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joeswift Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2001
Posts: 37
Hey guys, I read in the paper yesterday, that the boys in the Pentagon went ballistic when Don Rumsfeld came out against the Crusader howitzer weapons system that has been in developement fot this past decade. The Crusader is a VERY impressive 155mm tracked cannon that can shoot 8 rounds at a 22 mile range in one minute's time and can immediately move off so as to defeat counter battery fire from the enemy. The only problem with it, is that it weighs about as much as an Abrams battle tank (60 tons) and that fact limits it's air deliverly to distant battle fields in times of emergency and it's ultimate mobility due to the lack of bridges and infrastructure that are capable of supporting it's weight(the same problem that the Abrams faces). This is a weapon that was designed for the battle fields of cold war Europe and in today's strategic enviornment of brush fire wars and the need for rapid forward deployment of troops and weapons in emergency situations, it seems to me and apparently Rumsfeld too, that it isn't a good way to spend our defense money. We have the Paladin tracked 155 mm howitzer which is as accurate as the Crusader but not as capable as far as the rate of fire (4rounds per minute at an 18 mile range) and it paid for and in the arsenal as we type. Is this a case of some "near retirement" Generals in the Pentagon looking for future jobs in the private sector defense industry, or is it an honest effort of the Army to keep up with legitimate defense needs? Which ever it is, it's going to be paid for out of our pockets. So I guess the question is, is the Crusader a "Best Buy" or not?
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
I am all for the Crusader, after seeing the clip last night on news with that thing firing and the targeting is also "smart" targeting and can change targets in the firing time without any hesitation! Looks like just the thing to smoke the tow--lheads out of the hills, by removing the hills and all! Charlie
joeswift Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2001
Posts: 37
It sure is an impressive gun Charlie. (More info www.army-technology.com/porject/crusader) My question is will it fit the mission of the future? It's too heavy to be effective on most of the battle fields of the future other than desserts and I don't think that Saddam will allow us time enough to build up our forces in sufficient numbers to be 100 % effective this time, so time is going to be a vital factor if we take on Saddam for the final round. And the tow-heads don't seem to want to group themselves together for us to fight in a conventional way. They just perfer to work in the shadows and not confront our strengths but rather our weaknesses. The gun weighs 39 tons and it's support waggon weights 41 tons. One C-5 can carry only one gun system at a time. Also, it will cost 10 or 11 billion dollars to deploy. I can see that kind of expenditure for a nuke carrier complete with task force but for an artillery system of limited mission capability, I think it is not a wise use of our defense dollars.
JonR Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
KILL KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eleltea Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Classical tactical Napoleonic warfare died in WWII. No more clean, uniformed toy soldiers lined up on opposite sides of green, grassy battlefields. No more tank to tank combat by boy genius gentlemen warriors maneuvering in the Sahara. No more Sopwith Camels and flying scarves. No more noble and gallant foes. We will fill the air with impossibly expensive planes, drones and missles and our dirty, barefoot enemies will strap $1.95 bombs to their bodies and kill our wives and children in movie theatres. We are in for it with our $60 billion dollar war toys. Not that I am pessimistic. Who was it, Hemingway or Patton? who said the soldiers in the next 'great' war will die like dogs for no good reason.
xrundog Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2002
Posts: 2,212
Point is: Rumsfeld directed the program be halted. The people responsible disregarded that order. I expect there will be some "retirements" over this. When the boss says to cease and desist, that is what you do. I think he (Rumsfeld) felt the program was throwing good money after bad. I am reminded of the Marine Corp vertical take off jet that was killing marines a few years back. The generals need cushy defense contractor jobs when they retire.
Charlie Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
The Generals have the cushiest of deals going by being an "expert" analyst on the cable news channels! They must line up and fight for those talking head jobs! Charlie
JonR Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
The year was 2000 there was two crashes twenty-three Marines died what a shame,no generals died what a shame. JonR USMC 1961-1965
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