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Last post 19 years ago by PurpleSageRighter. 17 replies replies.
I'M GLAD GORE, EXCUSS ME, KERRY LOST.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
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when gore conceded four years ago, i was a little annoyed. i thought he should have continued to fight, even after the supreme turned him down. personally i didn't care for him, to wishy washy, and i didn't much care for bush either, but i never dreamed bush would be such a lousy president.

kerry is another story. he had three states he could contest, and he had $15,000,00.00 left in the till to fight with. i thought he had more determination, that he really believed he could make a difference for the country. forget all the flip-flop crap, and the BS about his medals, he was suppossed to be a man who could lead. he isn't. he quit before the race was over.

he would have been trouble as a "leader." he would have been a different kind of trouble then bush is and will be, but he doesn't have the cajones to fight to the end.

i still believe bush is everything bad i ever said about him, but he won, and that's the first test. can you go the distance. he did.

throwing daschle out doesn't mean squat. he was not worth a damn. he was another toady, giving bush more head of steam then he should have.

the democratic party will probably never regain any importance and it is their own fault. they don't fight for what they believe in any more, if they ever did. nadar was correct, we have a one party government.

when JFK was in charge, he surrounded himself with people that disagreed with him so he could get a better perspective. bush surrounds himself with yes men, because he has no perspective and is too disinterested in learning anything. he is like many of the bush poster on the board, "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts." he and you all are narrow minded, inflexible, and stubborn, and given enough time will destry the "great experiment."

the country has been split into the haves and have nots, and the have nots think they will be part of the haves if they follow. they won't, the haves don't want you playing in their league.

i have heard that bush is learning to play the violin.
he wants to be prepared to fiddle when the country burns.

i am 72, and my family usually lives into their mid 90's, so i'll be around to listen to the music.

donutboy2000 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-20-2001
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Too bad you did not get a hint of Kerry's shortcomings before the election.
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
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Great post Rick, except for your insistence to include derogatory comments regarding those that voted for Bush in the election.
What makes you think that we're "narrow minded, inflexible, and stubborn"? Quite a broad brush you paint with, especially for somebody who was all of those things for the last four years.

As for your characterization of Kerry, that is precisely why I didn't vote for him. His lack of "cajones" was the reason for his "flip flop" title. He drifted with the wind rather than forge his own way to a decision. Always has, and likely always will.

So please feel free to consider Bush whatevery you'd like. But don't belittle those who made the right decision.
Gene363 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,881
Some Interesting Election Information:

Republicans: the Party of the Poor (relatively) and Fertile

The Economist reports that “people worth $1m-10m supported Mr. Bush by a 63-37% margin, whereas those worth more than $10m favoured Mr. Kerry 59-41%.” It also reports that “Phillip Longman of the New America Foundation points out that the fertility rate in the Kerry states is 12% lower than in the Bush states. Vermont, the home of Howard Dean and perhaps the most left-wing state in the country, produces an annual average of 49 children for every 1,000 women of child-bearing age; in Utah, where 71% of the population voted for Mr. Bush, the figure is 91. In deep-blue cities such as San Francisco and Seattle you find more dogs than children.”
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted:
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Posts: 33,248
tailgater

don't forget, i too am "narrow minded, inflexible, and stubborn."
JonR Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
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Yo Rick:

You and kerry are two of a kind, as tailgator aptly stated about kerry lacking "cajones" the same goes for you. You are the one who didn't fight for his right to vote in 2000 (remember that real bad man said you could not vote and you walked away pouting and whining), yessir you and kerry to peas in a pod. Hell that's probably why you wasted your vote this year on that smuck.

LOL

JonR


Ps: Welcome back.
PurpleSageRighter Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 09-27-2004
Posts: 474
*** JUST A POSER ***

If an elector voted for Kerry OR for Bush, how can it be said one was a better choice than the other where neither was the best choice as clearly the "BEST" choice never made it to the running.

The use of "popular" election for our nation's executive office, coutched in the preposterous flim-flam called the electoral college IS NOT efficient or representative of best choice for our country nor was either the brain child of our founding fathers. Neither was meant to provide the means for raising up America's "best" to the highest elected office in the land. That method was lost in antiquity to the $$$ and "special" interests who dictate policy.

So, my poser is, when you're left with making a choice between two (2) distasteful options (this year it was Bush and Kerry), what do you do . . . what CAN you do?

Purp
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted:
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PurpleSageRighter

who was your "best" choice?

