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jackconrad Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 7:43 PM EST
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If G eorge W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had given Tony Blair a set of inexpensive and useless (to Tony Blair's UK video formatting) DVDs, when Tony Blair had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If G eorge W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If G eorge W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 10 weeks -- so you'll have three years and nine-and-a-half months to come up with an answer.
drywalldog Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 7:55 PM EST
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Jack, glad to see this president has the same effect on the right, that last one had on the left. Sorry you lost, try harder next time, only 3 years away.
FuzzNJ Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:01 PM EST
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You can almost see the tears.
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:30 PM EST
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#2 and #3 - You clowns were the ones screaming about the national deficit when Bush was in office.

Now it has tripled... in 100 days... and you're nonchalant?

How does that f*cking kool-aid taste, anyway?
drywalldog Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:35 PM EST
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Macs- rocket scientist- your boy started this, and did nothing till it was too late, jacked up the left(It had to be fixed right now), gave the banks the keys to our safe, and you blame on Obama, who has been in office for 100 days. Its your story, make it up as you go I guess.
GreenWolf70 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:47 PM EST
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No, I blame Jimmy Carter for coming back into office masquerading as a black man.
robertknyc Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:48 PM EST
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Dry, how lame can you be...your "boy" has taken the notion of deficit spending to unprecedented heights, orders of magnitude above anything Bush ever envisioned. I just love how you libs will find any excuse to excuse the irresponsible indebtedness this president is putting us and our grandchildren in. Excusing bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior is never a valid argument.
elk hunter Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:51 PM EST
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Remember Jack, liberalism is a mental illness!!!
Even when Obama fails miserably it will be G.W.B's fault because they will say:

Look what we inherited. It was so bad that even we could not fix what George Bush did!!!
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 8:59 PM EST
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#5 - Yo drywalldouche... brain surgeon... Bush's bailout was ridiculously stupid. We can agree on that.

Obama made it 3 times worse by passing his own. What we should have done was left it alone. Let the companies that were going to fail, fail. THAT would have been the responsible thing to do. Our economy would have SELF corrected much faster.

Now we're f***ed. Triple f***ed thanks to your boy.

I'm not an economics major, but even I know spending your way out of debt doesn't f***ing work.
Homebrew Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 9:16 PM EST
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Bush was a bad president, as he almost doubled the national debt. Obama is borrowing money even faster. I am a fiscal conservative, and I am outraged. For a long time, I have been for lower taxes, to stimulate the economy, and reduced spending, to reduce the debt. Unfortunately, the republicans, which controlled both the legislative and the executive branch from 2000 - 2006, couldn't stay out of the tough. Spending money like drunken sailors, while cutting taxes, to stimulate the economy. While tax revenue actually increased, the national debt increased at a much higher rate. I have not researched it, but I bet the interest that we pay on the national debt, is probably within the top three expenditures of our country. Defense, and healthcare being the other two.

We gotta do something about the debt.

But the republicans, have proven to NOT be the answer. The democrats are not the answer either.
Basically, until a viable third party takes a majority, we are fucked.

That is why I vote party line Libertarian.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
jetblasted Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 9:28 PM EST
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If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

Um, jack . . . Ever Heard of Bushisms? - Where wings take dream ! ! !


If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

Dammit jack, How Many Charges of Cronyism were there ??? ...

How about Michael Brown and Harriet Myers just to name Two ... The list is about 40 names long, though . . .


If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

Yo, jack . . . Did you ever see the photo of Bush holding hands with the Saudi Royal ... ?

And this was just a few years after 9/11 when NINETEEN of the TWENTY ONE Hijackers Came From Saudi Arabia ! ! !
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 9:29 PM EST
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You, sir, are NOT insane.

You refuse to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. I applaud you.

