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WMD found and pictured in IRAQ
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bullwyf Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 1:21 AM EST
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/phantom_fury/flash.htm

Having been there I wondered if this would ever get out to the public. Be sure you pass this on to all the lefties out there. Picture #2 of 20 are vials of SARIN GAS.

CigarPrimate Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 5:02 AM EST
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The photo caption reads "suspected sarin gas." I noticed the carton labels are printed in German, Russian, and English. In any case, if WMD as characterized by administration experts are located, you can bet it'll be crowed from the roof tops loud and long; practically a moot point at this juncture, wouldn't you say?
bullwyf Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 5:15 AM EST
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Notice the having been there comment....read between the lines........terrorist training camps were there, we saw them in 2003. . .did you ever see that confirmed by the major media......no.....
CigarPrimate Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 5:32 AM EST
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Yup. Different issue, but stories about training camps ware reported on both PBS and FOX.
PMoreno349 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 6:48 AM EST
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nice slide show. How much sarin is that... in terms of destructive capability.
usahog Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 7:04 AM EST
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CP, I've got to ask you.. and this isn't a slam or singling you out.. You happen to be the only one who posted negative or a contradictive statement to this thread is all...

My question is.. How much sarin gas does it take in a subway to create a stock market drop? havok and panic on the Christmas Spirit? Hell how much of this Sarin Gas does it take to render 1 person to his eternal light?

Bull, I really am surprised they did show anything related to WMD's...

Now if one could only imagine the impact of a terrorist group smuggling something like this into the USA... and then trying to get it set up to strike out using it against civilians here on American soil...

But we haven't had any type incedent like this since before and up to 911....

Wow... Thanks goes to the American Men and Women in Uniform!!!!!

Hog
cexshun Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 7:11 AM EST
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Hmmm. The box with the english writing seems to have come with an instruction manual...

Is it really that complicated to use?
cexshun Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 7:18 AM EST
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Here's all the bad stuff you've ever wanted to know about sarin, including lethal dosage:

Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin (and other nerve agents) are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and dilation of the pupils. Soon after, the victim will then have difficulty breathing, and will experience nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of his or her bodily functions, he or she will involuntary vomit, defecate and urinate. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking, and ultimately the victim will become comatose and suffocate as a consequence of convulsive spasms.

Sarin is a highly volatile liquid, so that inhalation as well as absorption through the skin pose a great threat. Even vapour concentrations will immediately penetrate the skin. Death may follow in one minute after direct ingestion of extremely low concentrations (0.01 mg per kg of body weight or higher). People who did not accumulate a lethal dose but did not receive immediate appropriate medical treatment may suffer permanent neurological damage.
Burky4467 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 7:58 AM EST
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PMoreno-
That's one picture of one batch they may have found. Do you have any children there? What if your son accidently stumbled upon this batch. You can go ahead and support this now, the election is over. Your candidate Horse Head did until he could use it as an "issue" to hopefully get elected! Oh well, Four More Years!
Burky
Burky4467 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 8:00 AM EST
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PMoreno-
I may have misunderstood your post, sorry if I took it wrong!
Burky
CigarPrimate Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 8:30 AM EST
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Hog,

You being a non-white people debasing, rabidly pro-war, Jesus loving conservative, hell, I'd be insulted if you didn't single me out; please keep doing so to remind me how different we are in our beliefs and why.

As for Bully's post, I was just making the observations that the putative sarin was plainly printed in non-arabic languages. To think this little photo-op now means the world is safe from sarin and other deadly substances...it's just the tip of the iceberg my friend, and it's not all made and stocked in Iraq. So yes, I do find some irony in that our government is depleting it's supply of weaponry in order to prevent the use of weaponry by others; but hey, that's what armies are for I reckon; what do I really know and who would really listen in any case: let the games continue.

Additionally, the suggestion that 'the liberal media' is successfully waging a mass conspiracy to hide wmd in Iraq is absurd. If the current administration, not to mention the news media itself, had any hard evidence of the kind of wmd claimed prior to the invasion of Iraq, both estates would be prancing it around like a midget with a 14 inch hose.

usahog Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 8:58 AM EST
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CP, I gotta LMAO!!!! one of these days we'll have to hook up enjoy a few cigars and run some BS....

as far as making it worldly known about WMD's and the possabilities... you don't want to bet your Taxes on that one...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/16/health/policy/16gulf.html?ex=1101272400&en=b71e3bb0e3139ddd&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

This is something our Government doesn't want to cover the long term effects of... there's big money in not knowing "The Midget isn't going to be anytime soon"

Hog
CigarPrimate Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:17 AM EST
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I've been hearing this story unwind too Hog. Gotta make you tremble at what's in store for the lads and lasses breathing the aromas of the present fiasco. The Persian Gulf was fairly brief compared to the years long chemical cocktail currently brewing.
PMoreno349 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:33 AM EST
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Burky, yeah, you did mistake my meaning... but that is fine... it is often difficult to discern these things from e-communication.

