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THERE IS NO COALITION. WE ARE THE COALITION. HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING FROM VIETNAM. IF THE IRAQIS WANT A FREE COUNTRY, LET THEM DO WHAT WE DID, FIGHT FOR IT THEMSELVES.

Military Fatalities: By Month
Period--US--UK-Other--Total--Days
10-2004-34--0----0------34----15
9-2004--80--3----4------87----30
8-2004--66--4----5------75----31
7-2004--54--1----3------58----31
6-2004--42--1----7------50----30
5-2004--80--0----4------84----31
4-2004-135--0----5-----140----30
3-2004--52--0----0------52----31
2-2004--20--1----2------23----29
1-2004--47--5----0------52----31
12-2003-40--0----8------48----31
11-2003-82--1---27-----110----30
10-2003-43--1----2------46----31
9-2003--30--1----1------32----30
8-2003--35--6----2------43----31
7-2003--47--1----0------48----31
6-2003--30--6----0------36----30
5-2003--37--4----0------41----31
4-2003--73--6----0------79----30
3-2003--65-27----0------92----12
Total-1092-68---700---1230---576

We're stuck with the situation and have to see it to completion. The only question is if the people who got us into this mess are allowed to stay or not.

Rick

Your request just isn't feasible or in our best interest. We are making progress, yes we have sacrificed much, trust me I know first hand. If the media were to show you some of the positives that I have seen and participated in, you wouldn't feel as you do. Believe me when I say there is an agenda at work. It saddens me to see it, but it's real.

Here is one example.

When I went to Iraq in January of 2003 to fight in An Nas and eventually clear through to Al Kut the area along the Euprates from that region north to the Sunni Triangle was a baren waste land. Saddam had cut off all the irrigation to the people there because they supported the coalition during Dessert Storm, which I also participated in. The estimates I heard and baised on my observation indicate that he starved between 300,000 to 400,000 people to death not counting those he had exterminated.

As we left there this September that area was flurishing with green and food was once again growing. There are thousands of Date Palms and Fig orchards and the people are irrigating and building for the fist time in nearly 15 years.

We sacrificed the same way to take out an evil dictator in WW II would you have let the Jews all be exterminated and set back and watched while Hitler slowly took over all of Europe?

Nearly 75% of the military support not only the war but our Commander In Chief. See the new addition of the Marine Times for the military survey that was just completed. It's a no spin matter of fact way to find out exactly how we feel.

When you see a disgruntled member of the military on TV whinning it's not the norm, trust me. The media look long and hard to find these people to push thier agenda, but it's not ours.

I appreciate your concern, but feel your a little misguided in your haste for a speedy withdraw. We don't bargain or barter with terrorist, we exterminate them.

LMAO at Rickamaven, I wish they were home, but it ain't gonna happen!

Charlie

Thank you bullwyf, our son had similar experience during his tour. In his words, elect Kerry and you will flush away every sacrifice made by our troops.

There is an extra zero in the totals for 'Other'
70 'Other' deaths, not 700, God rest their souls all.

Period US UK Other Total Days
10-2003 43 1 2 46 31
10-2004 34 0 0 34 15
11-2003 82 1 27 110 30
12-2003 40 0 8 48 31
2-2004 20 1 2 23 29
3-2003 65 27 0 92 12
3-2004 52 0 0 52 31
4-2003 73 6 0 79 30
4-2004 135 0 5 140 30
5-2003 37 4 0 41 31
5-2004 80 0 4 84 31
6-2003 30 6 0 36 30
6-2004 42 1 7 50 30
7-2003 47 1 0 48 31
7-2004 54 1 3 58 31
8-2003 35 6 2 43 31
8-2004 66 4 5 75 31
9-2003 30 1 1 32 30
9-2004 80 3 4 87 30
1-2004 47 5 0 52 31

1092 68 70 1230 576

bullwyf

there is no way i could disagree with anyone like you who has been there.

suppose, just suppose, lbj had declared victory and pulled our troops out and left the south vietnamese to deal with the north. we would have what we have now, the north taking over the country.

the dominoes didn't fall. we are now trading with our former enemies as all coutries do after wars.

how many youngsters, because the average age of the men in vietnam was about 19. fresh out of high school with no time to screw around, do the growing up thing, and looking to whatever future they could make for themselves.

charles chaplain said "the numbers sanctify."

kill one or two people and the mind can deal with it.

50,000 killed is a statistic.

i'd rather not go into what the usa did to help the jews when the ss st louis docked in new york.

if you want, you can go to

http://www.blechner.com/ssstlouis/

Rick, I guess you complained at the number of US soldiers killed in WWII. That is what war is about. If it weren't for our soldiers you would be speaking German right about now. Give it a rest! Armies are for killing people and tearing up stuff.

HockeyDad

"Also, since you do not want to go into what the USA did to help the Jews on board the SS St Louis, would you care to discuss anything positive the United States has done for the Jews since the outbreak of WW-II in Europe to perhaps the year 2004 or do you simply consider the United States to be unfriendly to the Jew?"

NO.

remember who took out iran's nuclear site the last time.


i suspect with sharon as prime minister, israel will not allow herself to be in danger of iran's nuclear weapons this time either.

Bully - good on you brother. Welcome home!

Rick - I am still here and I ain't leaving until they tell me to. As bully said, we as a military organization understand why we do what we do and CHOOSE to do it. ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE. This will never be Vietnam. Those boys were forced to go.

Now, when they tell me I CAN go home... damn straight i'm gonna be happy. I want to see my family. :-)

JonR

you need another rope. the other one is probably wet.

do you have nothing of your own to say or is it necessary for you to go to cliches.com to get answers.

Osage, I'm of German and Austrian decent, true we could be speaking , and Rick might not be here, or He could be hiding in my attic. Now that's a scary thought!
My wife and I home school our kids and we just got through reading Anne frank and Corrie Ten Boom's bios so the history of the atrocities will not be forgotten ,at least by my family.

Rick

As usual, you spout off about rhetoric and make the same kind of argument your God and Hero Kerry does, by talking a lot and typing a lot, you think you make a good and valid point! However, if you check you will find that F-16's flown by the Israleli Air Force took out Iraq's nuclear site......keep on throwing your bull around and maybe someone will buy it!

Bullwyf and MAC we are proud of you guys and I only wish I were young enough to be there with you!

America will never run from or barter with Terrorist!

Charlie

As much as I dislike the French politics today, I believe the single most decisive battle of the American Revolution was a Navel battle between the French and British off the Chespeake Bay. The French were acting in their own self interest as they and the Brits were arch enemys at the time. That said, I guess there would be advantages to pulling the troops out of the Middle East immediately. It would save lots of transpotation expense to fight the terrorists here rather then over there. Oil would probably be cheaper also, we could just but it from the despot of the day, like the French do. The terrorist battle on our own siol would probably also help solve the problem of overpopulation in our major cities. What the hell, I live in a little town in the Panhandle of Texas. Doubt they'll hit us here.

good post bullwyf

Yo Rick:

Your statement:

"i missed the country. i thought it was iran, but it was iraq. unless we were fighting a "war" in iraq, i wouldn't remember the name of most of those partitions, iraq, iran, saudi, what's the diference, does that affect my point."

My retort:

Your right Rick, what's the big deal, so you mixed up a few countries, so what. Why you probably remember in World War II, when America and our allies Germany and Japan fought Poland to defeat their Fuhrer Adolph Hitlerski, and how people much like yourself always got the countries mixed up. We cannot expect our senior citizens to think with a clear mind after all their brain cells are deteriorating and they tend to fixate on one subject and only one subject.

I hope this helps.

JonR