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Giambi on the Juice
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uncleb Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 7:53 AM EST
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592

He may never admit it himself but I think it will soon come out from other sources that Bonds was (is?) on the juice also.
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 8:09 AM EST
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Bonds will never admit the fact that he was a major user of "enhancement products"! He may be clean today, but when he jacked the homerun record, he was quite obviously on something~!


Charlie
herfsnipe Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 8:12 AM EST
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Noooo....Really ??? Imagine that...

MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 8:57 AM EST
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Oh... now HERE's a surprise. (insert icon of me rolling my eyes) :-)
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 12:27 PM EST
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Giambi and Bonds taking steroids ????????

Next thing you know, someone's going to try to implicate Jose Canseco and Ken Caminitti ...
lukin Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 2:01 PM EST
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As an A's fan, Giambi was one of my heroes...what a waste. To me, this invalidates everything he has done in the majors. Many say that even if Bonds is on steroids (and to me almost all doubt is gone) that he would still be a superstar. To those people, I have to ask the question...why is he taking them? Secondly, if it ever comes out that he is taking steroids, should his awards and medals be stripped? Should he be banned from the game? I don't see how this is much worse than what Pete Rose did.
BeatDragon Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 2:51 PM EST
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Then shouldn't every player in the history of baseball who took a performance inhancing substance (that would include cocaine, uppers, etc) of ANY kind regardless of its leaglity be banned and or records stripped also??

Can you imagine how long that list might be and how far back it would go?

Its a good thing some of the heroes of old arent playing today because they never have amassed their records with all those days in the drunk tank and rehab.
lukin Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 3:27 PM EST
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I agree it would be a long list...heck, I think Canseco said it would be fifty percent of the players he played with (which unfortunately would be a lot of A's players) however, what does it mean to those players who aren't doing drugs? Aren't they getting ripped off? Shouldn't they get more credit for the work they have done? I have much more respect for a player who hits 20 bombs a season without performance drugs than one who hits 73 with.
SteveS Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 3:42 PM EST
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BEER????? ... wow, I had NO idea beer could make you hit the ball further ... had I only known, I mighta put down more of it ...

oh, wait ... check that ... I have NO idea how the hell I coulda put down more of it than I did back in those days ... it sure as hell didn't help, either ...

Moving on, before I buy into any part of your argument, Beat, you're going to have to 'splain to me exactly how booze and/or coke could enhance performance ... distortion of judgment (ergo, diminished eye/hand coordination) seems the more likely change ...

From here, (this won't make any of BarryBuddy's apoligists happy, so perhaps it would be better if they didn't read more) the view is that Bonds was (is?) a user ... and most clear thinking folks agree ... his apologists who've somehow overlooked his many shortcomings are apprehensive that their idol is about to have his image (and his stats) severely tarnished ...

Let's face it ... baseball, like NO other sport, is a numbers driven game ... and performance enhancing drugs unfairly distort those numbers ... users have gained an unfair advantage over those who for whatever reason are unwilling to be on the juice ... it's no longer a level playing field ... as it SHOULD be ...

Existing rules don't help much because much of this stuff, including the stuff most of us are pretty sure your boy used, weren't even known about until very recently ... no test could reveal their presence, no way (they thought) they could ever be caught cheating ...

The stuff McGwire was on was not against the rules then, but it is now ... that was an unfair advantage to him ... the stuff Barry, Jason, Ken, Jose, Gary, etc., etc., etc., are or have been on should be illegal too ... ALL of it should be ... and users should NOT be crowned as some sort of hero ... their "achievements" should be noted as having been attained by means of drugs, not by superior ability alone ...

The whole thing makes me sick to my stomach ... I love the game, but detest cheaters ... my vote is to toss them and all their so-called records right out of the game. Period.
lukin Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2004, 9:36 PM EST
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I always ask the same question of Bonds fans/apologists...if someone else came along and you KNEW he was juiced and he hit 100 homeruns or 200 homeruns in a season, would you complain?
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 6:07 AM EST
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Here's another thought to ponder... With all this steroid BS going on... what do you think about Pete Rose NOW??

All he did was bet on some games. These dipshiznits are basically cheating. Yes, I feel that taking steroids is giving one's self an unfair advantage... and so does MLB, that's why they are ILLEGAL!
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 10:17 AM EST
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There is gonna be a hell of a lot of finger pointing going on regarding steroids, growth hormones, etc!
Bonds saying he did not know what he was putting in his body is a big crock of crap!

He knew!

Charlie
ryantp Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 10:22 AM EST
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Charlie, I agree that he knew.

These guys are so concerned about the shape they are in, they wouldn't just rub a cream on themselves without knowing EXACTLY what it was and what it would do. C'mon.

Giambi will retire. Bonds should, but is too self-centered.

Check out ESPN today. Great coverage on this.
Charlie Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 11:15 AM EST
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Tonite on ABC they are having an exclusive interview with the guy who owns BALCO and it should be a real bombshell, as they claim he is gonna drop names, etc!

Charlie
ryantp Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 11:24 AM EST
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Did you see who was interviewing him? The same guy that interviewed Michael Jackson a while back - where Jack-o admitted that he shared beds with kids.

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