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bullwinkle Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 6:32 AM EST
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Are there any members out there in the law enforcement community? Gotta quick question..
Finneous Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:14 AM EST
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I currently work as a Corrections Officer and did serve as a County Deputy about 10 years ago.

What is it that you wanted to ask ? (if I qualify).
xibbumbero Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:14 AM EST
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Does being arrested alot of times count? X
Finneous Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:32 AM EST
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I suppose being "in the community" of law enforcement could mean that one served jail time. LOL
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:40 AM EST
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While I am not in law enforcement, I have a son and two good friends who are ... the law, of course, varies somewhat from state to state and while none of them are in TX, they might be able to offer you information that would be relevant to TX ... send me an e-mail if you like, outlining what you'd like to know ...

[email protected]
E-Chick Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:40 AM EST
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You have the right to remain silent...



I suggest pleading the 5th and speaking with an attorney...



Is there an attorney in the house?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 8:53 AM EST
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: bullwinkle --i am holding my breath. what is the question?????
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 8:53 AM EST
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: bullwinkle --i am holding my breath. what is the question?????
rookie139 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 9:11 AM EST
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You can email me if you need to: [email protected]...My screenname is old...I've been a cop now for 5 years
bullwinkle Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 9:28 AM EST
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Now Rick, nothing controversial...Two questions actually..I had the opportunity to train with Houston PDs SWAT team, and got flashed with a 'practice flashbang' (I'd hate to see what the real ones do to you)...My question is, are these available to civilians (the practice ones)...Other question was about is about pistol ownership...I was told by a friend, that a closing manager of a store, I am allowed to carry a handgun without a concealed liscence...That doesn't sound right to me..
Mr.Mean Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 9:58 AM EST
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Where would you not look for a body.
GetYourOwn Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 11:12 AM EST
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Question 1. That depends on your view of the "right to bear arms" Some of my friends feel that you should have the right to own ANY weapon the government owns. How else can you rise up against an unwanted government if you don't have the same weapons as they do. Go to a gun show and if you can buy one there it is legal to own. But carrying it would depend on the officer that sees you. (You are not supposed to carry anything that can be deemed as a deadly weapon. A baseball bat in your car can get you arrested if they want you.)
Question 2. You need to take a course and get a permit to carry a consealed handgun. Legally you can carry your guns in your hand in any place that does not have a sign up stating otherwise. But, it is not wise to do this.(You can also own any carry a butcher knife. But carry it into your local post office and see what happens..) You can have a gun in your store without the permit but you should take the course to prevent problems with lawyers if you should shoot a robber. I will take my .44 in my glovebox on our vacation and leave the ammo in the trunk. This is legal.
Things have changed over the years. When I was 14 I walked into K-mart with my rifle so I could make sure I bought the right ammo. No one gave me a second look. Many of my fellow high schoolers had rifles on the rifle rack of their pick-ups while they were at school.
I have 2 pistols and 2 rifles. If you teach your kids to respect the guns they are great. But, those darn neighbor kids can snoop around and find one. Use the trigger locks. HA HA aint Texas wonderful. Some of you aint never seen a real gun. (shouldnt this be on the political board or sumthin?)
GetYourOwn Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 11:24 AM EST
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I re read your second part. I thought the store was yours. If you do not own the store you had better get a permit. The course is cheap and you are more credible if a situation arrises. The system may let you get away with a slap on the wrist if you shoot someone but, the criminals lawyer may sue you for reckless use of a deadly weapon. (They will claim that the robber was a customer that just wanted to get some formula for his baby but the store was closing.)
Finneous Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 11:48 AM EST
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Bullwinkle you wrote:

"Now Rick, nothing controversial...Two questions actually..I had the opportunity to train with Houston PDs SWAT team, and got flashed with a 'practice flashbang' (I'd hate to see what the real ones do to you)...My question is, are these available to civilians (the practice ones)..."

Answer: No, not at least the ones available to LEO's and SWAT elements. The cyclinder that you saw (I'm assuming it was black) is actually the case for what is inside (the charge). The charges, both practice and actual service charge of the DDD(Diversionary Distraction Device) along with the body are to be registered with the ATF as a class explosive and therefore accountable inventory. And as one who has trained with the standard issue DDD, the real ones are no ladyfingers. They will blind and disorient even those who "expect" them when they explode.

"the other question was about is about pistol ownership...I was told by a friend, that a closing manager of a store, I am allowed to carry a handgun without a concealed liscence...That doesn't sound right to me."

