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All-Star fiasco ...
SteveS Offline
#1 Posted:
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So, Bud got booed by the fans because the All-Star game was suddenly ended without a winner ... at $150+ per seat, I'd say they had a pretty good point, too.

Until the announcment was made, I thought it'd been a damn fine game, but it quickly became anticlimatic following the announcment.

Now the question is not whether Bud resembles a real commissioner about as much as the moon resembles the sun ... that's pretty obvious for anyone to see. The question is, if you or I had been in his spot, given that the managers had run themselves out of pitching and substitute players, could or would we have done any different? If so, what? If not, what can be done to avoid similar fiascos in the future? Or is it really a fiasco at all? Does it matter?
Todog Offline
#2 Posted:
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Can you say STRIKE?
SteveS Offline
#3 Posted:
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I don't think you mean that a strike at the end of the 10th inning on Tuesday would have precluded the problem ...

my question had nothing at all to do with the status of the labor agreement or the validity of the position of either side of the table, but what, if anything, should have been done differently on Tuesday to avoid what did happen or what you think should happen in future in order that this fiasco is not repeated
jazzman Offline
#4 Posted:
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the managers should have used their players more intelligently, saving some for the possibility of extra innings...
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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Jazzy's got a point. Everybody hates Bud so much (and rightfully so) that they ignore the fact that it was the managers who played all their guys in a close game. What were they thinking? It's bull that they wanted to "let everybody play". It's a game, and unless they don't want to keep score they should play like they want to win. Pete Rose would be ashamed...
Todog Offline
#6 Posted:
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Yeah! He never would have bet for a tie!
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted:
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And another thing: Who was that biker chick who butchered the National Anthem? What a disgace. Not only can't she sing in tune, but she screwed up the words. She certainly isn't eye-candy, so what is her real talent?
Todog Offline
#8 Posted:
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We're talking about Milwaukee!
justforfun Offline
#9 Posted:
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baseball has now effectively been skewered (or is that skrewed). not only has the commish lost his testicles, now the overpaid primadonnas are threatening another strike. they lost me, and lots of others i know at the last strike. if they strike now, in combination with the boob that's leading the MLB, then i think baseball as we know it will be history. maybe some of its bigger market cities can cook the books (popular these last few days) to pay some obscene sum of money to a 20 year old while my 401k deflates like a popped balloon.
SteveS Offline
#10 Posted:
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OK ... my answer to my question about the All-Star game is that if I were the commissioner and the two managers were so damn goofy as to have used up all the players, MY ruling would not've been to throw up my hands in confusion and call it a tie as Bud did, but to rule that in this one special instance, due to the extenuating circumstances, all players on the team were eligible for re-entry ...

Now, each side has 21 subs including quite a few pitchers that'd thrown fewere than a dozen pitches ... problem over, 12th inning, here we come.

As for the rest of the problems besetting baseball which all of you are addressing, I have more ideas, but they'll have to wait ... I got other problems to solve this morning.
Todog Offline
#11 Posted:
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Problems like what cigars to smoke for the day and how to entice E-Chick back to this forum?
SteveS Offline
#12 Posted:
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'dog, given the only "half-vast" selection in my humidor, deciding what to smoke is not too great a chore ... as for e-Chick, YOU were the one she was smoochin' through the monitor ... you might be the one best able to get that job done.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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How's about Bud stepping down and Pete Rose intucted into the Hall of Fame. Baseball doesn't need more millionares. It needs to return to it's roots and remember that it's about the game. It's not about agents,contracts,extentions,trades,strikes or unions! If they keep it up there won't be any more baseball and we'll have to watch soccer on tv! They need to pull their collective heads out of their a$$'s and they need to do it now! The game doesn't deserve another strike. Where's the Happy Gilmore of baseball when you need one?
SteveS Offline
#14 Posted:
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you're onto something, Doc ...

First, Bud really has to go ... irrespective of his merits or the lack of them, he does not have the confidence of the players or the fans, whether the owners like him or not. His demeanor during the All-Star game really said "duh, I'm confused" ...

Oddly enough, Bud's actually a pretty smart and capable guy who truly loves baseball for all the right reasons, but he sure doesn't come across that way and is crippled by the consequential perception that he's a fool ... moreover, since he was (and indirectly still is) one of the owners, he has absolutely NO credibility of being neutral ... the great American game is in extreme peril and it's happening on Bud's watch ... you're absolutely right, he's gotta go ...

Pete Rose to the HoF ? ... I say yes. Because of his never ending hustle, Pete was always popular with the fans, although he never was a guy that many found truly likeable ... but super-sized egos sure never began or ended with Pete ... the majority of HoFers are not much different in that regard, the late Splendid Splinter being among those whose self-opinion was pretty much off the top of the charts ... given the fuss made over athletes and other celebrities in our culture and the exceptions that are made for them at every turn, few among us would be as humble as Lou Gehrig was ...

The HoF is not about nice guys, but about brilliant ballplayers and Pete was absolutely one of those ... an All-Star both in the infield and in the outfield, the all-time leader in base hits, his absence diminishes the very validity of the HoF ...

Returning to the roots will be a tough proposition, but if runaway salaries are not contained soon, the game is doomed ... in 1930, only months after the onset of the Great Depression, Babe Ruth was asked by a reporter if he was aware that his salary was more than that of the President ... "sure, I'm having a better year" he replied ... Babe, quite possibly the greatest player in his or ANY game was at the height of his career and was being paid $100K per year (some 40 or 50 times the pay of the average citizen at the time) ...

