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JonR Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
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Bosox Player Takes Series Ball, Goes Home
By HOWARD ULMAN
AP Sports Writer

BOSTON - The Red Sox have the title. Now they want the ball. Backup first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz caught the ball for the final out of the World Series, ending Boston's 86-year championship drought.
He then put the souvenir in a safe deposit box. Only one problem: The Red Sox say the ball should be in their hands.

The player who didn't join the team until July 31 still wants to keep it but recognizes its meaning to the team's passionate rooters - a prize that completed a four-game sweep of St. Louis and ended the misery.

"Of course I want Red Sox fans to see the ball," Mientkiewicz said in a call he made to WEEI radio. "The main reason why I hung on to the darn thing is because I want people to see it."

So does Red Sox president Larry Lucchino, and he planned to ask Mientkiewicz to give it to the team.

"We want it to be part of Red Sox archives or museums so it can be shared with the fans," Lucchino told The Boston Globe. "We would hope he would understand the historical nature of it."

Lucchino and Red Sox owner John Henry did not return e-mails requesting comment. Messages left at the homes of Mientkiewicz and his father were not returned and a woman who came to the door at his Coral Gables, Fla., house said he wasn't there.

Mientkiewicz said Friday he had a "nice conversation" with Henry.

In an era rife with memorabilia sellers and collectors - the New England Patriots once sold jars of dirt for $10 from Foxboro Stadium before it was torn down after the 2001 season - such an historic baseball might command hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.

After all, on the very day Mientkiewicz squeezed the final out in his glove, the ball Barry Bonds hit for his 700th home run brought a top bid of $804,129 after a 10-day online auction.

Mientkiewicz said the ball he caught was "my retirement fund," the Globe reported. On Friday, he said he was kidding.

"If Mr. Lucchino wants to talk to me about the ball personally, he has my phone number. He can call me," Mientkiewicz said on WEEI.

Mientkiewicz, unhappy as a part-time player last season, is set to make $3.75 million in the final year of his two-year contract. The team has an option to renew it at $4 million for 2006 but has said it intends to trade Mientkiewicz or its other first baseman, Kevin Millar, before spring training.

Mike Martin coached Mientkiewicz at Florida State from 1993-95 and is convinced the player won't sell the ball for personal gain.

"There's not a selfish bone in the guy's body," said Martin, in his 26th year as head coach of the Seminoles. "He was one of the most popular players to ever play here. He also was a guy who was a fan favorite in Minnesota. He's also very community oriented and I'm sure that's the case in the city of Boston."

The Red Sox obtained the slick-fielding Mientkiewicz in a trade deadline deal with the Twins. He was a late-inning replacement in each of the four World Series games after being a starter for the previous three seasons.

Boston led 3-0 in Game 4 in St. Louis when Mientkiewicz entered in the bottom of the seventh. He didn't handle the ball until there were two outs in the ninth and shortstop Edgar Renteria grounded it back to the mound. Pitcher Keith Foulke trotted toward first and underhanded it to Mientkiewicz.

With the ball in his grasp, Mientkiewicz raised his right index finger in triumph and rushed to the pile of celebrating players. In the locker room, he gave the ball to his wife, Jodi, who put it in her purse then brought it to Fenway Park the next day, where it was authenticated by major league baseball officials.

So who owns it?

"This is a gray area as to what players think they can take with them," Lucchino said.

Carmine Tiso, spokesman for MLB, told the Globe that Mientkiewicz owns the baseball. Joe Januszewski, Red Sox director of corporate partnerships, said he thinks the team owns it.

And the bat?

Renteria still has it and could bring it with him to Fenway after he signed with the Red Sox as a free agent.

"A professional baseball player is like a golfer," said Jeffrey Lane, Renteria's agent. "They know what their five-iron feels like."

Back in 1918, when the Red Sox won their previous World Series title, there was another dispute. The sixth and final game was delayed because of a debate over how much of the gate receipts players would get. But the game went on and Boston beat the Chicago Cubs 2-1.

The last out was another grounder that second baseman Dave Shean threw to first baseman Stuffy McInnis. The next-to-last out? A fly ball to Red Sox left fielder Babe Ruth, who was sold to the New York Yankees in 1920.

For the first time since then, the Red Sox are champions so Mientkiewicz knows the importance of the ball he has locked away.

"It belongs in the stadium where we brought it home to, and if they would like to see it then I'd be more than happy to," he said. "That's part of history and I think people have waited long enough. They deserve to see it."

JonR






THL Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-22-2002
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Until it flies into the stands, the ball should belong to whomever paid for it. That ball stayed in play.
usahog Offline
#3 Posted:
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what THL said.....

Hog
0patience Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2003
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Any other game, it would be nothing for a player to have the game ball.

But I have to agree that since the ball was in play and never left the playing field, the ball is actually the property of the home ball club.

On the other hand, no ball club has ever demanded that a historical ball be retained by them though.
No hitter balls went to the pitcher who pitched them.
So it is a grey area.

So.....Personally, I think it should go to the stadium and not to one player. That would seem to be the right thing.
classic57 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 12-27-2004
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And isn't a game ball usually awarded to the player who contributed the most? It's not as if he won it for them or anything. That last out was so easy, my mother could have caught it. It was teamwork that won them the championship, and they should share it equally.
adk Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 12-13-2004
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The comment by Jeffrey Lane is very perplexing. Do Golfer's demand their ball when it is hit out of bounds? I don't think so. When a player hits a ball into the pond and an overzealous fan dives for its retrieval does the home course ask for it back? Give me a break. Baseball, like so many sports, is about the fans....and for Red Sox fans.....I would not want that ball for anything in the world. Who knows how long the next curse will last>>>>
rayder1 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2002
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In a game where you go through 40 plus balls in a game...there is no true "Game ball". Football...you rotate a half dozen of so. The game ball is usually the last ball that was used to win....seal the victory...score the touchdown...of make the final out. Game balls traditionally have gone to MVP's. But...they sometimes go to the person who touched it last. There is no set rule on game balls. Mientkiewics has a right to it and to do with it as he pleases. He will probably make more in a month than the ball will ever sell for at auction.

