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Most Important Election Of Your Life ??
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SteveS Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2004, 6:49 AM EST
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Today's Poll Question on CNN.com is

Is this election the most important so far in your lifetime? ... slightly more than 3/4 of the respondents have said yes ...

I was one who said yes ... while I would not hold GWB up as a paragon of Presidential virtue, I sincerely believe the future of this country and our freedom are at extreme risk if Kerry is elected ... I honestly believe this is the most important election of MY life, but one the most important EVER.
gijohn Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2004, 7:26 AM EST
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I agree Steve...when it comes to electing presidents, there are no "unimportant" elections. This one...occurring as it does during an ongoing conflict, has an added degeree of inportance to us in uniform. Kerry shows no sign of being any better than the previous Democratic President who openly "loathed the military."
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2004, 7:27 AM EST
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Ditto to above!

Charlie
usahog Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2004, 8:09 AM EST
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what gijohn and Charlie said!!!!

Hog
cgbgjr Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Oct 30 2004, 5:46 AM EST
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There is a tendency of Americans to think that "this" moment is always the most important. I believe the two Reagan elections were the most important in my lifetime. The differences between the candidates political philosophy was huge, and the Reagan victorys ultimately lead to victory in the Cold War while his pro free market philosophy led to the high tech boom which has revolutionized the planet. I am convinced to this day that his opponents would have managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on both fronts.
turnberry Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Oct 30 2004, 5:52 AM EST
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Totally in agreement with Steve on this one.
grond Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Oct 31 2004, 6:42 PM EST
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The next President will likely replace three Supreme Court Justices. If Kerry wins, I guarantee that Hillary Clinton will be one of those put before the Senate (to keep her out of his hair in '08). I am strongly pro-life, pro-traditional marriage and pro-Christian moral values so... a Kerry victory will do untold damage to the way I think the country should head.... So..yes, this is undoubtably the most important election in my fifty years of living.

Cheers,

grond
xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Oct 31 2004, 8:08 PM EST
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Most important? Maybe,maybe not. If Bush is re-elected,life will go on. If Kerry is elected,I seriously doubt that that the future safety of the USA is at risk. However,the Republicans would have you believe so. X
pabloescabar Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Oct 31 2004, 8:39 PM EST
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I Believe, I am saved...
I am there for I am ?
rayder1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Oct 31 2004, 9:30 PM EST
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Herry is at the stage where he will say anything to get alected. He has a better plan on how to finish off Iraq. He only supports our troops in Iraq as long as it takes for the last vote to come in. If he (G-D forbid!) wins...our troops are doomed. Democracy in Iraq and relative stability in the region will be doomed.

Other than that...since I am not a soldier in harms way...this wouldn't be an election that would be the most important in my life. Now...if I were a soldier, had a relative who was serving in Iraq, had a dear loved one in Iraq...this would definitely be the most important election of my life.
rayder1 Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Oct 31 2004, 9:31 PM EST
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meant "Kerry" lighting is bad on the keyboard.
xibbumbero Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 9:39 AM EST
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Yeah and the sky is falling...the sky is falling,LOL. X
rayder1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 3:50 PM EST
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Mostly I'm thinking that Kerry will push for a quick pull-out from Iraq. At this stage in the game it is more dangerous than the present pace of the war.
a quick retreat from Iraq will be dangerous.
"Doomed" was kind of harsh...I shouldn't be typing that late.
SteveS Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 4:16 PM EST
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Kerry will cave in to the opinions of Chirac and other world "leaders" ... he'd not have gone after the terrorists following 9/11, but would've gone to the UN and asked for the Security Council to deplore their actions ...

However, that, in and of itself, while weak, isn't the worst of it, IMO ... the fact is, he's a traitor who should never have been allowed to run for public office ... it's a sad sign of how far our Republic has sunk that he's a viable candidate ...
xibbumbero Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 4:40 PM EST
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All that is hearsay and what Republicans would have you believe. Kerry is not fool enough to just fold up the tents and just leave. X
bassdude Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 5:22 PM EST
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X I do agree with your last statement.

Maybe someday you can come into the light and realize the Dems are not the party they once were. They no longer represent the masses unless they live in the inner city.

In the rural land we have no use for those anti-military POS.
SteveS Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 6:22 PM EST
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Author: xibbumbero Date: 11/01/2004 09:40 PM
All that is hearsay and what Republicans would have you believe. Kerry is not fool enough to just fold up the tents and just leave. X
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IF Kerry were to be elected, you're right, he won't be folding up the tents and leaving ... BUT, that's what he'd have a lot of voters in this country THINKING he's going to do and they'll be voting for him in the mistaken belief that's what will happen ...

Unhappily, his treasonous actions subsequent to his 4 months of duty in Vietnam are not hearsay, however, but absolute rock-hard fact ... in any time prior to 'nam, he'd have been prosecuted for his crime and would have been unable to run for or hold public office ...

The man is utter slime and I could never bring myself to vote for such a person, irrespective of my opinion of his opponent ...
rayder1 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Nov 1 2004, 7:26 PM EST
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^5
gijohn Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Nov 4 2004, 8:59 PM EST
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It's over now, and I'm happy with the result. A few notes for you folks: I watched election coverage over here in Europe on CNN (British version)..