Today, the AVERAGE salary in baseball ($2.5M) is MORE than 50 times that of the average citizen ... the superstars, despite their less-than-Ruthian stature, are making multiple times that much ... the average fan cannot even afford to attend a game, corporate interests control everything including the names of many of the stadiums and STILL teams are on the edge of bankruptcy ...

A return to its' roots is not only desireable, but imperative if the game is to survive ...

JonR Offline
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Baseball be Damned , bring on Synchronized Swimming, er make that Naked Synchronized Swimming , er make that Female Naked Synchronized Swimming . LOL JonR
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
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Steve, I ran across this article. Kinda sums it up.

The Strike That Will Kill Baseball


By Charles Krauthammer

Friday, July 5, 2002; Page A21


"Bonds: Game Can Survive a Strike."

-- Washington Post headline, June 22

As the All-Star Game approaches, the players' union is about to set a date for a strike. Barry Bonds is wrong. Baseball will not survive it.

How do I know? Because if the players do strike, they may one day come back. But I will not. And if baseball loses me, there will be no one else left.

I have been a baseball fan since I was 6. I can still tell you the starting lineup on the 1960 New York Yankees. Growing up in Montreal, I kept a transistor radio under my pillow so I could surreptitiously listen to Yankee night games broadcast from a tiny station in Plattsburgh, N.Y. I spent just about every free hour of my childhood playing ball. Thirty years later, I fall asleep to ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" (10 p.m., or even better, the midnight update). And I still read the box scores.

There are not too many fans like me left. The younger generation has no interest in baseball. They play soccer. They watch football. My son, himself once a fine Little League pitcher, finds it quaint that the old geezer sits around watching players adjust their batting gloves, britches and private parts -- with the occasional interruption for a hack at a pitch.

If baseball loses me, it has lost its best customer. In fact, my brother, another lifelong fan, quit on baseball after the 1994 strike. Never went to another game. On principle.

I gave baseball one last chance. And this is it. If the players strike this time -- ruin the season, cancel the World Series and, once again, devalue the game -- not only am I not going back. I am going to root for its total collapse, for Major League Baseball to disappear.

I like the game, and it will survive in some form. Somewhere in this favored land, kids will still play Little League. Pros will play in the Caribbean and in Japan. And here we'll still watch the Cape Cod leaguers. But the zillion-dollar-a-year professionals? It would be poetic justice if this, the ninth baseball strike, finally did in the major leagues and left the golden-goose-killing players unemployed and unemployable.

Unlike all the other major sports, baseball is totally controlled by the players. The most successful sport, professional football, has a salary cap, full revenue sharing and, not surprisingly, great competitive balance. The baseball union will have none of this. Baseball has no competitive balance. Half the teams go into Opening Day knowing they do not have a chance. Indeed, they function as farm teams for the richer ones. As soon as a star emerges on, say, Kansas City or Montreal, he gets snapped up with a Giambi-size boatload of big-market cash.

The game, already in steep decline and near contraction, is slowly dying. Attendance is down. Interest is nil. (Tune in to sports talk radio. They will talk about anything -- the NFL draft, women's basketball, why, even soccer -- before they'll talk about baseball.) Even new stadiums are empty.

So a commission of disinterested outsiders made the sensible and modest proposal of a moderate "luxury" tax (on the rich teams' higher salaries) and more revenue sharing.

The union is willing to kill the season to prevent that. And the players are not even asked to give up their ultimate salary booster, arbitration, which makes any idiot owner's overpayment of one player the legal basis for overpaying all the rest.

The players have it made. And they're ready to strike to keep it that way. They think that the fans will let them get away with it. Again. "It's entertainment," said Bonds. "It will come back. A lot of companies go on strike, not just baseball. And people still ride the bus."

But baseball is not just any company. People don't root for Intel or Sunkist raisins. One more strike and people will be rudely confronted with the utter silliness of caring one way or the other about Barry Bonds Inc.

The players don't seem to understand that they have peculiar skills of limited marketability. Throwing a ball 95 miles an hour has few industrial applications. If the players betray us again, it will be gratifying to see pitchers who might have made $5 million a year pumping gas at the local Exxon.

Bonds was asked by The Post whether he felt fans could empathize with players who are making an average of $2.4 million. "It's not my fault you don't play baseball." Bonds said empathetically. It won't be ours if you don't either, Bud.

tailgater Offline
#17 Posted:
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Great post. It reminded me of one of the things on my "To Do List": Go to a Cape Cod League game. I love the game of Baseball, and enjoy the MLB. But I'm fed up, and if they strike for more than one or two days then that's it for me. So I should watch my local Cape league so I can get a seat now, while they're still available. And it's just the right price for a cheapskate like me. (free)
delarob Offline
#18 Posted:
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I am one of those that trned my back on baseball after the last strike. Salaries are high enough,(too high) as it is. Teams get chartered flights, catered locker rooms, lodging, and countless other perks. Yet people like A Rod need 1/4 billion dollars to play a game?
Not to mention, you try and get a couple dogs, a beer, a soda, and maybe a couple souvenirs, and you're out $50+. Combined with ticket prices, parking, etc... and it gets outragious! If you're gonna rob me, at least stick a gun in my face.
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