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barryneedleman Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Apr 4 2002, 1:32 PM EST
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What would you call using race as a tactic? Again, I truly feel that race is still a big issue in this country but there are many instances that race is used as a tactic where race really had nothing to do with the issue at hand - that to me is "playing the race card." Sorry if you don't like the term, but I feel it applies. Barry
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Apr 4 2002, 6:00 PM EST
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Yes, there is racism in America 2002. As long as individuals are free to think for themselves there always will be. Just as there will be murder, rape and theft. But the "RACE ISSUE" is kept alive not by racists, but by the feel-gooders and the minorities of color themselves. Perhaps if the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would go away, then we could think unbiased about every decision. When a white guy gets fired, his performance or attitude is examined. When a black guy gets fired, his color is examined. When Halle won the Oscar, I thought a fine actress was chosen. When I listened to her speech, I thought the award was fixed in order to make a statement. When I see a group of young black Americans laughing and playing, I swell with pride for our future. When I see a gang of thugs swaying with a "home boy" attitude, I wince in agony. If that gang happens to be black, I somehow become a biggot in the eyes of the Liberal Left. When professional athletes complain about the low number of black coaches it is claimed to be due to racism. They state the "facts": 80% of the league is black, yet only 3% of the coaches are. Yet they ignore the reverse statistics: only 15% of America is black, yet 80% of the millionaire athletes are. How does this happen? The "race issue" is only an issue when somebody needs it to be. Other than that, it is simply a bunch of uneducated fools who think they can judge a person by their skin color. Perhaps we should pity the biggot rather than fight them. Many people don't mind a battle, but few want to be pitied...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Apr 4 2002, 6:13 PM EST
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tailgater i believe you hit the nail on the head.
Charlie Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Apr 5 2002, 9:41 AM EST
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Damn, the three of us agreeing, this is a hallmark moment when Rick agrees with me and tailgater!!!!! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Apr 5 2002, 9:44 AM EST
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As far as Ray Rhoades getting fired, he deserved to be fired! He is a great defensive coordinator, and a miserable example of a head coach! No race was involved, just a bad job of coaching! Charlie
delarob Offline
#56 Posted: Tue, Apr 9 2002, 4:50 PM EST
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My nomination for best actor ever.... O.J. Simpson.
eleltea Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2002, 11:20 AM EST
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Jesse Jackson is an extortionist and should be in jail. Robert Mitchum was the greatest movie star and "Farewell My Lovely" one of the best hollywood film noir movies ever made. Halle Berry is beautiful and sexy but a lousy public speaker. How come you guys don't put up so many posts over in the cigars area? This is interesting, but you know you are just pi$$ing each other off over here all the time with your bullheaded opinions, whereas if you only like maddies, who cares, even lunatic liberals like maddies ;o)
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2002, 6:38 PM EST
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Jesse can bend his body backwards?
eleltea Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2002, 10:41 AM EST
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Mostly he bends other people forward, lol.
Teninx Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Apr 16 2002, 5:56 PM EST
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Robert Mitchum in the original "Cape Fear". One of the most menacing, dark character portrayals in the history of film
eleltea Offline
#61 Posted: Tue, Apr 16 2002, 6:09 PM EST
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Tennix, I like you already. How about "Night of the Hunter," the only movie directed by Charles Laughton?
Teninx Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Apr 16 2002, 6:35 PM EST
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Rev. Powell with LOVE and HATE tatoos! Yannow Springsteen drew on that image for "Cautious Man"?
The surreal, nearly artificial way Laughton shot and lit the scenes...weird angles...that shot of Willa dead in the submerged car....I can go on and on, LOL
Charlie Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Apr 17 2002, 3:03 PM EST
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Mitchum played in some of the great film noir classics, how about "Out of the Past" with Kirk Douglas? Charlie
eleltea Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Apr 19 2002, 5:05 AM EST
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One of the greatest ad-libs of all time: Mitchum was already a big star when he was busted for marijuana possession in the squeaky-clean Hollywood of the forties. When the coppers booking him asked what his occupation was, Mitchum deadpanned "Ex actor."
JonR Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Apr 19 2002, 6:08 AM EST
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How about Richard Widmark as Tommy Udo in Kiss of Death(1947) laughing as he pushes the old lady in a wheelchair down a flight of stairs.