"what CAN you do?" i wish i knew.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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JonR

the word is schmuck.

i don't want people looking at you funny when you call them a jar of jam.
SteveS Offline
#10 Posted:
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I too am glad Kerry lost ... it WAS, as Rick points out, evident that the man simply is not a leader, but is a straw in the wind ...

I'd sure be happy to see a candidate surface that I could feel really good about supporting and voting FOR instead of casting my vote AGAINST someone I just can't stand.

Rudy Giuliani would be such a man, but there are others, such as Colin Powell, for example ... he would also be a good choice, but I don't see him running due to his wife's extremely strong objections to his doing so ...

The reason for her objections is probably the barrier that most really good candidates are detered by ... and who can blame them?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
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SteveS

do not be influenced by all the media attention rudy grabbed as a result of 911. new yorkers will tell you he couldn't run the city well, and the bad taste of moving his girl friend into the mansion when his wife left him because of his adultry, speaks volumes about his character.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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As a staunch Clinton supporter (see jock strap) I wouldn't think issues of adultery matter? As far as running the city...I can tell it's been a LONG time since you were in the city so nice they named it twice. His efforts to clean up the blight is astounding and worthy of any praise. Times Square was a haven for pimps, whores, addicts and theives. Now it's thriving. The previous mayors promised but never delivered, kinda like Bush in that regard...he says he's going to do something and see it through to COMPLETION!

The dems lost because they put up...yawn...another (gee whiz) liberal tax and spend out of touch career politician. Zell Miller was right, he hasn't changed...his party has! Everyone wants to espouse the good that JFK did, but they forget he was a conservitive! He was for tax cuts, pulling us out of Vietnam, and wouldn't let other nations decide policy for Americans. He wouldn't be able to make it through the primaries if he was to run as a dem now!

I'm glad that you're FINALLY seeing what the majority of Americans saw in JOhn KErry. He's a JOKE! The minute he was the candidate it was over. America turned out in record numbers because we didn't want a repeat of 2000 where lawyers and judges fought to interpret laws and legislation before it was written! We would not be robbed.

Sit back, relax and watch as history is recorded. We don't need conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats or black helicopter stories. If you can't handle whats really going on in the world then you should go to the Clinton Library instead of Las Vegas next time you need a vacation...all the slant you can put up with.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe

i won't give up my tinfoil hat.
eleltea Offline
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Purple, the Electoral College a flim-flam? Do you also think representative government is a flim flam? Please read this and explain why you are right and the Founding Fathers were wrong:

http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php
Charlie Offline
#15 Posted:
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Kerry lost, as he should, and now lets see what the future holds for the Democratic heads, as they scramble to find a new leader to put up for President! Evil Witch (aka Hillary) or far left whacko Howard Dean, or who knows.......they still will lose as long as they have the same old strategist running their campaign!

Rudy Guilliani in 2008!? Or Rudy in 2006 for US Senator against Hillary gal!!!!????

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted:
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Charlie

please have rudy run in 2006 against mrs clintion and put an end to his political ambitions.
PurpleSageRighter Offline
#17 Posted:
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eleltea

YOU STATE: Purple the Electorial College a flim-flam? Do you also think representative government is a flim-flam?"
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Please do not misinterpret my post.

The founding fathers DID NOT create the "electoral college." It was created by Congress in 1803 and ratified in September 1804, by virtue of Amendment XII United States Constituon, due to the pressure of a "party" system of politics (which Washington and others abhored, observing its detrimental effects from the historic despotism in the European states).

It would also be WRONG to presume that I believe myself being "right" about anything. I was merely posing questions to contemplate ... and reciting "facts" as I understand them. I am neither the "concience" of America OR a political activist. I merely ascribe to my understanding of the thought processes of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Washington and our other forgotten "heroes" of our free and independant way of life.

I do not hold our founding fathers up as "heroes" simply to dis our "representative" form of govenment. That is an absurdity; the "Electoral College" IS NOT a healthy representation of a "republican" form of government.

Thank you for your questions, though, for allowing me to try and clarify myself.

Purp
PurpleSageRighter Offline
#18 Posted:
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eleltea:

I read your suggested reading at:

http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php

I find nothing there in contradiction to what I have posted or the question(s) I have posed. My reference to the "Electoral College" being a "flim-flam" is made due to the bastardization of the original intent of your founding fathers to raise up the "BEST" favorite son of the Union of states. The "poser" I was making was . . . "how can the electorate of the American population EVER choose the 'best' man for the job when the 'best' is NEVER made an option for the people to choose."

Perhaps I used a poor choice of words, as I would never consider anything other than our intended "representative" form of government to be the bastion of protection for my liberties and American way-of-life.

Purp
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