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POLL - Should steroid users have records stripped?
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SteveS Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 12:58 PM EST
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This question is being posed on CNN.com ...

Should records be stripped from athletes if it's proven they used banned substances?

7 of 8 respondents have voted YES
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 1:17 PM EST
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Yes. When Pete Rose gets in the HoF, maybe...just maybe I might change my mind about other "rule benders". Ty Cobb is in and not Rose? Give me a break.
BeatDragon Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 1:41 PM EST
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Do you realize how many ball players used steroids???

Or are you just picking on Barry again?

Charlie Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 1:50 PM EST
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Everybody picks on poor Barry! He should have asterisk by his home run records, and I only pray he doesn't break Aarons record!

Roger Maris 61 should be recognized as the single season record, but it will not!

Charlie
lukin Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 7:41 PM EST
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absolutely...I don't care how many players are on steroids or any other performance enhancing drugs...strip them all. IMHO...they are getting payed plenty for their talents thanks in small part to my hard earned dollar purchasing tickets, buying merchandise, and all other means of support. If they can't earn their money by working hard, developing their skills, and staying in peak condition the legal way, then they don't deserve the money they get, or my attention. I watch baseball because I appreciate the skills the players bring to the game in the spirit of fair competition. If half of them need to cheat to win or accelerate their performance, then in essence what they are doing is altering the result unfairly. The game is tainted as well as all of the records and statistics. If players are cheating to win, then it is hardly better than pro wrestling...mildly entertaining, but ultimately empty
EvilJAR Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 7:48 PM EST
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Well said lukin. Pretty much sums up how I feel too.
donutboy2000 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2004, 8:24 PM EST
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Ty Cobb used steroids?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2004, 3:38 AM EST
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No. Read up on him and tell me if he belongs in the HoF or in a zoo.
Seth Gekko Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2004, 11:29 AM EST
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I think it's too late now. . . . mainly because there is no way to know what record-setting players in the past did to their bodies. . . . . there's a possibility that many sports records over the years have been affected by performance enhancing drugs. . . . how do we know which were real, and which were enhanced?
xrundog Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 3:58 AM EST
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People throw around the term "performance enhancing" like there is something wrong with it. There are many performance enhancing substances that are not illegal. An energy bar can be performance enhancing! The main problem with steroid use is that they are dangerous and illegal drugs.
xrundog Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 10:58 AM EST
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Oh yeah, strip 'em.
0patience Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 11:42 AM EST
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I agree with DMV.
Cobb bet on baseball, was a convicted felon, abused drugs and alcohol and killed a man and is in the hall.
Rose bet on baseball and was banned permanently.
Steve Howe and Darryl Strawberry have been caught numerous times with illegal drugs and are still eligible, although not likely to make it.
Players like Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver were "alledged" to have thrown a series game, even though their stats show different and were banned from baeball.

The thing that bothers me about the way they ban or not ban players is that there is no consistency.
If you ban one player for something, then ban all who are caught for the same thing.
Things like drugs, steroids and such that are allowed sends the wrong message to kids. It is ok to do drugs and steroids, but don't get caught gambling.

Personally, my opinion is that if a record was made during a time when a player was on steroids, then the record should be stripped.
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 12:57 PM EST
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Opateient, agree with you on your post, but how are you gonna strip 73 steriod influenced home runs from the "great" Bonds? I would say place permanent asterisk marks on all of his home run records since he became a Giant! At least since his head has become the size of a human bobble head doll, probably in line with steriod useage that he claims he doesn't take...ha ha ha, want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn if you believe that!?
Bonds and his ilk have tarnished the great game of baseball, now it time to tarnish the trash that violated the fans trust with the use of illegal substances.......I only hope MLB and Players association do not fight over this issue and get together for once to really show that they mean the best for the game!
As I stated above Roger Maris 61 is the record that I recognize, even if MLB doesn't and Roger should be in the Hall of Fame!

Charlie
jackconrad Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 7:12 PM EST
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They have ruined the game for me forever. I no longer give a sheet!!!
cexshun Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 7:58 PM EST
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This issue has me upset. Bonds was a fantastic ball player. His records and abilities will now forever be shadowed by this juicing. Sosa/McGuire both suck/sucked without roids. Bonds was great without roids, so his situation is tough.

If Rose is banned from baseball for life, it's only fair that Bonds' have the same. Ty Cobb not being banned is not fair and is outside the norm.
SteveS Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 10:53 AM EST
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Cobb had a highly disagreeable personality and was widely disliked by his fellow players ... if being a 24-carat a**hole were reason to be banned from the game, he'd would've been at the front of a long line of guys who'd be gone ...

The topic of this thread, though, has to do with steroid users, not jacka**es ... guys like Bonds, Giambi, Caminitti, Canseco, Sheffield, et al who've taken performance enhancing substances ... guys whose achievements could never have been attained by natural means ...

Sripping their records just isn't going to happen ... perhaps it SHOULD happen, but it won't ... and unless Bud either takes an uncharacteristicly tough stance or is replaced by a more Landis-like commissioner, nothing ever will happen ...
Charlie Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 11:15 AM EST
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The entire era of steriods will be a black mark on baseball, but what about football? Are we overlooking the 390 lb linemen and the guys that juiced up in NFL!?

Cause to think!

Charlie
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 1:19 PM EST
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Tony Mandarich, Lyle Alzado, Mark Gastineau to name a few...oh the NFL is ripe with the juice too. New and tougher rules should be put in place. This sends the wrong message to kids that look up to these guys like gods. You me and everyone else here knows they put their pants on one leg at a time but our kids still think they're the stuff of legends. The long term harm to the integrity of sports for the short time fame.
tornado Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 2:43 PM EST
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Yes. However I support legalizing steroids for all sports. If you don't think most pro athletes already use banned substances (including most Olympians), then you are fooling yourself. There's only one logical explanation as to why the average weight of NFL linemen has gone up nearly 30lbs. in the last 50 years, and it ain't because they eat more steak and potatoes.
MACS Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 3:36 PM EST
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Yep. Pete belongs in the Hall. Period. As far as the steroid issue... I hate to say it, but I don't think it is as bad as most people believe, although I do believe there are more out there than we know of now. It's all coming out now, little by little...
SteveS Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 4:48 PM EST
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I, on the other hand, think the problem's far worse than most people believe ...
plabonte Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Dec 7 2004, 5:25 AM EST
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If you cheat you don't deserve the records. If a marathon runner won in record time but in further review it was found out they took short cuts and didn't run the entire distance you would take away their record wouldn't you? No difference here.
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