Charlie Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Apr 19 2002, 6:57 AM EST
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Glad to see more "film noir" fans on the board!!!! Tommy Udo is one of the all time great heavies in Hollywood, and it almost locked Widmark as a full time heavy! Charlie
eleltea Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2002, 10:32 AM EST
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Dittos on Widmark. Underrated. Remember Don't Bother to Knock with MM? Victor Mature made one or two. Bogie as Sam Spade. Laura, when Gene Tierney was very young and very, very beautiful, overbite and all. Gotta stop now. I'm getting misty.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2002, 5:51 AM EST
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Gene Tierney and her overbite. i childhood fantasy remembered. also gail storm in jungle woman.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2002, 5:52 AM EST
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Gene Tierney and her overbite. a childhood fantasy remembered. also gail storm as "jungle woman."
JonR Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2002, 8:49 AM EST
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Gail Storm in "My Little Margie".
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2002, 10:31 PM EST
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i forgot the question. should we start a new thread or keep going until this reaches 100. the votes alone should kick it up there.
Charlie Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 8:27 AM EST
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While you guys are on the Film Noir mindset (if you are) go and rent/buy an old film directed by Stanley Kubrick called "The Killing" with starring Sterling Hayden (his best role), Marie Windsor and all time film noir stool pidgeon, creep, etc Elisha Cook, Jr. This is a gritty, dirty, low life, heist movie that has some great twists and a really fun ending! One great movie! Charlie
joeswift Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 9:03 AM EST
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Good Morning Charlie,

I've got to agree with you all the way Charlie about "The Killing". It was Kubrick's second film and made me a life long fan of the great Sterling H. Also, if you are in the mood, there is Kubrick's first film done two years before (1954) titled "The Killer's Kiss" staring nobody of any importance but it's woth a look just the same.
Charlie Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 10:23 AM EST
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"The Killers Kiss" is another film that is worth viewing, but not as good as "The Killing"! I am a big fan of the Film Noir genre and one of my all time favorite films would be "LA Confidential" a film noir that won several Academy Awards, that very well could have been shot in Black and White! Another great movie of this same flavor is "Touch of Evil" with Orson Welles and Charlton Heston. Of course there are so many great films in this grouping: "Key Largo", "High Sierra", "Out of the Past", "Double Indemnity", "Laura", "Kiss Me Deadly", "The Maltese Falcon" just to name a few!!!!!!!!!!!! Charlie
joeswift Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 10:39 AM EST
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You have me awe Charlie. You can name all the winners from our generation. Oh, you know "Hombre" with Paul Newman don't you. Do you remember the Mexican vacero who was in Richard Boon's gang, who shot and killed poor old Paul? That guy was the ganster lead in "The Killer's Kiss"
Charlie Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 10:51 AM EST
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The great Films of the 40's were before my time, but I am a "student" of the film noir genre and really enjoy the black and white, smoke filled screen, with hard boiled characters and femme fatales such as Jane Greer, Rhonda Fleming, Joan Crqwford, Bettye Davis, Veronica Lake and Lauren Bacall for example! Charlie
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#77 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 11:07 AM EST
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I'm a fan and student of our great American film history too. I was born in 1944(can you say Old Fart) and I saw all of those films you named at my local theater during my younger years. I really miss them now. The stuff they make in Hollywood today leaves cold for the most part. Oh there are exceptions to this but those are not common. I live out here in the country and have the sat. dish and I hardly ever watch the thing because I usualy can't find something I'm interested in. If you've got some suggestions, I'm certainly open to them.
eleltea Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 4:18 PM EST
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Lizbeth Scott. "Johnny Eager". Burt Lancaster in that b&w Hemingway short story adaptation, wasn't that also called The Killers? Anyone remember Rita Hayworht singing The Blue Pacific Blues from Miss Sadie Thompson? Anyone see it in 3-D? Oooooooooh.
eleltea Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 5:10 PM EST
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Got excited and mispelled Hayworth.
calavera Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 5:59 PM EST
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If you like film noir, check out "Detour". I don't know if it is popular or obscure (I had never heard of it before I saw it), and I don't think that any of the actors are very famous, but it has the great elements of film noir.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 11:23 PM EST
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joeswift: rod stieger in "across the bridge" 1957. almost impossible to find, but worth searching for. bogart in "the black legion"
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2002, 11:25 PM EST
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of course like touch of evil, the third man.