Answer: Depending on your State laws: However, most States except DC (is that a State anyway?) allow for private carry of legally owned sidearms while on your premises. More than likely the stipulation being that it is holstered or worn in full view. Again, CHECK WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRST. Concealed carry laws are for outside of your domicile or business. At least for now, many the law abiding may still protect their loved ones and their lives (lets hope it stays that way).

Good luck.
Dishman Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 12:26 PM EST
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FFinch is correct, atleast in Virginia. May I also emphasize, CHECK YOUR STATE LAWS/CODES in reference to wearing a handgun at work. As far as the distraction devices are concered, the ATF closely monitors and inventories these munitions. Each spoon has a serial number on it, that when used must be submitted quarterly to the ATF. I know as a team leader of my organizations S.R.T. that it can be a giant pain in the a$$ when one of these spent spoons come up missing.
rookie139 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 12:45 PM EST
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FFinch is on the money, but obviously state laws vary regarding carrying firearms at your business
bullwinkle Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 1:39 PM EST
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Thanks for the info guys..I don't think I'd ever want to be on the recieving end of a full blown DDD..The ones they were using looked much like the real deal (as far as I could tell anyways), and they packed a helluva punch for 'practice' munitions...LOL...
E-Chick Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 1:55 PM EST
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Uh, there's not a SINGLE mention of cigar related material in these posts...where the **** is Slimboli?



But, I have a cigar related question to put y'all back on track before the evil post police do...could you light the practice flash bang WITH a cigar or is it something that you pull the pin out of? Just wondering...feel free to ignore me...
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 3:40 PM EST
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Another non-cigar related question in the same vein as above... I just moved to California and I brought my handgun with me, in Colorado you don't need to register guns but I am unsure of California laws. Does anyone know what I need to do? Thanks, Chris
jjohnson28 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 3:45 PM EST
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Thanks E,I will....
eleltea Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 4:05 PM EST
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Uh, did you guys ever arrest anyone for unlawful possession of an ISOM?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 5:36 PM EST
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eleltea ---i want to know also.
Slimboli Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 5:54 PM EST
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If I remember correctly ... the first ISOM I ever smoked was gifted/traded to me by a police officer ... ;-)
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#24 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 6:14 PM EST
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Just a guess- You probably could not be charged and convicted with possession of an ISOM because they would have to prove that it is real. But if you are trying to sell it as an ISOM then you can get charged even if it is fake.
Example: You can own a bag of flour but if you try to sell it as an illegal substance you will get charged with selling an illegal substance.
Next you guys will tell me that ALL of your computer software is registered and legal.
eleltea Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 6:26 PM EST
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Maybe just one of those internet rumors, but I read somewhere that if customs is in the mood to funk with you, they assume any unbanded cigar is an ISOM. Anyone know the answer to that?

Having said that, I know someone who travels all the time who almost never returns without a few.
bullwinkle Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 7:04 PM EST
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After the training session, I provided all those interested with RyJ Coronitas (from a certain ISOM), does that suffice to put this post on topic? 8-)
xibbumbero Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2002, 9:15 PM EST
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Gee,I wonder who that could be? LOL. X
bullwinkle Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 7:38 AM EST
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I've never had a problem with customs luckily...

'Anything to declare?'

'Just some duty free cigarettes and a box of cigars sir.'