If he truly want's the people to see it...then he should make sure it gets put on public display...like in a museum. If he wants a nest egg, he should hold on to it. The win is what's important.

I personally think he should have the team sign it and hand it over to the museum.
xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
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He caught it so it's his ball. However,what Rayder said. X
Charlie Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
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For a regular season game they start with 60 baseballs, and for something like a world Series-90--I believe!
Doug Meintkevicz should keep the damn ball. Example, George Foster of for Cincinatti Reds in the 76 World Series kept the home run ball (one of the most famous balls hit in MLB) by Pudge Fisk after it fell back into play from the net above the Green Monster! Foster said, "This ball is going to be my retirement"!

Red Sox are being petty here, damn they should be happy to have broken the Bambino Curse.......player should keep the ball!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
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Oh, I also agree with what Rayder said, have team sign it and hand it over to Cooperstown (Hall Of Fame), after all this is the most famous curse in all of sports history, and probably in American History for that matter!

Charlie
herfsnipe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-28-2004
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I forsee a property rights issue coming in the future. Teams in a position to win championships will probably make players sign clauses to relinquish rights to memorabilia originally purchased by the home clubs like balls, uniforms, hats, bases, and other highly popular and potential revenue sources. I think ole' Dougie Boy should sign the ball before he...

gives it back to management.

"Here's your ball fellas. Oh, by the way, I signed it for you."

rayder1 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2002
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If he hands it over to the museum...he should retain rights though.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted:
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Have no opinion--just wanted to yell "YO" at you & welcome you back!

Hang tuff, JonR!

*Sorry for the threadjack*
TedSaint Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 09-04-1999
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According to the MLB rulebook, the player who has possession of the ball at the end of the game is the rightful owner of that ball. He may give it away, keep it, or slice it and dice it with a set of Ginsu knives, if that's what he likes. It's his, and the Commish's office has even said so. (Thanks, Selig, you puppet.)

Personally, I don't agree with it. Especially since these comments are coming from a player who made $2.8 mill this year alone. If poor Dougie needs a nest egg, let him sell off one of his Gold Gloves instead. That ball has significant emotional, historical, sentimental, and unfortunately, monetary value. I think it belongs in Cooperstown along with the other "donated" items: Foulke's cleats, Pedro's cap, etc... Let everyone enjoy it, not just a person with deep pockets on Auction Day.

As a blue collar guy, or even a white collar guy making a lowly teacher's wage, I can understand why some Joe Schmoe would hold onto such a ball. To anyone else, that's their winning lottery ticket. Also, as a former first baseman, I know that at the end of the game, many times the ball is just tucked into your glove when the game is over, and one doesn't give it a second though until you're packing up your gear in the locker room. ("Oh yeah, there's the ball.") Any video highlights show this guy celebrating with the rest of the team, rightfully so. NOBODY had the wherewithal to consider what happened to that ball ahead of time.

Lastly, I'm a diehard Red Sox fan, so it almost hurts to see this monumental achievement tarnished so soon. I mean, we just put away the dilemma of what to do with Ted Williams' frozen head and lo and behold, we win the Series! Do we have to put a price tag on all the momentos as well? (The Sox just held a *ahem* fundraiser recently by selling autographs on balls, photos, etc., and make a killing. Just to get in the building, it costs fans $20. Who are they kidding.)

Rumor has it that the Sox are considering withholding Doug's Championship ring in exchange for the ball. If so, I betcha he gets out his Ginsu knives first...

Sorry for the long-ass reply, but this has been a hot topic in the local bars this weekend. Sheesh!

lofty1 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 06-07-2004
Posts: 4,670
remember when it was all about the fans and not the money? i don't. maybe i'm just too young. some folks, even these days, play for the love of the game and the appreciation of the fans. those are the ones we respect the most. they respect the game they've played so long and that has made them so wealthy. then there are guys like this clown. this is why i just don't care for professional sports as much i once did. it's all about the big "ME."


the game and the fans have made you wealthier than you deserve. apologize and donate the baseball, you ungrateful jerk.
EI Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-29-2002
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it's just a ball

he could keep the ball and give the redsox another and no one would know.

unless they put serial numbers on them now
cexshun Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 09-23-2004
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He should give it back. This is one of those things where what was done was bigger then any 1 person. The guy isn't a baseball superstar. This guy is more or less a hack. He was lucky enough to catch the last out, and now he wants to ride that dumb luck to a couple extra $mil. That ball is bigger then him, and that ball is bigger then the bosox. That ball is Boston.

Even if he was a superstar, I'd probably be even more critical. When the Bulls won their 3rd championship in a row, Jordan went into the stands and retrieved the game ball immediately after the buzzer. Nobody said anything because, well, Jordan is a God in Chicago. I thought it was awfully selfish of him and his priorities were screwed up. You should be celebrating with your team, not running to grab memorabilia.

Legally, it's his ball. But he should give it back.
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
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He should give it back but, ship it via DHL.
lofty1 Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-07-2004
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EI,
from what i understand, they do mark balls these days when there's historical significance. for instance, when a homerun record is about to be tied or broken, they use premarked balls. i think they do the same for the world series. i think they have a way to verify the authenticity.
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