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Just a Reminder... Blanket Democratic Amnesia
usahog Offline
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Blanket Amnesia

QUOTES FROM AMNESIA CITY..............BE SURE TO READ THE ENDING

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line" - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program" - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons" - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNNECESSARILY!

;0)

Hog
S4_biturbo Offline
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I don't understand your point. The fact of the matter is, he didn't have any wmd, nor did he have the materials to produce any. We all believed the intelligence reports that he had stockpiles of weapons which in turn was the impetus for the US to invade Iraq. Those reports were WRONG. The intelligence FAILED. Why can't people understand that?
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for the sake of argument, chitown, let's say you're right. "the reports were wrong . . . intelligence failed." do you realized that our president was just as "mislead" as the democrats being quoted? they're calling him a liar for believing that same thing they believed. do you not see the irony there? they backed the president's decision when the decision was made. after the smoke clear, they pointed their fingers at him and screamed "liar!" if you still don't see it, you probably never will.

usahog Offline
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OK So Why do "YOU" (you, used for Many) blame Bush?

Hog
usahog Offline
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well said Lofty..
lofty1 Offline
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holy crap, what am i drunk? please excuse the many, many typos in that last post. my god, that's nasty. the point is intentional, the typos are not!




i need to stop drinking so much.
S4_biturbo Offline
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lofty - I'm not suggesting Bush lied about the intelligence. But how come no one in the Bush administration (including Bush himself) is claiming responsibility about this? Furthermore, why are you resistant to admit that no wmd were found? I repeat, the intelligence was wrong - this is fact- it has been established.

We (as in you and me), should be able to trust the intelligence, regardless of political party, race, ethnicity, whatever. After this blunder, isn't your trust of the United State's ability to gain accurate intelligence marginalized?

I'm tired of the whole administration brushing it off and pointing fingers like "it's not my fault." If we don't blame Bush and the administration, who do we blame? The tooth fairy? I mean come on people. He's the Commander in Chief. He should be responsible! Isn't he the one declared war on Iraq based on the intelligence?
usahog Offline
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"Isn't he the one declared war on Iraq based on the intelligence?"

Nope, the Intelligence was a big part of this.. But he declaired war on Iraq to remove Saddam from power because of the failure of the past 12 yrs of sanctions that even the United Nations had a hand in violating.. (Food For Oil Program) in 2001 October time frame Our President held a nationally televised speech declaring a "War on Terror" and for those Country's who are with US so be it for that who appose they will be dealt with accordingly... Saddam Hussain was paying $25,000 to the family's of a suicide bomber to go into Isreal and blow themselves up.. is this not Terrorism?? and could the same Bounty be paid to do the same at the Hated United States by Saddam Hussain? Bush stopped it before it materialized and I am all for stopping action before it happens...So much so I would and have put my life on the line to make sure this United States is a better/safer place to live for my children...

as far as WMD's and not finding any... what you really don't know wont hurt you... and Bush has owned up to the fact that a substantual amount as posed by Intellegence prior to OIF had not been found.. so how much was found?? hell the media doesn't even want to list this one LOL

Hog
bassdude Offline
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Chi are you saying that Bush was responsible for collecting intelligence?
lofty1 Offline
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"Furthermore, why are you resistant to admit that no wmd were found? I repeat, the intelligence was wrong - this is fact- it has been established. "


I have never resisted to admit the WMDs were not found. To my knowledge, the WMDs have not been found. There I said it. I never avoided it. However, that being said, I cannot say the intelligence is wrong. That is not a fact. It has not been established. There may be components of the intelligence proven wrong, but you're saying there were no WMDs and no equipment designed for use of WMDs. We haven't found them, but that doesn't mean they were never there. They could have been smuggled out of the country in the time we gave Saddam to cooperate with the UN. In fact, there are stories that suggest that this did indeed occur. I'm not saying it did. I'm saying it's possible. I'm also saying that you don't know "for a fact" that it didn't. Don't say there was no evidence of WMDs or actual WMDs before the invasion. You simply don't know that to be true. You have no clue how accurate our intelligence was. You were never exposed to our intelligence, and you don't know the truth. You and I will never know the whole story.

Regardless, Hog's original point is still quite valid. The Dems are just using foolish rhetoric to try to make the Bush administration look bad. The fact remains that they supported and pushed the decision to attack Saddam, but they are now using that decision as a failure on the part of the president. That's pathetic regardless of your party affiliation.
S4_biturbo Offline
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You republicans are all the same - blind, unwilling to see the truth, and spinning things to make yourselves look favorable. It's an excercise in futility to make you read between the lines and see things the way they are, not the way you want them to be.
S4_biturbo Offline
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bassdude - Please answer me this:

WHO SHOULD BE REPONSBILE FOR THE INTELLIGENCE? THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION? THE PRESIDENT? SANTA CLUAS? NO ONE?
usahog Offline
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ChiTown, I take it your Book (with read between the lines) is full of pictures ;0)

you wouldn't know Facts if they landed on your foot...

and your attempt to run away with this thread other then it's content is feeble...

If pointing the finger point it at all Guilty Parties... Democrats included... those words above were right from the horses mouths..

Hog
lofty1 Offline
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my vote is for santa cluas.



seriously, how can you say that we should infer the same from what we've seen as you infer? that's incredibly arrogant. you have your opinion, and i have mine. btw, i'm not a republican. you know, it's possible that you read more between the lines than is there -- like calling me a republican. think about that.
S4_biturbo Offline
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yes, full of pics for those who have hard time reading
usahog Offline
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I figured so... ;0)

Hog
jd1 Offline
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Appears to me those dates above don't all begin at 2000. It shouldn't take a political affiliation to see that.
bassdude Offline
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Chi even though you completely ignored my question I will answer yours. The person who collected the intelligence is responsible. If that is the CIA or British MI then it is them. How can you possibly place blame on an administration who had no hand in the act of gathering? I am NOT a Republican - but it is you who are placing the spin. I believe it is a fcat that Iraq had WMDs - can you honestly say you do not? Then Clinton and the others lied too?

I vote for the best candidate regardless of political party.
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Chi,

To avoid revisionist history let's take a look at this using math. I am sure you can add and subtract even if you went to public schools like me.

When Saddam signed the treaty after the first invasion, he (the government of Iraq) declared that they had X number of weapons. During all of the BS with inspectors and such, Saddam (the government of Iraq) provided paperwork showing that they destroyed Y number of weapons. Ok, so you take X, and then you subtract Y, and you should get some number (which is pretty large) that is Z.

Where are the remaining weapons?

So, we know there are/were weapons because Iraq told us. Do you understand that? Iraq told us.

OK, so where are the weapons? Are they hidden? Are they sitting in Syria? Did they get sold on the international markets?

No matter what is said, Bush, Blair, the leaders of Germany, France, Russia, et al, believed that Saddam still had weapons because Saddam said he still had weapons and documentation supported his claims.

SO, if you can do math, then you can figure it out. If you can't do math, then you must be a democrat blinded by the bs being slung. :)
dapperdan Offline
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Sadammed was one evil man and needed to be taken out PERIOD! What don't you people get.
dapperdan Offline
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SAD AND DAMED TO HELL!
dapperdan Offline
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I don't give a sh*t about WMD! He's GOING DOWN!
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