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WHY I HATE LIBERALS
18delta Offline
#1 Posted:
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HERE'S A LIST OF TYPICAL LIBERAL VALUES
1) save the earth (God knew before he created the earth exactly how many trees, reserves of fossil fuels, etc. that we would need, yet, environmentalists insist on informing us that if we don't stop driving gas-powered autos that we will burn up...."and the elements shall burn with fervent heat".....sound familiar?)

2) save the whales ( god gave whales enough sense to know when it is time to die. so they beach themselves and in doing so, will ultimately give birds and other creatures something to eat. but these morons go down to the beach and try to drag the whales (usually to no avail) back into the water..........idiots!!!

3) save the eagles (the u.s. gvernment will fine you up to, i believe 250,000 dollars and jail you for up to 20 years for molesting in any way an eagle's egg)

4) save the trees (environmental activists, as they call themselves, will sometimes chain themselves to trees to "prevent" them from being made into paper, etc. i think a husquavarna with abou a 36 inch bar would change their minds rather quickly.

5) save the snail darter ( where i live, there is a small fish called the snail darter that, apparently, is found nowhere else in the world. therefore, forget about damming up the river and providing the people of alabama with electrical power, which is in shortage at this time).


all of these values are usually held dear by most liberals in the u.s. but the last of the values seems to be in contrast with all the others...........

6)kill the babies!!!!!!!!!!!!
S4_biturbo Offline
#2 Posted:
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1) save the earth (God knew before he created the earth exactly how many trees, reserves of fossil fuels, etc. that we would need, yet, environmentalists insist on informing us that if we don't stop driving gas-powered autos that we will burn up...."and the elements shall burn with fervent heat".....sound familiar?)

Did God tell you (or perhaps he told our blessed president) what we would need to subsist and therefore planned accordingly? Do you know the difference between religion and science/fact/truth?
18delta Offline
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it's true i am not educated in the field of "earth science", but at least i possess the common sense to look around me and know that two rocks did not collide and cause this existence that we know. that is, of course, unless you belong to one of the crackpot groups that sit around and ponder whether or not we really exist. if i tell you that "in the beginning, God created"......, you say i am some kind of brainwashed radical fudamentalists that isn't "educated enough" to understand the science behind our existence. but i tell you that if you believe that at "one point in the dateless past" all the matter in the universe exploded and created our galaxy (there is more solid proof for creationism than there ever was for evolution or any of the other ridiculous THEORIES proposed by the "authorities on the subject"), you, sir, are too educated to use basic reason and logic to determine what you believe. also, i would probably say that 4 or more years in any institution of "higher learning" is enough to make anyone an atheist. btw, God did not directly or audibly inform me of this, but i happen to believe a book that many of you people view as simply "prose"-The Holy Bible.

did you ever wonder why alot of kids educated in public systems act like total jack-asses? the schools they attend teach them that they are basically monkeys and i am sure that their parents, most of whom did too much lsd in the sixties and are still convinced somewhere deep inside that "the movement" is still alive, probably don't do much to alter that line of thinking. acting like jack-asses is just one step down from a monkey-monkeys walk upight for the most part while donkey's walk on all fours. ever wonder why the democrats use a donkey to symbolize their party?


to head off any sucker-punches-my parents too grew up in the early-mid sixties but did much to instill in me when i was young some values that i would hold all of my life-one of which was that i did not come from a monkey or some one-celled organism that washed up on a beach some where. so, i do not believe that everyone who attends (ed) public schools is a proponent of the theory of evolution, heretics, infidels, flea-ridden dogs, etc. nor do i believe that all parents influenced by the popular movements of the sixties are idiots.
donutboy2000 Offline
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Do not feed the troll.
CigarPrimate Offline
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Delta, we didn't evolve from monkeys, or from apes. We ARE apes man! hairless, talking ones. Now if you want to insure your place in the here after, best to go ahead and send me your sin sticks now. Not only will such an act of piety give you a leg up with the almighty, but you can count on the fact that immediately following the tribulation, me, Freud, and a bunch of Hells Angels are going to be smoking and drinking your stash anyway. Que viva vice!!
18delta Offline
#6 Posted:
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FYI primate,

your sticks are on the way, went out today. when i watch today's youth, i tend to agree with you.......a little........the apes thing, that is. won't it be hard to smoke those sticks during the tribulation? Isaiah 24-"the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard"........hmmmmmm..........will be an interesting site to see........from above. sin sticks on the way-enjoy. you might want to let those d.c.'s rest for awhile though. they tend to rebell when subjected to the road. yours went fed-ex so maybe the won't be too upset. if you need hemingways or other fuentes, e-mail me and i might be able to get them at a very reasonable price........a friend is my local. lmk.