I agree with you.
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 9:29 PM EST
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12 for 10.
jetblasted Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 9:36 PM EST
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Dave isn't susceptible to Classical Conditioning . . . (aka Pavlovian)
borndead1 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, May 1 2009, 10:28 PM EST
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My party is the good party. Your party is the bad party.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, May 2 2009, 1:28 AM EST
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i would have applauded bush's every decision.
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, May 2 2009, 4:26 AM EST
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There is no longer a need to worry about the national debt or deficit spending. As long as other governments are less stable than ours, people will continue to loan our nation money at low interest rates. We borrow more money to make the interest payments.

If at some point the world rises up and reaches the conclusion that the US government has no clue what its doing, has no means to ever pay back its debt, and the US dollar should not be considered as a safe haven currency, we will be forced to take action. The action we will take is to destabiliZe some portion of the planet until such time that the USA again appears to be the most stabile. We don't need to have our act together and offer leadership by example. We just have to be less screwed up than everyone else and if some collective body of nations starts looking too good, we will take them down. Presidents Bush and Obama have figured this out. I hope you didn't think that the action we would take is to start living below our means as a nation and repaying national debt through massive tax increases!

We will never repay our national debt. If you actually believe we will, stop having children and let somebody else's kids pay for all the benefits and fun stuff you are receiving today.

Once the world reaches the conclusion that we will never repay our national debt, there will be an old-fashioned "run on the bank" as US debt rapidly becomes worthless. People who loan money to us (including pensions and 401Ks) are gambling that they are not the last ones in on a ponZi scheme.

When a "run on the bank" starts, the nations that caused it will be bombed, wars will break out, and all US debt will be eliminated via a national bankruptcy. Nobody who has the power to start the "run on the bank" wants to start it because being bombed sucks. (China and oil sheikdoms have the power now)
Ethan Kurland Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, May 3 2009, 12:12 AM EST
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So, hockeydad et. al., sounds like gold is a good investment even at its current high prices. What do you think? Never mind, I don't even have $ for good cigars. On a quest to find cheaper...anyway I got help for that on another thread.
So,
does anyone remember Rosa Luxemburg and her 2 co-leaders? Coming into leadership when Germany was paying war reparations (WWI) that it could not afford and otherwise in a mess, Rosa & the other 2 (it's 4:52 a.m. can't remember and won't look it up) thought it more important to try to fix the country than have the blame for the mess correctly fixed on the true perpetrators. The new leaders immediately took the blame for the mess that they did not create, they said, "Yes, it is all our fault," (not in English, but essentially). They thought that that would help the country concentrate on solutions. So,
Soonafter, those 3 leaders were hanged. Then the NAZIs began rising...
Obama is wrong, a tiny bit, sometimes, often?...however, attacking him as if he does not care or try--why?
Hockeydad, don't know how much is joking and how much not, but interesting. Hope to see you sometime.
I better go back to bed. All the best, to all of you
jackconrad Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:19 AM EST
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Just for fun !
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:27 AM EST
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In answer to the OP

I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt during the first part of his term, and didn't look for and highlight any little thing I could pick at and find wrong.

I was solidly behind Bush after 911, through Afghanastan and beleived his was honorable in the run up to War with Iraq...... until I realized that day Colin Powell was at the UN that we had nothing. My faith that the administration knew more than us and the world took a hit that day.

From that point on, my main point of contention was with Bush on that issue and the tertiary issues that accompanied it.

At that point I admittedly did become hypercritical of other issues as well and at times probably went to far.

But in answer to the OP...... no I did not and will not nitpick so hard to find something wrong just because my guy lost. I want our President to do well regardless of party and am rooting for him.

In the event there is a flashpoint issue of merit or an accumulation of non-trivial issues such as there was with Bush, I will be as critical as anyone. The deficite could very well become that issue.

