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Air Force colonel susp after bad-mouthing Bush
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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i can't remember who corrected the navy man who was posting stuff against bush and identifing himslef. you may have saved the guys ass. good for you.
Charlie Offline
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Rick, I cannot remember his name either, but he was an active duty Navy man! It is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice to give away secrets, position of ships at sea, etc and to speak against your Government among other things! JAG takes this seriously and they should especially in time of war! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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only congress can declare war.
esplendidoschick Offline
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Wasn't it 'cttmr'? Hope he's okay. Maybe he's under lurking status, or just using another name to post with? If not he should.
xrundog Offline
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Rick, you are thinking of [email protected]. He was a bit harsh but his point was valid. The senior military guys should be especially careful. The troops hear that stuff and it could foster dissent. Dissent is okay in free society but ya can't have it in the military. I think that Colonel will be retiring soon. If he is lucky.
JonR Offline
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Where's Ollie North when we need him? JonR
GTofMurphy Offline
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I recall that during the Clinton "dog years" some General or Col. in the military was forced to leave the military when he called Clinton a " ...a pot smoking, draft dodging, lying, womanizer" ..."

Being CORRECT is no excuse and he paid the price. You can not have this type of thing tolerated in the military
esplendidoschick Offline
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That's why all of us citizens can spout off about what a prick Clinton is...LOL! Freedom of speech baby!
jjohnson28 Offline
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"is" not was,is the operative word isn't it E.LOL
From what I understand the military is still free to speak they're minds,just not while proclaiming to represent active duty personel.
Charlie Offline
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Oh Rick, here you go again......I guess flying aircraft filled with civilians into WTC and Pentagon is not an act of war! What is it? An act of Picnicing or socail misbehavior? You need to get off of your hate of President Bush and think as an American citizen who could be zapped at any moment by one of these non war events! Back to your hummingbirds and flowers and enjoy your freedoms! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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char5353--perhaps you do not understand other countries can declare war on us like the japanese dec 7, but only our congress can declare war.---------- than let the congress declare war.-------- it has nothing to do with any president "ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR."------- comprende?
met00 Offline
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There is a war? Holy cow! When was it declared? I mean Congress is the only body that can declare a war, so I went to the Senate and house sites and coyuld find nothing on a war being declared.

THERE IS NO WAR.

The Bush Administration was given the authority to go after those terrorists responsible for the actions of Sept. 11, 2001. They were not granted the authority to nake war.

This war is no different from the war on poverty, the war on drugs or the war on getting blowjobs from interns. It's bullcrap. It is being used by the Bush Administration to keep secrets. It is being used to justify the rape of our economy and the creation of new debt that will ensure that we will never be able to pay it off. It is all a big lie.

Yes, terrorism is "a very bad thing"(tm). And as we can see from the many recent releases to the news media, our government was on top of the terrorists at the field agent level. They did not need expanded police powers that were given to them when the AG lied to the Congress and got his USA PATRIOT Act. Bringing back CONTELPRO is not going to make America safer.

Considering the AG lied under oath to Congress, just why is he still employed (since lying under oath is a "high crime and misdomeanor")? In fact, he is not the first Administration official to have lied under oath to Congress, that belongs to Ted Olson who said he had nothing to do with the AK project. He isn't the second, that belongs to "Enron" White, Sec of the Army. So, if lying under oath is such a "high crime and misdomeanor", just what are these three guys still doing in the employ of the People of the United States. If we could impeach a President for lying under oath in a private case deposition, surely these people should be canned for lying under oath to Congress about things that effect the Anerican people. An what about Pitt at the SEC?

