I agree with the "I don't care about winning" idea and it works! 1. They will always put the same item back up for bid. 2. Put what you are willing to pay and no more! 3. Don't be so damn competitive that you are insulted when topped and you just got to outdo that bidder! I won a bundle of Indian Tabacs for over 50% below the CI catalog price, sure beats "winning" the La Luna LHB offering that I paid 2 bucks more than CI price before I decided to let them go! Chin up and have fun and if you overbid, I am all for you guys and gals that do, because that keeps the CB offerings coming! Charlie