wood
18delta Offline
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mommy, can rick come out to play?
18delta Offline
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rick,

if you don't believe the bible and consider it to be myth, can you answer the question as to why you liberals who don't need a God and are eternally self-sufficient have such obvious contrasts in your commonly held values?

what say you, o Godless one?

"the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"
"the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but fools despise wisdom and instruction"


oh, i forgot. rick, you dont't need anyone or thing but yourself, huh?

better think again.....one day it might be that the only one you can depend on is God. oops, i forgot again.
uncleb Offline
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Wow. The God I know would never teach hatred and intolerance. Hmmmm, must be a different God.
Charlie Offline
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Sorry, I do not hate the liberals, just feel sorry for them!

Charlie
18delta Offline
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uncleb,

psalm 11:5 reads "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."

i would say that those who perform abortions and/or support abortions "loveth violence". hmmmmmmm.

as far as intolerance goes, Christ himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the father, but by me".

do you have any idea exactly how narrow that is?

Christ also said in luke 12:51 "suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, NAY; BUT RATHER DIVISION:".

Arguably the most influential christian ever, Paul the apostle, stated in 2 cor 11:14 "And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light".

how's that for hate, intolerance, and another god????
uncleb Offline
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Delta,

I respect your views and your right to them.

Myself, I consider the bible to be a work of fiction loosely based on some actual events.

I believe the God I worship does not condone hate or intolerence. JMHO.
18delta Offline
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uncleb,

i respect your views as well and your right to them.
i simply cannot, as a matter of conviction, empathize with or bring myself to apperciate in any way those who would slaughter innocent babies as a means of birth control or simply for convenience' sake.

i cannot understand a group of people who value animal life and plant life so much but yet seem to have total disregard for the life of a fetus.
PMoreno349 Offline
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lmao @ donutboy

18delta, you can't be serious...

You should do the people of alabama a favor and stop perpetuating sterotypes.

your brand of fundamentalism is a kind of sickness... Tell me what differentiates your radical dogma from Islamic radicals... I hope you are not out sniping people at abortion clinics
gerilynnwood6680 Offline
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i'll stop perpetuating "alabama stereotypes" when you all (yall) stop perpetuating the typical limp-wristed save the whales-kill the babies stereotypes. which, by the way, i can find absolutely no justice in whatsoever. what i believe about human life and the Bible is as much my right as it is for people to slaughter unknown thousands of innocents every year. if quotes from the Bible offend you, i can do nothing about that. as a matter of fact, i don't snipe doctors at abortion clinics. i believe that it is just as wrong to murder someone-outside the law-as it is to kill babies. the Bible clearly states that i, as a christian, am to place myself in subjection to the powers that be in this country-whether or not i agree with them is another story. i do believe that God is a just God and will deal with the perpetrators of these acts, as well as those who condone them, in due time.
that being said, my right to believe and speak in the manner which i deem apropriate, is my choice and my right. you people are always "pro-choice" when it comes to mudering babies, so why can you not take the same attitude towards someone who doesn't agree with you or who you think is wrong? i have fought, literally, to protect the rights that i have in this place called america, and take great offense to the fact that someone who probably has never donned a uniform (except maybe boy scout-or girl scout) will speak against my rightto say what i want and even go so far as to infer that i am much like the ragheads that want to kill and have killed americans with diligence-especially over the last 5 years or so. i have fought to protect the rights of people like you even though i totally disagree with you on most social issues and dislike most liberals, in that they seem always to have 2 sets of standards....one for them and one for everyone else. at great personal cost, on more than one occasion i have wagered my own well-being to help ensure that this country remains a place where the democratic system that we have stays in place and that the rights of the free people of america's rights are not infringed upon by those who oppose and would usurp our government given the chance. actions speak louder than words, so in closing, i ask you what have you done?
gerilynnwood6680 Offline
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btw, the last post is me-18delta-i had to log in under an old screenname my wife set up for me long ago.
PMoreno349 Offline
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whoa there delta...

