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0patience Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 11:59 AM EST
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Ok, so that this isn't a threadjack post, thought we could start a new thread. I just wanted to reiterate the fact that anyone who remembers Bill Buckner for one play either doesn't follow baseball very well or has no clue about the history of baseball.

I have a complete bookshelf of baseball history books, memorabilia and documentation.
As you may guess, I am a baseball history buff.
Boston has always been one of my favorite teams, since I was a kid going to Fenway and watching Yastrzemski and Fisk.

Anyway, thought you would like to know there are folks who remember Buckner for his accomplishments and not the one play. He was a great player who's stats are still unmatched by most players. Your family should be very proud of him and forget anyone who makes comments about it.
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 12:50 PM EST
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From one baseball historian nut to another one.......love the game and hope these present day phony super men do not ruin it (they won't)! I just wish they would bounce all the steriod users out on their asses for a couple of years!

Agree with you on Buckner, he was quite a good hitter and a really good all around player that had a "15 seconds of shame" that has labeled him by many as a big time loser! He was not a loser, but a damn good baseball player who had an error that has been blown out of proportion over the years!

Speaking of Red Sox, read the Halberstram book, "The Teammates"! It is a great book and goes beyond the game itself!

Charlie
0patience Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 1:22 PM EST
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I've seen that book and have been meaning to pick it up.
Going to have to take another look at it. : )
Thanks for the recommendation.
I got to meet Bob Doerr and talk to him for a while. Another great player who is also a great person.
He signed some baseballs for me, signed some HOF cards and I have a nice letter from him.
I've been fortunate to meet quite a few hall of famers and talk with them.

Even some of the HOFers have some moments in baseball they would like to forget. ; )
dapperdan Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 7:02 PM EST
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0patience
Thanks buddy, check out the picture post (HOG) I will send you some if you like.
Another thing about that game, I watched it live and it was not the only error but Billy's was the clincher. He was also playing with a bad ankle that had plagued him for years and played his heart out like he always did. So to look at it at a management point of view maybe he should have never been in the game. But that's baseball and you gotta love it!
0patience Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2004, 8:02 PM EST
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Dan,
Thanks. I've never had the montecristo.
e-mail me tm @ troublecodes . net

I watched the game too. I knew about the ankle problem, but never questioned their decision to put him in that game. There were other things in that game that played up to that. So to say that play was the game deciding play, I feel is totally wrong.
It was only one of many. Buckner has nothing to be ashamed of, in my opinion.
The beauty of the game is that things happen.
You cannot count on anything and just when you think it is over, it isn't.

In that year, he led the league in at bats, had a very respectable batting average and had a phenomonal fielding average.

We went to the last game of the division championship between Seattle and New York in 1995. Some of my friends left the game early, thinking it was over.
Seattle won the game after 11 innings.
Knowing that anything can happen, we stayed to the end of the game and got to see a win that we thought we would never see. ; )
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 7:54 AM EST
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That had to be one of the most watched World Series in MLB History! Lots of memories from those games, both good and bad! Buckner was a gamer and maybe BoSox fans will now ease up on him and the "jinx"!

Dan, you can tell Bill B that I am a big fan of his and know how good a player he was for over 20 years....what a feat!

Charlie
BeatDragon Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 8:44 AM EST
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Thats right Charlie lets kick all the steriod users out...

But lets keep all the biggots, drug addicts, alcoholics, and wife beaters that made this game great!!!

The game of baseball has been full of cheaters from the get go. Sign stealing, phantom double plays, spit balls, the list goes on and on. But I guess only certain cheaters need be kicked out.

Oh Yeah, Billy Buckner was a hell of a hitter in his day.
Charlie Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 8:48 AM EST
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Beat

We don't have to kick the steriod boys out, I just wish MLB would disallow the records they set! Barry Bonds home run record (73) is one for sure and if he breaks the total home run record, do the same place a big asterisk by his name, and let it be know for generations to come that the great Bonds juiced up for these records!

No, baseball players are human, not invinceable, and they drink, chase skirts, smoke cigars, drink and do all the same things most folks do, but using illegal drugs should be right there in line with betting on baseball! And then the silly denials of useage is even more of an insult to the fans!

Charlie
BeatDragon Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 9:01 AM EST
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Charlie,

So we are talking about all the illegal drugs right? Coke, crank, smack, acid, 'shrooms, bennies, reds, marijanewanna, alcohol (prohibition) and those "special injections"(I know you saw '61) etc etc?


Man, thats a lot of ball players. Probably some of your heroes too.


Buckner was good outfileder too
billyjackson Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Dec 6 2004, 12:37 PM EST
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Anyone see the new SI? Sportsmen of the year were the BoSox.....but the last page columnist Rick Reilly (sp?) said to hell with that....it should be Buckner for all the crap he's endured. He talked about the "forgiveness" the fans extended to Buckner after the WS. Reilly rightly says that Buckner is the one that needs to forgive them.
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