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How the Flu Vaccine Works
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
How the vaccine works:
>
> Influenza vaccine is produced by growing the virus in eggs. The virus
> is killed and processed to create the vaccine, which is given by
> injection under the skin. The body then produces antibodies to the
> virus over the next two to four weeks. If the immunized person then
> comes into contact with the
> influenza virus, the antibodies attack and kill the virus before it has a
> chance to cause infection. The vaccine contains the 3 most likely strains
> to
> be active during the "flu season"
>
> Why the shortage:
>
> Almost half of the nation's flu vaccine will not be delivered this
> year. Chiron, a major manufacturer of flu vaccine, will not be
> distributing any influenza vaccine this flu season. Chiron was to
> make 46-48 million doses of the vaccine for the United States. Chiron
> is a British company. Recently British health officials stopped Chiron
> from distributing and making the vaccine
> when inspectors found unsanitary conditions in the labs. Some lots of the
> vaccine were recalled and destroyed.
>
> Why is our vaccine made in the UK and not the US?
>
> The major pharmaceutical companies in the US provided almost 90% of
> the nations flu vaccine at one time. They did this despite a very low
> profit margin for the product. Basically, they were doing us a favor.
> In the
late
> 80's a man from North Carolina who had received the vaccine got the
> flu. The strain he caught was one of the strains in th! at years
> vaccine made
by
> a US
> company. What did he do? He sued and he won. He was awarded almost $5
> million! After that case was appealed and lost, most US pharmaceutical
> companies stopped making the vaccine. The liability out weighed the
profit
> margin. Since UK and Canadian laws prohibit such frivolous law suits
> UK and Canadian companies began selling the vaccine in the US.
>
> By the way...the lawyer that represented the man in the flu shot law
> suit was a young ambulance chaser by the name of John Edwards.
>
>

snowwolf777 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Posts: 4,082
I would add the Clintons' price-control scheme of the 90s that necessitated over seas purchases of vaccines in the first place:

It was sold to us as a way to get prices down and get more children vaccinated and, of course, to keep the evil drug companies from making a profit. The Wall Street Journal said, "Companies that decided to run these regulatory traps also know that they'll be doing so for very little reward. Before her big health care reform crashed and burned in '94, Hillary Clinton managed to get Congress to pass a government vaccine buying program for children. Her sales pitch was free vaccines for all kids and higher immunization rates. If we would give this stuff away, she said, more children would be immunized." . . . Thus, as a result of Hillary's plan, the government now purchases about 60% of all pediatric vaccines, forcing huge discounts and imposing price caps. The manufacturers were told, ''You can only make so much profit, and you're gonna make this amount, and we're gonna give it away.''

With the profit margin squeezed to practically zero, some manufacturers have simply said, "We're not making the stuff anymore. It doesn't make sense. We've got this government program that tells us the maximum we can charge, regardless what it costs to make, then we'll be sued the first time somebody gets sick from the vaccine."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
RDC

i'll accept your facts as the truth.

when ford made the pinto, they knew almost immediately tha a rear end collission would cause the gas tank to rupture and start a big fire. management calculated the cost of the fix, a metal bracket that would shield the tank, versus the liability, and legal fees they could anticipate and made a corprate decision. they decided in effect it would be cheaper to let people get burnt to death then to provide the fix.

the european market would not allow the import of the ford pinto without the fix already installed.

so what is your point? some old guy got sick from tainted or unreliable vaccine and was paid for the problems it caused. i assume a jury of his peers decided the manufacturer of the vaccine was negligent, or was the jury a bunch of commie pinko flaming liberals?

it turns out the woman in calif that won all that money from mcdonalds for gettng burnt when she spilled coffee on herself, was burnt with coffee that mcdonalds had heated beyond the accepted heat the law allows/ some idiot decided to turn the thermostat too high so the coffee would stay hot longer and he would not have to keep making fresh coffee. the notmal temperature would not have caused anything more then a superficial burn.

do you know that a corporation is treated as a person. it can be fined, but it can't be put in jail. it is very hard to penetrate the corporate shield to get to the culprit, the person who on behalf of the corporation, has made a decision that will harm some consumer.

so i suggest, before you start throwing stones, you make sure you know where to throw them.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted:
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snowwolf777

simple question.

why can i buy the same prescription medicine from the same manufacturer in the same package from canada for about 1/3 the price then i can in this country?
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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Rick,
Are you comparing dozens of unneccesary deaths from Pinto explosions to the case of the flu?
Should any lawyer use our system to reward a "victim" millions for getting sick?