On the positive side Milberg Weiss will be calling on Cheney to testify about his actions as CEO of an oil company that seems to have cooked the books a bit while he was running the show. It looks like the GOPs pushing for Paula Jones to be prosecuted against a sitting President is going to come back to haunt them. Bye ******.
esplendidoschick Offline
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We all need our Small Pox vacs...too many kooks out there...Coockoo-coockoo!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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met00-----welcome aboard. there is something about smoking cigars that makes most of the right wing ninny's on this board forget reality.---char5353 i repeat i don't hate bush, he is just a grown up spoiled brat, without an original thought in his brain, but like elmer fudd, with the correct words put in his mouth by his handlers, he can be transformed into charlie mccarthy (who could hold his own with wc fields).----unfortunately the democrats don't have the balls to put up the kind of fight the right wing does, down and dirty. newt, who divorced his first wife while she was dying of cancer and is now trading in his current for the younger model, is still speaking on tv, as though he had any personal integrity and could shed light on anything. wait till the republicans start on kerry when he runs.----i didn't miss the(tm).
Charlie Offline
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met00 you and Rick, a kindly misinformed individual, need each other to support your anti-Bush drabble to the fullest. While Rick is a nice person, he just takes the Left viewpoint and believes it is all gospel! Yes, I am aware that Congress has to declare war! I went to school and know that 2 plus 2 is 3 whoops, meant 4! But with folks crashing airplanes into our country and killing scores of innocent civilians kinda seems like something more than a police action! Now as to an AG lying and keeping a job......hello Mr J. Reno! How short your liberal memory seems to be when it comes to making a point! The two of you keep cheering for the terrorist and we will hope that they are all killed and sent to Hell! I am going to go smoke a Montecristo today and be happy that we have Elmer Fudd, oopps GWB in the White House, becuase he is the first President in last few years to actually do something besides force himself on women and then lie like hell to the American public! You guys talk about lying and forget about your favorite leader, Bill Clinton! Charlie
JonR Offline
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Question: If we impeached every politician (city, state, and federal) that ever knowingly lied to the American people how many do you think would be left. JonR
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: JonR ---more than enough.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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char5353----i don't believe i've seen a post from met00, or is it metOO. i don't see all this stuff you made up about "you keep cheering for the terrorist", but it is a republican tactic, put words in someones mouth and make him look the fool because he said whatever, even though he didn't say it. show me where either one of us has cheered the terrorist.---"But with folks crashing airplanes into our country and killing scores of innocent civilians kinda seems like something more than a police action." what is your point?---until congress declares war, we are not at war.---what the hell does reno have to do with this maniac ashcroft (almost went for asscroft, but did not want to bring myself down to that level). what do these 2 have to do with meese.---what do your pres and clinton have to do with nixon or truman or eisenhower, a man who never made more than $150,000 a year and left an estate in excess of $5,000,000. not to mention, but i will, his liaison with his female driver. cliches do not win an argument. i will now light up a cheap la habanera as befits this discussion.
esplendidoschick Offline
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JonR-don't forget about the ones that have over-taxed us, under represented us and, oh yeah, who WAS the last one to get us out of debt? Rick, GWB surely isn't to blame for all of that! I know you can rattle off a zillion things you believe he IS responsible for, I'm just asking-who got us into this mess and WHY didn't the almighty Clinton/Gore gang get us out?
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e: may i call you that or would you prefer esplendidoschick? when clintin left, we had a suplus. i never blamed w for anything. read all my posts, i didn't blame him for 9/11 or the current deficit. i simply called him an idiot. please quote anything i said blaming him for anything.
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Allow me: "we might never have had a 911 if he (Nader) had been president, a post he will never hold. if however mccain had won, i don't think we would be at war now because we might not have had a 911." This is one of many quotes where you imply Bush is to blame for 9/11. When you suggest that 9/11 doesn't happen if another candidate were elected, then you are blaming Bush for the event. Backwards, yes, but we're used to that from any twisted Liberal. You've got the gall to criticize and complain without the balls to say what you really mean. (I was going to use "intestinal fortitude", but thought the "gall/balls" wordplay reads better)... For the record, the above quote was from a post last november.
esplendidoschick Offline
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Pow! Splat! Whoosh! Kaboom! Same bat time, same bat channel! And yes love, you may call me E...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater----i am so glad that you think enough of me to go back a year to find my posts.----"When you suggest that 9/11 doesn't happen if another candidate were elected, then you are blaming Bush for the event. Backwards, yes, but we're used to that from any twisted liberal."----all liberals are twisted, therefore anyone twisted is a liberal.--let me rephrase
my post.----there is enough evidence surfacing that the bush amalgamation either didn't know what was happening, didn't know what to do, or didn't give a sh**. no, i don't hate the little bugger and i don't think he is a bad person or evil. i just think he is a dumb ass, managed by some really rotten and evil people. i believe his handlers and the rnc will start slinging lies and bs about kerry as soon as he announces. i think however, the country is full of dopes, excuse me, twisted dopes, that will still vote for him like they did for reagan's second term, believing him to be the second coming. i believe the next presidential election will be watched so closely by the media, the election will not be stolen again.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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e-------if you say it slowly, anmd listen to it's echo, it becomes a pleasant hum in the brain.---a mantra.