'Ok, welcome home.'
bullwinkle Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 7:40 AM EST
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Rookie and Sarge...What do you guys carry, if you don't mind me asking? I've got an H&K .45USP compact...No CHL yet, as you have to be 21...
Dishman Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 9:59 AM EST
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Duty weapon, Glock 17 (9mm). Back-up Walther PPK .380.
bullwinkle Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 11:05 AM EST
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I never could get used to the feel of a Glock..It just felt...bulky, for lack of a better word..When looking I shot: Sig (9mm), Para Ordanance (.45), several Glocks (9mm, .40), Keltec (.40), several different HKs (all .45), and of those, the HK just felt the best. The compact was juts the right size...Oh yeah, and I was smoking a cigar while I was shooting them (gotta keep this on topic). My next quest is to find a nice shotgun ($500-$1000), any suggestions there?
bullwinkle Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 11:06 AM EST
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I never could get used to the feel of a Glock..It just felt...bulky, for lack of a better word..When looking I shot: Sig (9mm), Para Ordanance (.45), several Glocks (9mm, .40), Keltec (.40), several different HKs (all .45), and of those, the HK just felt the best. The compact was juts the right size...Oh yeah, and I was smoking a cigar while I was shooting them (gotta keep this on topic). My next quest is to find a nice shotgun ($500-$1000), any suggestions there?
mtsheron Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 5:17 PM EST
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State laws vary and you must consult your local sheriff's dept. for conceal question. As far as flash bangs.......why do you want them? They can be pretty damn hazardous to you not to mention they can cause fires to start from their ignition. BTW- Served 7 years to date and currently assigned to drug enforcement task force and work federal OCDETF cases and terrorist matters. Even investigate Senators, Congressman, and yes my favorite........lawyers!
bullwinkle Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 6:15 PM EST
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I help produce paintball scenario games, and thought they would be cool to introduce into the game on a *very* limited and *highly* controlled spectrum...We already use a full range of flares, smoke devices, powders and the like....Wanted to use them was just a passing thought, then I sat down and thought about the pontential dangers to the younger players and the like, and have since discarded the thought..
bullwinkle Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2002, 6:16 PM EST
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We have a team that plays a lot of our events called 'The Whiskey Shooters' and they are all current or former BATF agents..
rookie139 Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2002, 1:47 AM EST
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Duty weapon is a Beretta Centurion 40 Cal..Off duty I (sometimes) carry my Springfield Armory Champion 45 Cal with American Legend grips (beautiful piece!) or my Walther PPK/S 380 cal
rookie139 Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2002, 1:48 AM EST
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H&K USP 45 Cal..Niiiice!...I was considing purchasing one of them!
cwilhelmi Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2002, 9:18 AM EST
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I'm not in Law enforcement, but mine is a Sig P220 45 Cal
bullwinkle Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2002, 10:20 AM EST
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Rookie...the HK is a fantastic piece! I have no regrets in buying it at all, and I can honestly say, that any further pistols I buy will most definately be HK...Now if I could just get that Class 3 lisence and buy myself an MP5 8-)
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#40 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 1:11 PM EST
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FFinch has it right. I have 19 years on the job (ChiPs). Can't smoke stogies in the car though. Galls catalog has a lot of cool cop toys. Sorry to say the flash bangs and other chemical / explosive stuff is off limits. I carry a S/W Model 4006 .40 cal (department issue) Good, rugged, will shoot even after being dropped from 5 ft and covered with mud. Gives up accuracy for durability. But we get 34 chances to hit what we're shootin' at.
thepapa Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 7:51 PM EST
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no in law enforcement either however my weapon of choice is either my 1863 springfield .58 CAL blackpowder firing a miniball or my replica Kentucky .45 CAL black powder pistol shooting a round ball
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#42 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 7:52 PM EST
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heres an extra T left over from the first word I typed. use it accordingly.
thepapa Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 7:54 PM EST
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always spell check.
daveyg2 Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 8:21 PM EST
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I have a HK USP 45 as well. Nice gun. I also have a SIG P228, Beretta M92, Browning HiPower, Glock 23, Colt Python 357 w 8" barrel, Colt Commander 45. I wanna get a HK P7m10 (40 cal) but its kinda expensive. Have used the military version of the HK Mk23 (SOCOM) and loved it, but i dont think that i would like to spend the 1800 on a civi model. Same spec so i hear, but i highly doubt it.
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#45 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 8:24 PM EST
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Are you looking for a semi or manual shotgun? if you are looking for semi and used you can get a Benelli M1 Super 90 for a decent price around 1000 if you look. Also the M3 is sweet. Pump or auto in the same gun. I wouldnt hesitate but its a little expensive but worth every penny
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#46 Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2002, 10:29 PM EST
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bullwinkle or ? if you were interested in a duck/goose hunting shotgun/shooter.I have a Browning Auto 5 w/ 30" full choke barrel in good to very good condition,very low usage with a small crack in the stock(I bought it from a freind this way),crack does not interfere at all with function/shooting would probably sell for $450-$550 sans crack.I'd like to let it go for about 1/2 that in cigars(of my choice) or other compentation. It's a definite shooter not a collectors item but nice none the less and you can easily find either stocks and or multi-choke barrels to suit your needs.Chambered for standard shells or 3" Magnums.Anybody interested email me at Bikenic at netscape.net for more details. thanks, jimbo
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Jul 13 2002, 12:49 AM EST
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doesn't any one use a smith and wesson 38 special any more?
xibbumbero Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Jul 13 2002, 7:41 AM EST
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Yes,in my Colt Python .357. X
bullwinkle Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Jul 13 2002, 8:37 AM EST
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Davey...Benellis are actually what I've been looking at...The M3 seems to be a great gun, but I can't find one anywhere to shoot...I might just say **** it, break down and pay the $1000+ for a Franchi SPAS 12...
daveyg2 Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Jul 15 2002, 10:07 AM EST
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The SPAS12 is nice but i dont think it is as refined or as nicely made as the Benelli series. M3 all the way man. Ive had nothig but great experiences with Benellis. I dont think that you will be disappointed in the least. Besides, the spas12 is bulky and awkward.
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