that Katherine Harris stole the election in 2000 and one of his fine cigars in 2004!

See you in November, Hemingway.
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....Back on the subject of vote suppression....

Notice whose lawyers want Nader off the ballot and why there must be a decision today....



Florida Supreme Court expected to rule on Nader's candidacy

The Associated Press
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The Florida Supreme Court is expected to rule late Friday on whether Ralph Nader will be on the state's November ballot as the Reform Party's presidential candidate.

During oral arguments before the court early Friday, the attorneys representing the state Democratic Party argued that the Reform Party is no longer a legitimate party under state law and his name should be stricken. Attorneys for the Reform Party say that it is.

The court is hurrying its decision because under state law, county elections supervisors are supposed to mail absentee ballots to about 25,000 overseas voters, most of them military personnel, by Saturday.
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I rest my case! Democrats wanting EVERY vote to count? from New York to Florida, how many times?
HockeyDad Offline
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In a crushing defeat to the vote suppression efforts of the Florida Democratic Party.....


Florida Supreme Court puts Nader on election ballot

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Ralph Nader is back on Florida's ballot - probably for good this time.

The Florida Supreme Court ruled 6-1 Friday that he can run as the Reform Party presidential candidate in the November election.

The decision met a Saturday deadline for mailing 25,000 ballots to overseas voters, most of them military personnel, and ended a dizzying two weeks during which Nader was on and off the ballot.

"This is a case that should have been thrown out of the courts sooner," said Nader campaign spokesman Kevin Zeese.

usahog Offline
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Not to Mention the 12 other States the Dems have fought to keep Nadar off the Ballots... but this isn't supression by any means...

it's going to be something to watch how Kerry and company do their acts to keep the Absentee Military Ballots from counting....

Hog
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usahog

it's not voter supression.

go home nadar, you've done your job. time to rest.
JonR Offline
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Yo Rick:

Why do you get so worked up over elections, when you don't vote?

JonR
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