Charlie Offline
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Well, Rick, sounds like you are "crabbing" trying to keep from being pinned for some of your blasts from the past! My favorite of your indescretions would be the Bush as Hitler post on Picture post! Yes, I am sure SuperNader would have stopped the slimy cowards who caused 9/11 in mid air! Maybe Gore would have negotiated a trade with them for the airplanes and hostages...NOT! You are too old to tell to grow up, so fahgedaboutit!!!!!!!!!! Charlie
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Wow! Some nasty comments about Nader! The guy has been an advocate of the people since the 60's. He's one smart guy. Princeton(?) educated, a lawyer. If he tells you something, you should believe it is true(truth aint subjective, it is absolute). The thing is...he has very little charisma. His blunt style chafes people. His character however, is beyond question. Can we say the same for GWB. Don't bother with the Clinton remarks. They beg the question. Dang! Start a new topic already!
tailgater Offline
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Rick, true I did a little digging. But to hear you say the lies that you spew onto these pages and go unchecked is a shame. Your posts are thought provoking and relevant, if not misguided. But please stop the blatant untruths. And X, to suggest that GW is low on moral fiber in comparason to Nadar is impossible to rationalize unless you know both personally. True, Bush has his storied past. But Nader has become perhaps the biggest hypocrit in the world. He simultaneously opposes big corporations while growing rich from it. He uses the very same tax shelters that he claims to abhor. I guess the only thing he truly hates is capitalism.
xrundog Offline
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Gater, I may have an overly idealized vision of Nadar, true. I don't know much about him personally. I wasn't necessarily suggesting GWB is low on moral fiber. Although considering my previous posts, that's a logical conclusion. I was wondering if GWB posesses the positive attributes I percieve in Nadar. I did not say he doesn't. You seemed to draw that conclusion yourself!
PETERCOB Offline
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metOO --so we are not at war? Well I live in Brooklyn N.Y. & work in law enforcement. I have been to Ground Zero. Let me tell you WE ARE AT WAR!!!!!!!!!!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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xrundog ---the only fiber bush has comes from his metamucil.----i believe his daughters are proof of his "positive attributes."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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PETERCOB ---1 used to live in the projects under the 59th street in queens. 42-01 vernon blvd, apt 4b. nice neighborhood than. we all know we are at war with terror. all the discusions were point of law. we can fight, and bomb, and kill, but unless congress declares it a war, it is legally not a war.
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Lookin at his daughters I'd have to agree,they do have some mighty fine attributes.So what your saying Rick is anybody who has normal,rebelious 17+18+19 yr kids is a failure as a parent? Rick you are a dipsh*t of the highest order.
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GWB's teen-age daughters are no different than any other rebellious teens in our day and age. The fact that they are the daughter's of a sitting President simply magnifies the situation. It did for Chelsea Clinton although her father and mother clearly outshined her minimal discretions, as it did for Amy Carter and a host of other Presidential children. The Bush's seem to be fine and honorable parents!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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: jjohnson28 ---if you think getting fake id's and getting drunk at any age especially 17 and 18 and 19 is normal rebellion you certainanly have the standards set low.---in george's case, considering his life style as a youngster, his daughters behaivior seems perfectly normal. and what are these mighty fine attributes his daughters have? -----me a dip****, no, i just set higher standards for my kids.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Todog --"The Bush's seem to be fine and honorable parents!"---you must be joking.
jjohnson28 Offline
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How nice for you Rick.
Charlie Offline
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Rick here you go taking your "normal" shot at GWB! And to say he is some kind of an immoral person after the 8 years we put up with previous to this administration is probably the most innane remark you have posted on the board. No, I take that back and say remarks, because you continually slash and swipe at the President! I am glad to know that you have such wonderful moral fiber otherwise! I didn't even call you a dip or whatever! Charlie
Charlie Offline
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Upon further review, I must also add that it is stupid and reprehensible to even bring up the "We Are Not at War" or "Only Congress Can Declare War" cards when we are in the WAR or FIGHT to protect our country that we are in today! Terrorist are trying to dismantle the USA and we have citizens saying things like we should not racially profile or we are not officially at War........STUPID. I agree that you should go visit ground zero and then post such a blantantly absurd statement! 2,000 plus civilians from all over the world lost their lives on 9/11 to a group of trash in the name of their "God"! At least 85 to 90% of the US citizens support the WAR on Terror! Charlie
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Charlie, the reason people are pointing out that we are not at war is because, as I'm sure you know, the Gov. has special powers during war. Certain civil rights are suspended. That's fine IN TIME OF WAR. We aren't at war so I do not like the Gov. playing fast and loose with the Costitution you and I swore to protect. Call it what it is. Military action, punitive countermeasures, terrorist neutralization. It's important to be accurate when constitutional issues are at stake.
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RICKAMAVEN... Let's see, here are some examples liberal minded/simple minded "higher standard" world you and people like you want to bring the US to:

* Abortions on demand without parents’ knowledge
* ACLU supported porn access in libraries for children
* Free education, medical care and welfare for illegal
* Government run medical system. Go to Europe and see how bad it can be
* The most corrupt Administration (Clinton) in history
* Tax system that penalizes successful people in the free market economy
* Support of corporate blackmail by the "poverty pimps" like the Rev. Jesse Jackson and others
* Unlimited supply of scum bags like the Clintons
and Gary Condit
* More liberal judges that feel they can make new laws from the bench
* A party (DNC) that wants bigger govt. because they feel they can make better choices than individuals can
* A party that feels it is acceptable to get BJ's in the oval office from interns
* A party that feels it is acceptable for the Prez to lie while being deposed
* A party that controlled Congress for 40+ years that resulted in bigger government and bigger debt. It wasn't until the Republicans were in control that welfare reform came too be and the debt went away
* Support of Abortion programs but no support alternatives like adoption

So you can keep starting these threads with your liberal BS but I know , I like most “Americans” don’t want your liberal dream/nightmare for the US to ever come true
esplendidoschick Offline
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War: 1 word...KOREA
justforfun Offline
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GT: You must've hit the nail on the head. I haven't seen a response yet from Rick????? What's Up Rick????
You have to admit that Rick's completely liberal biases are funny, sometimes entertaining, and most times bordering the preposterous, but still entertaining.

Here's some interesting facts about Democrats: Korean "WAR" -- President was Truman, a Democrat; Vietnam "WAR" -- President who set the groundwork was Kennedy, and the President who escalated it out of control to the point of failure, was Johnson, both Democrats (this war was, ironically, ended by a Republican President, Nixon); only two Presidents ever to have been impeached were, amazingly enough, Democrats (Andrew Johnson, and most recently the cigar abuser - Clinton)(at least Nixon, who I had the pleasure of voting against twice in my life, had the common sense, decency, and strength to do the right thing by stepping down before the impeachment process began). We are presently at WAR, and Rick, if you don't believe it, maybe you should move to Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, (you name it) and see how long you survive.