I didn't mean to get you all riled up with the sickness commnet. In retrospect, that comment was a mistake (maybe too close to name-calling).

Let me just ask you one thing... what is it with you and the murdered fetus thing? Why do you feel so strongly about that? Were you once an abused fetus?

Aside from the whole discussion about whether you want to consider termination of a pregnancy the termination of a human life...I am curious what you propose to do about the problem of the unwanted children, once they are born?

How about if we send all of the unwanted children to you, and let you take care of them.

18delta Offline
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how about parents start instilling values in their children that would prevent "unwanted pregnancies". abstinence is no fun for sure, but it beats abortion. you are right, however about the cost of attending to unwanted children. i think if people would take advantage of the birth control methods offered (most times for free) at local health clinics, it would help. "accidents" do happen, but when you make "mistakes" you should deal with the consequences. like a mature "adult" should. anyway, obviously, this is an extremely sore spot for everyone. i perhaps was a little harsh when i said that i "hate" liberals. i certainly hate their values and that for which they stand......and their whining, effeminate attitudes.
however, i do not "hate them because they never usually enter my mind and occupy my thoughts until election time rolls around. i think many are nothing more than VILLAGE IDIOTS and strongly dislike many of them but do not "hate them per say. i was wrong in what i wrote concerning my true feelings concerning liberals and admit it. that said, i stand by other remarks i have made and would hope that if you believe strongly in something you would also stand by your beliefs....even though you are wrong.....hahaha. the two parties involved in this discussion will never reach a point that they can say they "agree" with one another, but to show that i am not the "stereotypical Alabamian", i will make this gesture to chi-town, p. moreno, and last but not least to rickmaven....i would like to send each of you a smoke, over which you may ponder the mind of the radical, fudamentalist, conservative, snake-handling, "sniping", church-going, closed-mided, **** that sent it to you. i am sure we can all agree on the goodness of cigars(in general, of course)


snailers-----------i promise on my honor as a member of the John Birch Society not to send a pipe bomb.



delta
PMoreno349 Offline
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glad to see you are taking it a little bit easier, there... it is good...I concede as much on my part, also.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Hey delta, I think that you're an **** too! Can you send me a smoke? Make it a maduro & I won't hate you as much. LOL

ex John Bircher
uncleb Offline
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Delta,

As I said before, I totally respect your right to your beliefs and opinions. I do not hate you. As a matter of fact, I respect you very much for the strong beliefs you hold, just as I respect USAHOG, EI, Charlie, Rickamaven, and countless others on these boards that are strong in their beliefs.

I consider myself a liberal in most of my values and beliefs. At one time I was pro-choice but have come to believe that, in our modern society, that there are enough options, education and outlets that abortion should no longer be considered a viable option to unwanted pregnancies, except in extreme circumstances (incest, imminent danger to the mother, etc). That being said, I have never and would never consider a woman that makes that choice to be a "murderer". Just my belief.

All this being said, the thing that most bothers me about your post(s) is the stereotypical way in which you lump all "liberals" together as such terrible people. We (my wife and I) do instill values in our children and teach them right and wrong and how they should treat everyone as well as themselves with respect. We do teach them that sex is something that takes place between 2 individuals that dearly love each other and is not something to be taken lightly. We do teach them that we believe that they should wait until they are married before they engage in love making. Instilling good values is not just a "conservative" trait. It is a good person trait. Perhaps what you meant to say is "I hate PEOPLE that....."

Yes there are people that fall into the "group" that you describe, but that by no means fits all liberals and it definitely does not describe me. These are just my thoughts.
18delta Offline
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you are right.....i hate people who kill babies..........

i am sorry if i offended you by lumping all liberals into one category. i never said that instilling good values was solely a conservative trait though. i respect you for stating your views publically and also for taking time-as many people do not- to teach your children well.

i now have 2 categories

liberals i dislike a little
liberals i dislike alot

i am yanking the hell out of your chains

i like to play with ricky ricky though


SPANIARD..........SNAILER

[email protected]

bassdude Offline
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Some very interesting posts with the exception of Pmoreno. That is the type of liberal that gives you all a bad rap.