joeswift Offline
#83 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 4:05 AM EST
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Thanks for the info eleltea, calavera and Rick. I'm going to check-em out and get back to you with reviews so I'm off now to stock up on my pop corn. joe
Charlie Offline
#84 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 12:01 PM EST
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Detour is in the National Film Registry and was considered the best of the "B" movies, a really great Film Noir, and hard as hell to find!!!! I have looked for it and cannot find the damn thing! Check out some of Hitchcock's old B & W's such as "Strangers on a Train" and "Shadow of Doubt"!!! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#85 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 12:05 PM EST
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Along the film noir lines, I think "Out of the Past" is the very, very best of the genre it was sadly remade by Taylor Hackford as "Against All Odds" in 1984 and was not a bad movie, but an insult to "Out of the Past"! Mitchum was great in Out of the Past and if you haven't seen it, find it and watch it! It runs on AMC and TCM's about every 3 to 4 months! Charlie
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#86 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 2:30 PM EST
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Thanks for the input Charlie. "Detour" is not a film that I have even heard about, much less seen (just goes to show ya who the REAL film student is). I'll start scouting the really good video store up in Austin the next time I'm up in town. I was just up there today too looking for another a/c for my workshop but the vidoe store wasn't on the menue. It's about a 50 minute drive each way up there so I limit my time in Austin accordingly...next time for sure. joe
calavera Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 4:12 PM EST
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I saw 'Detour' in a class that I took my senior year in college. The professor was a huge film noir buff, and he got me hooked. If you like film noir, check out books by Jim Thompson. 'The Killer Inside Me' is about as hard boiled as they come. It was made into a not so good movie starring Stacey Keach. 'Pop. 1280' was almost as good, and it was made into a very good movie (that happens to be in French). 'The Grifters' is also a great book, and it was made into an okay movie starring John Cusack.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#88 Posted: Sat, Apr 27 2002, 10:12 PM EST
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calavera i have been looking for "population 1280" for many years since i read the short story. if you have a copy and can dup it or tell me where i can get one, i would be a happy camper. jim thompson was the best of the bunch at that time, unfortunately for him, spillane was the popular author.
calavera Offline
#89 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2002, 7:50 AM EST
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Rick: I'll see if I can find a copy of the movie around. Stay tuned and I'll let you know.
Charlie Offline
#90 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2002, 10:58 AM EST
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John Dahl is a director who is a modern day film noir maker, if you have not seen "Red Rock West" or "The Last Seduction" you should check them out! Red Rock West is one of Nick Cage's best films and is a real sleeper! He also made the mega hit film "Rounders"! Dahl is a great writer/director and should not be taken lightly! Charlie
jd1 Offline
#91 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2002, 12:59 PM EST
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My brother used to keep oscars in his fish tank..suckers get big then you have to feed 'em guppies and goldfish, then just about anything your dog won't eat..they got to be a nice pan-size...rigged a little pole and fished one out..don't worry; it was catch and release...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#92 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2002, 5:05 PM EST
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jd1 huh!
joeswift Offline
#93 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2002, 5:57 PM EST
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Hey Charlie, who stared in The Last Seduction? I saw Red Rock West sometime ago and thought it was a good film. You're right about Cages's performance too. I can't remember him doing anything better, especially lately.
JonR Offline
#94 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2002, 7:24 PM EST
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Yo joeswift how about "Leaving LasVegas" Cage won best actor oscar. JonR
joeswift Offline
#95 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2002, 3:38 AM EST
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Sorry Jon I didn't see it, or the Oscar's when he won it. I'm a workaholic and most of my time is spoken for, so I have a lot of blanks to fill in. That's why I pester you guys for the input. Anyway, I won't pass it up the next time I see it on the "menue". Thanks, joe
Charlie Offline
#96 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2002, 7:44 PM EST
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Last Seduction starred Linda Fiorntino,Bill Pullman and Peter Berg! Fiorentio won several awards for her roll as the femme fatale'! Really good movie but not as good as Red Rock West! The studio tried to get her nominated for Academy Award for best actress, but since it was made originally for HBO before being a movie release, couldn't get the nomination for her! Stirred up lots of arguments in LA and the film community! Charlie
eleltea Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, May 1 2002, 2:03 PM EST
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Body Heat and Payback are a couple of my favorite more recent movies that owe debts to the genre.
Charlie Offline
#98 Posted: Wed, May 1 2002, 4:11 PM EST
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Payback is one of Gibson's best roles!!!! Charlie
calavera Offline
#99 Posted: Fri, May 3 2002, 4:50 PM EST
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Rick: sorry, but Pop. 1280 is a no go. The professor that taught the class that I watched it in has left. The copy of the movie that he had was his and not the University's, and the department does not have a copy. None of the video stores in my area have a copy.
Well, I tried.
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#100 Posted: Fri, May 3 2002, 6:40 PM EST
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calavera: it was called coup de torchon. i will spend tonight looking for it with subtitles.
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