On a more local note Rick, are you going to vote for Diane Finestein when she runs for Pres? or do you prefer Barbara Boxer? This frightening thought almost makes Jesse look good, doesn't it? Just think Johnnie Cochran could be Sec of Defense, and Al Sharpton could be Director of Homeland Security. AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
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The US has not fought in a declared war since WWII. The korean War, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama and Desert Storm were not declared wars, but they were military conflicts on a large scale. The president has the power as commander in cheif to use the military at his discression without the approval of congress. If George W wanted to launch a nuclear attack on Iraq he could do it right now. It would not be a declared war, but it could be done. The war powers act does limit the length of time the president can use these powers, and it was written in response to the Vietnam quagmire (sp). The second reason we do not declare war on a whim is that it is messy to end a declared war. This involves treaties and negotiations that almost certainly follow unconditional surrender by one side or another. There is not easy way out, like we took in Vietnam. Sometimes the presidential action is the most efficient way to takle a weak adversary.
E-Chick Offline
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Carm...thanks for backing up my one word...my dad was in the USMC during the Korean "conflict"...those men & women NEVER got their props...my hat's off to that group in particular!
Charlie Offline
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Hey guys, it seems that the Liberal Left and Democrats are all one and the same in one messy twisted web! They mewl and scream foul when they have their feelings hurt and then thump their chest when they spend megabillions on some swamp irragation system to benefit the "American People". Interesting point about us not being in a declared war since WWII. Knew that but had not thought much about it, in my book we are in War now, and if they are too stupid to understand that-send their ignorant asses to the Middle East and let them see for themselves! Charlie
E-Chick Offline
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Hoo-rah!
SteveS Offline
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WAR n ...
1. an armed conflict between countries or groups that involves killing and destruction ...
2. a period of armed conflict ...
3. the techniques or the study of the techniques of armed conflict ...
4. any serious struggle, argument, or conflict between people ...
5. an effort to eradicate something harmful
... ...
vi ...
1. to engage in an armed conflict with somebody ...
2. to be involved in a serious disagreement with somebody or a struggle to combat or eradicate something ...

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Synonyms:
combat, warfare, fighting, confrontation, hostilities, battle

... ... ... a cursory reading of war's dictionary definition shows that the US is clearly at war, just not a congressionally DECLARED war ... "Police Action" was the term the Truman administration used to describe what we were doing in Korea in an effort to make it a less bitter pill for the public to swallow, having just completed a very draining global war and to skirt the issue of perhaps having Congress become balky at engaging in that "Police Action" ... it's a ploy used by Presidents of both parties since that time ... without a discussion of any of our past "armed conflicts" and their merits or the lack of them, I want to say that I am in full and total support of the current administration's war on terrorism ... IMNSHO, the US has dilly-dallied and shilly-shallied for FAR too long a time, talking and acting as though the sponsors of terror will somehow come to be reasonable if we only educate them better or feed them more fully, talk sweetly to them or kiss their (expletive deleted) or other anatomical regions ... and that is just plain unvarnished BULLSH** !!! ... we waited to deal with these shiite-heads until they flew airplanes into our buildings and would've done worse if their plans had all worked out ... we've discovered that another plan yet to be acted out, called for a "dirty bomb" to be set off somewhere in the US (and where?? at the Space Needle in Seattle? at the Golden Gate Bridge in SF? at Disneyland, Disneyworld, the Alamo, Wrigley Field, the Boardwalk or atop Bunker Hill????) ... the bleeding hearts are in full voice to accord the guy arrested in this case all his "rights" ... I say f*** him! he gave up those rights when he signed on with those who would destroy America ... same as little mister TalibanBoy from Marin ... these guys knew exactly what they were up to and they had the bad luck (good luck for us) to get caught ... they had no plan to grant us our rights, but to destroy us ... I am NOT in favor of some ubiquitous police state, but I AM fully supportive of using all necessary means to root out and eliminate every single vestige of those who plot terrorist acts ... we can go feed, educate and hug the remaining innocents such as the horribly abused women of Afghanistan, once the war is over ...
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I know I rule this forum, but you guys are right and I have officially slid down the isle to the right. I no linger caucas with the left.


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E-Chick Offline
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Wow Steve! My sentiments EXACTLY! Welcome to the 'RIGHT' side Rick!
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Thanks E-chick...it's good to be "right".
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