John Kerry says lawsuits are a tiny fraction of the cause for high insurance costs. Here's one example where lawsuits not only increase our costs, but also cost jobs.
Thank you John Edwards for so blatantly occupying your position at the bottom of the food chain. Your success will likely help our President return for 4 more years over the biggest fraud in history.

And as for McDonalds Coffee, don't for one minute think that the victim was given big bucks for negligence or error. It was clearly a case of "feeling bad" for the elderly lady who was shunned by Big Bad Corporate McDonalds. She originally wanted only the doctors bills paid. When she was told to screw, the lawyers upped the ante and proved yet again that common sense has no place in our litigious society.
Another "victory" for the looney liberals. Rick, don your foil cap and rejoice!
eleltea Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
My brother was a member of a class action suit against Ford motors for some sort of defect several years ago. As a member of the class, he got a certificate good for x dollars off his next Ford purchase. The attorney who filed the class action got $5,000,000.
AVB Offline
#7 Posted:
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Why are some people either too stupid or lazy to check their facts before posting?

This is a false story.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/flushot.asp
SteveS Offline
#8 Posted:
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Common sense died more than a generation ago when our so-called leaders began to think that problems could be legislated out of existance ... there've been huge efforts along those lines but the reality is that government regulation causes far more problems than it solves.

John Kerry's big-government health care notions, for example, sound good to those in need, but the reality is that they'd cost each taxpayer more than $1,000 per year and turn the government into a rationer of health care ... imagine, if you will, having to go to the post office or the DMV for medical attention ... and best of all, the system would NOT allow you to manage your own health care AND it would NOT deliver the sort of health care that amount of $$ coule buy in the private sector.

Plus, over-regulation itself spawns legions of lawyers who add nothing other than vastly increased expenses ...

IMO, we'd be well advised to take some of those big aircraft carriers that've been taken out of service in recent years, load up all the politicians and lawyers and sail them out to the far reaches of the ocean, then drop anchor.
bassdude Offline
#9 Posted:
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Rickamaven, I don't remember what news show I was watching but that question came up. The answer given was that Canada does not have the same regulations that we do and these drugs could be coming from China, Mexico and a number of other countries.
bassdude Offline
#10 Posted:
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Instead of dropping anchor it should be sunk.
tornado Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 05-27-2004
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Just to point out a misconception in the way the vaccine works. Antibodies don't kill the virus. They simply mark it by "sticking" to it. This then tags the virus so that lymphocytes can come in and do the actual killing.

Anyway, Edwards is a prick.
SteveS Offline
#12 Posted:
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Posts: 8,751
The Yiddish word, which we've all heard, is "schmuck" ...

There is also a Yiddish word (which I cannot remember) that translates roughly into the same thing, only a little tiny one ...

Yo, Rick ... I know it's your guys we're talking about here, but what's the word I'm thinking of??
usahog Offline
#13 Posted:
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Posts: 22,691
I'm known as a Yeddish Kid... also known as a Country Boy, River Rat, and Oh Yea a Self Rightious SOB LMAO!!!

were is Sonny hiding anyways nowadays?? Hows Geeorgia??? got any Cokes? Soda's? and Pop??

AVB are you sayin the flu vaccines ain't bein made outside the USA??

Hog
AVB Offline
#14 Posted:
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Hog, I'm expecting you to read so I guess you can say "I ain't saying anything."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted:
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SteveS

PHONETICALLY SHME-KI-LA little schmuck
JonR Offline
#16 Posted:
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Posts: 9,740
Yo SteveS:

You thinking of "goy"?

JonR
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