I couldn't give a **** about ipods.
xibbumbero Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:32 AM EST
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Yes,Obama has doubled the Nat'l debt but that's what one has to do to try and save the country and reverse mess that created by your boy, Dubya.
Funny,I didn't hear one peep out of the cons while he was doing it.
I guess the point I'm making is,when you guy is doing whatever it is he/she is doing it's okay. X
Charlie Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:34 AM EST
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Good point Andy


Charlie
borndead1 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:53 AM EST
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My party is the good party. Your party is the bad party.
nir6van6a Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:58 AM EST
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You see, no one cares if he does it. Bush = devil, Obama = Messiah. Get with the times man
jpotts Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 10:51 AM EST
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5. Author: drywalldog Date: 05/02/2009 01:35 AM Reply

Macs- rocket scientist- your boy started this, and did nothing till it was too late, jacked up the left(It had to be fixed right now), gave the banks the keys to our safe, and you blame on Obama, who has been in office for 100 days. Its your story, make it up as you go I guess.

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Yes, you're right. The best way to fix a mess is to do more of the same that got us into it in the first place.

Liberals are such "smart" people.
jpotts Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 10:55 AM EST
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21. Author: xibbumbero Date: 05/05/2009 12:32 PM Reply

Yes,Obama has doubled the Nat’l debt but that’s what one has to do to try and save the country and reverse mess that created by your boy, Dubya.

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Yes.

Because we all know that His Excellency Barack (Idi Amin) Hussein (boy whiner) Obama didn't spend 4 years in the Senate, two of which Congress was controlled by Democrats.

Yep. This whole deficit and recession thing came all out of left field for Dear Leader. And he was helpless to do anything about it.



His hands were tied.




A big shocker.









I hear Grape-flavored Kool Aide masks the taste of the cyanide best.
xibbumbero Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:20 PM EST
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What were the Reps doing during their time in control...WHOOPS...forgot about that, dinya.
Like,I said,everbody turns a blind eye when their people are in charge. It's just that the Reps like to chimp scream when they're not in charge,LOL. X
nir6van6a Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:28 PM EST
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They are all retarded. Seriously. But Libs take it to a new level sometimes. I want to start over with 2 new parties. A real republican (not neocons) and real democrats (not libs). That would be nice and refreshing
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:34 PM EST
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bush sucks butt
FuzzNJ Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:35 PM EST
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You saying the republican party needs a brazilian?
Gene363 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:46 PM EST
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Those kinds of comparisons cause the heads of Obamatron zombies to explode; at least it’s easy to sweep up dry bone fragments.
jpotts Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 12:48 PM EST
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27. Author: xibbumbero Date: 05/05/2009 05:20 PM Reply

What were the Reps doing during their time in control...WHOOPS...forgot about that, dinya.

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They weren't spending more than all of the previous administrations put together.

Maybe that's the reason you "forgot."
Ethan Kurland Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 1:51 PM EST
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Damn, I woke up at 4 a.m. the other day to give you guys a history lesson relating to this...(#18)

When will I ever learn? When will we ever learn? Rosa Luxemburg died in vain. Shame, shame.
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, May 5 2009, 7:09 PM EST
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To the OP: Hypocrisy is king. Don't even ask the questions.

The liberals live in a country where the mainstream media shows Obama tying his shoes with sunshines and jellybeans, and he'll have a burger with rainbows and puppies.

Then they say the conservatives drink the kool aid!



As for the issue of "inheriting" the economy, that is unfortunately true. Obama was sworn into office when the economy was tanking.

But was it really the "Bush" economy?

There is too much evidence to suggest that the housing, insurance and banking downfalls were orchestrated even before Bush took office.

And the numbers show that markets actually faired quite well until the House and Senate were under democratic rule.

Now, am I suggesting that Bush is blameless? Hardly. He had 6 years of a Republican Congress and yet did NOTHING to support a conservative budget, nor devise a remedy to stymie the banking train wreck.

But when I hear the blame cast solely upon his shoulders?
I recognize this as the whine of the uninformed.


To be fair, I don't blame Obama for the current state of the economy. To do so would be even more idiotic than blaming Bush.
But I do strongly disagree with his solutions.
It doesn't take an economist to recognize the fact that you can't spend your way out of a deficit.
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