There are two issues, the safety of the troops, and the ability of terrorists to accomplish their goals. Certainly this jeapardizes the safety of our troops (which I would never knowingly minimalize), but I was wondering if someone here had sufficient knowledge to determine whether this posed a large scale terrorist threat.
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:35 AM EST
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CP, these types chemicals will not last in the Dry heat as it is in Iraq and surrounding areas over there.. now places like the US, philipiens (sp) UK and others.. they could possibly last for years...

But the GWS (Gulf War Syndrom) is specualted to be related to the Kamashi Ammo Dump we (allied forces) blew up in 1991... and with the on going studies being done they are finding out more and more... I myself did not deploy to Gulf War 1, but I am listed as and under the GWS... whatever the government decides to do in the future the past is still catching up...

I am not a war monger though it may look to be that way... I just love my Country and my Countrymen and will do whatever it takes to preserve that...

I am glad this war on terror is being fought on their soil and not on ours... I am also glad that we've got a man in office who didn't listen to the UN (Oil for Food Program) and kept his promiss to the American People.. these type people (terrorists and supporters there of) will be dealt with I'd be back in uniform tomorrow if they'd allow me... I don't want to see my kids or grandkids have to worry about this type of thing ever effecting them in their lives...

God Bless our Soldiers and God Bless America!!!!!

Hog
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#16 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 10:38 AM EST
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bully my brother... please ignore any negative comments from people who have NO IDEA what it means to put themselves in harms way for others.

I'll do the same.
usahog Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 10:48 AM EST
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PMoreno349, do you recall the Japanise Tokyo subway incedent in 1994? they used Sarin gas in the subway.. I don't recall how many people it killed, but there were many who still today have effects from this... Our Troops are readily trained for this type of situation... Our Civilian Population is not.. nor is our Stock Market...

Thus taking the fight to them on their turf and keeping them so busy is the only way to keep things calm on the homefront...

BTW I've got video footage and all the newspapers from that 94 attack in Tokyo.. myself and 6 other guy's missed that attack by less then 24 hours riding the very same subway down to the Repungie (sp) district in Tokyo to see the night lights and HardRock Cafe, every time I see any of these guys who were on that adventure this topic is always brought up...

Hog
CigarPrimate Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 10:51 AM EST
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Seems to me Mr. Bully states his own opinion fine, and does so without the need to advertise what a hero he is.
cexshun Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 11:06 AM EST
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All vets are heros. They all need their song sung loud and proud. I take offense that you belittle this.
CigarPrimate Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 11:58 AM EST
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Permission to be offended soldier, now at ease. The statement "All (fill in the blank) are (fill in the blank)" should make anyone suspicious. The statement "many soldiers are heroes sometimes" seems more probable. The idea that all one has to do is wear this suit or hold that job and they automatically become the virtuous saviors of the rest of us doesn't work for me, sorry. A true hero's worth is an assett no one can take from him or her.
usahog Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 12:09 PM EST
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"A true hero's worth is an assett no one can take from him or her."

You mean like John Kerry? who tried to shove his hero crap up everyone's a$$ and paint it Rosey?? Sorry CP I couldn't resist that thought that came to mind...

your right about the other... I've seen both in my military career... those who could not wait to beat feat at the thought of having to actually do their job.. and those who would shove you out of the way to get the job done... But in my mindset... it's both kinds who do are actually there doing the job rather they hate it or not and that isn't just military it's Police, Fire, healthcare Techs etc.. they are the one's who are the Real Hero's so Yep it goes with the uniform....

Hog
cexshun Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 12:09 PM EST
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I see. What you call a hero, I call an opportunist. The military vets signed on to do whatever they can. Just because the situation never presented itself to jump on a live grenade, save an Iraqi baby from a burning house, or give CPR to a dying camel hit by shell fragments somehow makes them less heroic?

On another note, wow, we seem to be debating a lot lately. I now know how hog feels when rickamaven is in town...
usahog Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 12:19 PM EST
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"I now know how hog feels when rickamaven is in town..."
LMAO!!!!!!!!!

cexshun.. don't let the debate get to you... CP reminds me very much of a professor who used to venture these boards.. and could very well be the same? don't know yet, but his manor has very much changed and the debate is civil...

Rick, on the otherhand is my Buddy.. he's just from the other side of the tracks is all LOL... he is a good guy underneith all that make-up... as are many people on these forums...

"Threadjack off" now back to the regularly scheduled debate ;0)

Hog
CigarPrimate Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 12:30 PM EST
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No debate here friend. You want to worship heroes, have at it, doesn't suit me however. Nor does it many others on this board who, regarding navy veteran Senator John Kerry, disregard him as a "hero" despite his status as a vet. So much for your hypothesis. I'll leave the camel CPR to more expert heroism judges than myself.

The 'debate' I believe was whether a photograph of some alleged sarin containers posted here qualified as wmd, and whether the 'media' is trying to cover it up.
CigarPrimate Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 12:35 PM EST
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That definitely wouldn't be me Hog. I'd as soon join the military than hold a professorship; retentionship committees and faculty review can easily get nasty from what I've heard.
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