I had to try them for myself just to see if they are as bad as everyone likes to say. I tried one last night a robusto and you know what it wasnt as bad as everyone says, it had a nice cocoa smell and flavor, with a little bit of a green taste, but for $.60 a pop not bad. I also had a Genuine Counterfit by Perdamo nice cigar at a nice price, but a little strong for my empty stomach before dinner, would be perfect afterwards.