Uncleb wrote
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I consider myself a liberal in most of my values and beliefs. At one time I was pro-choice but have come to believe that, in our modern society, that there are enough options, education and outlets that abortion should no longer be considered a viable option to unwanted pregnancies, except in extreme circumstances (incest, imminent danger to the mother, etc). That being said, I have never and would never consider a woman that makes that choice to be a "murderer". Just my belief.

Well said and I agree with all but the 2nd to last sentence.

I just started reading a book by PJ O'Rourke and he summed up what I always thought was the 'liberal' feeling on abortion/death penalty: "consider how much you'd have to hate free will to come up with a political platform that advocates killing unborn babies but not convicted murderers. A callous pragmatist might favor abortion and capital punishment. A devout Christian would sanction neither. But it takes years of therapy to arrive at the liberal point of view."

Folks life begins at conception. And with abortion you make the choice to end that life. Who knows what great accomplishments that person may have reached in their lifetime, another Einstein, a cure for cancer???
Cigarick Offline
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Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control, but...

Women should have the right to choose, but...

Taxpayers should not have to foot the bill, neither for the abortion, nor for raising their litter (you pick the definition).
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cigarick let me ask you this; you are dating a woman and are totally in love with her. She gets pregnant. You want the child she does not. You have no problem being a single parent even if this means it is the end of the relationship. Still her choice to abort?
bloody spaniard Offline
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Delta, I finally read the entire thread.
It was tough at times because of the run-on sentences... BUT

I am also pro-life AND
I know that you don't hate liberals. They rankle you a bit-- been there bro.

Someday, the "pro-choicers" will have to stand before God and explain that it's not the taking of a life because they know better than HE when life begins...

Having said that, liberals have also helped bring about higher standards of living and greater human rights. Things are not quite as white or black as you perceive.

blood

bloody spaniard Offline
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Bass, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

If a woman has a right to "choose" because she knows what's best for her body, and no law should supercede that--then why are there laws against suicide?

Cigarick Offline
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"She gets pregnant... Still her choice to abort?"

We're not married and she's the one who would carry the baby for nine months. Her body, her choice.
Cigarick Offline
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"...then why are there laws against suicide?"

There shouldn't be.
PMoreno349 Offline
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A woman's body, her choice, end of story...

Bassdude, is that what you meant by being an extreme liberal?

I don't really consider myself to be extreme, but that is always a matter of perspective.

PMoreno349 Offline
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Delta, Just a suggestion, maybe you should just drop the word "hate" from your statements. Perhaps using a different descriptor would be a more accurate representation of your position....

If "hate" is what you really mean, then shouldn't you take a close look at that in the context of your professed religious beliefs?
bloody spaniard Offline
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"...then why are there laws against suicide?"
CigarRick said: "There shouldn't be."

*Mengele and Kevorkian would be proud of you.



Moreno said: "A woman's body, her choice, end of story..."

*A tired, glib, cliched response- the woman made her choice when she spread her legs. No need to take it out on the fetus/baby.

blood

billyjackson Offline
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Ah....been a while since I've seen someone use scripture in an argument with people who don't accept it as such.

Glad I grew up and stopped doing that.
CWFoster Offline
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Delta, send me your snailer! [email protected]

Got something for ya!

God bless you my brother!
CigarPrimate Offline
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Law and life.

I don't know that much about law, but I do know that a law either exists or it doesn't. A law can say "no green shirts worn on Tuesdays for penalty of death." This law isn't moral or immoral, right or wrong; it means don't wear green shirts on Tuesday to avoid being executed. Obviously, some laws are inherently better than others, and others are plain stupid; that's the nature of law in a dynamic society. A law against suicide is a very peculiar beast though. If a person kills their self, no penalty can be exacted on them by law courts. The corpse could be incarcerated, even beaten; such thinking really has no meaning as such; WTF is a law against suicide? It doesn't take a lot of brain power to conclude that, in some extreme cases of suffering, probably taking some pills and going to sleep makes more sense. In this context, a personal matter such as suicide is best decided on by an individual, and hopefully their doctor, than by some preacher or legislator. This, of course, is my personal opinion. As it stands now, many countries, even the State of Oregon, have laws legalizing Dr. assisted suicide. You may or may not agree with it, but such laws do exist in some places, and do not in others.