The most convincing piece was when a French official was being interviewed and came down strongly on Kerry's side....do we need more convincing evidence that he would've been a poor choice?

The Germans are divided...Most think Bush shouldn't have gone in to Iraq, but many do recognize that now that we're there, we have to ensure that when we finally leave, the region won't immediately dissovle into chaos (remember Somalia?).
ilovemaui Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Nov 4 2004, 9:05 PM EST
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I do believe this was a very important election but they all are. The sad thing is that in a free nation we get such a small turn out.

And I couldn't care less about what the french or germans think. I am actaully enjoy watching them cry and moan about Bush being re-elected. If it weren't for America Europe wouldn't exist. I am laughing all the way to the bank with my next taxcut and I can assure you I won't be spending any of it on anything manufactured in France or Germany.
bassdude Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 5:16 AM EST
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What ILM said.
cgbgjr Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 11:46 AM EST
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I didn't vote even though I am very politically active in other ways.

Here is why.

My state is overwhelmingly Democrat and I am not. Kerry, the incumbent U. S. Senator, incumbent Congressmen, are all Democrats who don't share my values. They all won by landslides which everyone knew they would.

Everyone is this liberal state is always whining about "vote vote vote" almost as much as they complain about smokers.

I refuse to do anything they say as a protest.

Oh, yeah, and I lie to everyone about it because I have no interest in having a two hour debate with everyone I meet. I even take the time to make sure that I know where the polling place is so my lie is convincing.

I suspect I am not alone.

SteveS Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 11:52 AM EST
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cgbgjr ... I take it you're a MA resident ... I'm across the continent in CA, but other than the fact that I DID vote (because I wanted to contribute to the overall total and had at least a passing interest in some local issues) our experience sounds similar ...
Wagner Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 11:57 AM EST
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Yes it's over, but I will not give up. There are important virtues in being a "liberal" as well as being a "conservative." Anyone who resorts to name calling or pinning labels on people is not thinking through the issues but rather just ranting and raving.

Personally, I see nothing especially moral about George Bush. He lies and misleads like 99% of other politicians. It's just made worse by the fact he pretends to be of high moral character. Does opposing abortion make you moral? What if you oppose abortion and kill someone? Are you then still moral?

No, I will still fight for the democratic ideals. I believe in helping my neighbor and those less fortunate. Most republicans I know believe that it's not their responsibility to do so and proudly tell you so. I don't see any Christian value in that frame of thought.

Kerry was the wrong candidate, I said that from the beginning, but it doesn't mean liberal is a bad word or a bad person. Yes, we have different values, but please respect that, afterall we still have free thought and free speech don't we?

Wagner
usahog Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 12:15 PM EST
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cgbgjr, Number 1 I wouldn't put myself in a place where I would have to lie.. I wouldn't lie to anyone and if the truth hurts and causes complaints or even fists and feet then so be it.. I wouldn't allow anyone including family members detour my given right as an American and if these individuals didn't like my outcome as to who my prefrences were.. well they can Kiss my A$$....

my sister has not spoke to nor returned my email or phone calls since the election, but she herself was a ABB and we would have long discussions on the issues pryor to the elections... am I dis owned?? if so her loss not mine.. I'll still love her and keep her in my prayers and time heals all wounds...

Hog
SteveS Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 12:31 PM EST
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Hog, while I tend toward your view, my wife feels it best to take the less argumentive path and allow whomever she's speaking with to assume she agrees with them ... she doesn't actually lie so much as just give the sort of feedback that allows them to make wrong assumptions ... says she knows how she voted, so who the hell cares if someone else thought different as long as it saved an argument ... her point is, in some ways well taken in at least one case ... our oldest son has taken a 180 turn in his views as he's grown into adulthood ... he and his old man have had a hard word or two on the subject and his mom just doesn't want to go down that path ... so, she lets him think she agrees with him, even though she doesn't ... I just don't have that in me and couldn't play-act that way ...
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#27 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 3:12 PM EST
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Hog - Keep standing tall you'll never regret it. Gunflint
cgbgjr Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 4:17 PM EST
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I should have made it clear. I have taken the time to explain my views to all family members, even distant relatives who express an interest, because I don't mind spending the time with them to have a discussion. Interestingly, they all take it rather well and accept that different folks can have different opinions. However, I will not waste my time arguing with people at work or more casual acquaintances when it is none of their business whether I vote or not or what my political views are. There are several busybodies at work who I lie to regularly because they are asking questions about my personal life that are none of their business. Here in the Northeast there are a lot of those "in your face" individuals. When I lived in Southern California or Texas years ago it was never a problem. Folks there had a lot more common sense about giving people space.
cgbgjr Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 4:20 PM EST
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usehog--I love to argue with people and stand up for my views--but at a time and place of my choosing, not theirs.

When I fight I fight to win--but I always want to choose the territory. (Lao Tzu ;-) )
usahog Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Nov 5 2004, 5:22 PM EST
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cgbgjr, I understand what your saying now about the busy body's.. I just tell them kinds to FO... or smile and say wouldn't you really like to know ;0)

Hog
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