Abortion is a similar issue, and I know a little more about it than law, because I study biology. Like suicide, there are laws in some places allowing it, yet some other places have laws outlawing it. Regarding suicide, abortion, and other events, the fact is that different people possess different feelings about what is right, or wrong, and that is normal; we can't even imagine a world where all people always agreed about everything. Regarding when life begins however has no firm support in any case. As far as we know life originated on earth hundreds of millions of years ago, certainly not at the conception of any individual. In humans, a sperm and an egg are definitely alive when they fuse, so the life of a zygote is just the continuation of the lives of a sperm and an egg. Even then however, no part of a person appears till about a week or two after the zygote forms. The first days after the fusion of sperm and egg forms a ball of cells, a blastocyst, and then a trophoblast, none of which contain the embryo yet. Later, after a week or so a mass of cells called the 'inner cell mass' forms; these are the stem cells we hear so much about, and they eventually go on to develope into an organism. You would really have to wait till the inner cell mass forms before you could claim you're terminating the organism, because before then, one doesn't exist, just the trophoblast, which goes on to become placenta. However, most abortions occur after the inner cell mass has formed, so this distinction isn't really an issue. After this point, like suicide, it's comforting to think the decision would be between the pregnant person, and hopefully, a doctor. Decisions about intimate issues such as suicide and abortion aren't a modern problem, but have had to be dealt with in the real world for thousands of years, even before modern inventions like laws and books came into being. My personal view is that it's a woman's choice, as the counter-view runs dangerously close to the radical islamic view that women are property to be controlled and regulated. If men were the ones having babies, then it would be a men's issue. Of course, the moral distinction expressed here between "should or could" is my own opinion, which is mutually exclusive from any law that may or may not exist. Having two daughters however, I cannot but come down in favor of supporting women's rights. If I ever decide to commit suicide to alleviate suffering, you know, that's just my own business; screw the law. If my daughters ever felt they needed an abortion, that too would be their own personal concern, I'm just glad we jave laws allowing them that choice, should it come down to it.
tornado Offline
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A woman's body, her choice, end of story...

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That's nonsense. There are 2 bodies involved, and one of them isn't allowed a say in the deal. That's the problem.
snowwolf777 Offline
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billyjackson

Grew up, eh?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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18delta

your faith is to be respected, but keep it to yourself.

science does not say we came from monkeys. you are just not aware of facts that you disagree with. they aren't facts.

i thought this was put to rest during the scopes trial, but it wasn't, it won't, amd so it goes.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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18delta

my dsl is back up and i see i have missed much.

i have studied more about the bible then you have and it is a myth to explain what happened. if you chose to believe in it as passionately as you do, i see no objection. i think you are and should be fine with your beliefs.

now how about recognizing my belief system and granting me the same respect.

i will look forward to your response that respects my personal beliefs.
bassdude Offline
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Pmoreno - I never said you were extreme. I said you posted comments that dripped of poor taste and that it was folks like you who give liberals a bad name.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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gerilynnwood6680

"ragheads"????????

what a lovly choice of words for a "god fearing man"

those people who wear turbans do so because it is part of their religious doctrine, and they don't all want to kill us.

do you want me to suggest that all catholic priest are pedophiles?

incidentally abortions destroy a fetus, wars kill people.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bloody spaniard

about these laws against suicide. i think any one that disobeys that law should be hung.

do you believe a women should be hung just like a man.
PMoreno349 Offline
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Bassdude, just out of curiosity, could you be more specific... What exactly was striking you as being in poor taste?

Before you answer, you should consider that comments were sarcastic to meet the passion and extreme language used by Delta... which, I am happy to see he backed away from... at which time, I also conceded that interaction like that is non-ideal. However, to just make extreme comments which ultimately are just a matter of opinion, is only begging for a response.
billyjackson Offline
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snowwolf777 ....




Yeah.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Rickamaven said: "do you believe a women should be hung just like a man."

Answer: No Rick, I believe that only men should be well-hung.
bassdude Offline
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I meant these comments. I do see that you conceded.

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Let me just ask you one thing... what is it with you and the murdered fetus thing? Why do you feel so strongly about that? Were you once an abused fetus?

You should do the people of alabama a favor and stop perpetuating sterotypes.

your brand of fundamentalism is a kind of sickness... Tell me what differentiates your radical dogma from Islamic radicals... I hope you are not out sniping people at abortion clinics
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