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Home Roasted Coffee beans
jjohnson28 Offline
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Any other Home Roasters out there? I do this and I know Slimboli does as well,we almost have/had cliffie ready to take the plunge last year.Any others? Check out www.sweetmarias.com and www.coffeewholesalers.com
Mr.Mean Offline
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I've been meaning to ask you about this. Maybe now is the time.
cliffie3d Offline
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Almost had it erased from my memory. Thanks alot. I remember a site somewhere that had their roasters seriously discounted, a small one for around $40. Jim, do you remember? Let me know if you do - [email protected]. Damn you. Thinking of you and your hobbies reminds me it's time to brew up another batch of homebrew.
cliffie3d Offline
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Why did I know Meanie would consider this too? Next you know we'll be raising our own cattle.
rookie139 Offline
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Jim, Email me about a possible trade (Cigars for coffee) :)
Keith
jjohnson28 Offline
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Funny you would say something like that Cliff.I was just browsing around in the Recycler(Large local Classifieds paper)and came across a guy selling Pheasants.Roosters $8 and Hens $6,Mmmmmmmmmmmm Pheasant! Needless to say the SO yelped out a quick no f-in' way. LOL......You know though that still wouldn't be a bad price ( as far as I know) to where a guy could pick up a 1/2 dozen or so for a BBQ.I haven't had Pheasant since I left S Dakota.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Cliff that would have been www.heathware.com and it was $45 for the roaster,I believe they sold out of those,you can check. Sweetmarias has them for something like $72 but it comes with 4lbs of coffee #8-1/2lb samplers.So it works out to $50-$52 for the roaster.Still a pretty good deal. Keith,I shoot you a email in a little while.Gots to do some work now.LOL
jjohnson28 Offline
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hea"R"thware
Mr.Mean Offline
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Hmmm raise my own cattle. In Texas we had a couple of cows and a cuttin horse. So, been there done that. It's hell getting them cows back in the field after your drunk buddies leave the gate open after a bonfire.
GetYourOwn Offline
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JJ, There are some bean roasters for sale on ebay. Just search for "coffee bean roaster". They seem like a good price for someone to give the thing a try. You judge the quality and you can email the auction to the interested parties.
jjohnson28 Offline
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You can even use a Hot air popcorn popper.You want the ones that have slots in the side of the roast chamber to spin the beans in a circle.All the info you need on this is at Sweetmarias.They have a whirley pop thingy,you can even do it in a cast iron pan for that matter.But the Gourmet roaster is the oneI have.
xrundog Offline
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I admit I am intrigued. I now drink coffee with that fervor and single mindedness I once devoted to fermented grains. Might be a good project for when the kids are grown and I can't figure what to do with myself. Most companies have a very distinct flavor to their whole line of beans. With home roasting, do you get one flavor or does it depend on the beans or what?
jjohnson28 Offline
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You buy the green beans online from SW or CH.The beans come from all over the world and much like tobacco each country and origin in said country has it's own character and flavor.I like beleive it or not,a lot of the beans from Mexico.Guatemala has some very flavorful beans,someone mentioned sulwasi? Once you find your favorite beans and they're individual charachter you can start blending them.I'm not that far gone yet but I've experimented a few times.Oh one more thing,you control the roast as well and the same beans rosted to different shades will have slightly different flavors and body.So like cigars you might want something light or something rich and flavorful,it only takes 8-15 minutes to roast enough for two 8 cup pots.Read the stuff at Sweetmarias.
Todog Offline
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I'd rather stick needles in my eyes!
GetYourOwn Offline
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That would hurt! First, roast your own beans, Then, get a cow for milk and beef. My siblings make their own bread. Whats next? Roll your own cigars? Where can I buy aged tobacco? LOL
Wheres E-Chick? I bet she could make something work with the "roasting your own beans" line.
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Be careful of any coffee you get from the big 'J'. I heard rumors that he eats them first ... ;-) Oh wait ... that's a different thread ... hehehe!



He's is right about how good fresh roasted coffee is, not to mention the fun. Ever had home made bread, right out of the oven? Compare that to the stuff you get on the shelves, and you've got the difference in taste and aroma.

I bought a couple of pounds of green #1 grade 'extra fancy' Kona beans, and have been roasting and drinking that ... and man-o-man ... what a 'cup o' joe' that is. The Kona at the grocery store states '10% Kona' in fine print ...

Lately I've been mixing the green Kona beans with green beans from Cuba. I have two different types of green coffee from Cuba, Crystal Mountain (the best) and another one that I can't remember the name. It's out of this world ...
tailgater Offline
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I can vouch for the flavor. Jim sent me a sample a while back. Two words: Yum Me! I've been kicking around the idea for a long while now. I know I'll eventually do it, but I'm holding off for now. In the mean time, I have found some CHEAP coffee at BJ's Wholesale Club. San Francisco Bay. It's the best wholebean I've purchased and it's only $4 a pound. I like dark roasts, but the French Roast is only OK. Their Columbian is great, and they used to have another blend which I can't find any longer which was the best ever. It's even better than the Coffee Roasting house up the road from me. Now excuse me whilst I munch on some chocolate covered espresso beans (no kidding)...
Mr.Mean Offline
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Jim sent me some also. Wow! Was that ever awesome stuff.
cliffie3d Offline
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So, do green coffee beans stay fresh longer than beans already roasted? A couple of months ago I bought 4 or 5 lbs. of various Mayorga coffee and Montecristo coffee, and I know the coffee still left isn't going to be as fresh as the first bag I opened.
cliffie3d Offline
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Hey, any of you roastheads roast Mayorga beans? I know you can buy them green. I won't mention where (unless you e-mail me, Jim.)
jjohnson28 Offline
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I know all about Martins site cliffie.No I haven't ordered any from him,but I will eventually.I'm sittin on about 12 different types of geen beans right now.(not literally you sick F_ucks)I have them at my disposal.LOL ....Generally green beans will last up to two years were roasted is freshest within 1 week maybe two.I generally roast 3 or 4 batches and I'm go to go for the week.I'm the only coffee head in the house.When I take it to work I brew it a toss it in a vacuum thermos.
cliffie3d Offline
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You just said the magic words "lasts up to 2 years". I hate buying a few pounds of roasted beans and they aren't as good just a month or two later. I've already e-mailed Hearthware to ask them if they have any of those cheapo roasters still around. Once again, I say, damn you.
jjohnson28 Offline
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If not just go with the one at www.sweetmarias.com it's only $7 more for the same roaster and the sampler is a great way to get staretd,actually it might even be the improved Gourmet as the ones from H W were on sale beacause some were plagued with a bad circuit boards,although mine is still going strong.They do stand behind them %100 at both HW and SM no guestions asked for 1 year. Anything happens just call them.A buddy of mines HW one went out after about 25 lbs they sent him a new asap and told him to keep the old one for parts.
EI Offline
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roast your own beans,grow your own cattle and make your own beef jerky????????.
Hey, now I can use that gallon of PG from the feed store to treat my cattle and maybe even my pregnant goats
Wow the hobbies you can start just by reading this forum
xrundog Offline
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JJ you have me convinced. I'm going to do it real soon. I already make my own bread and rolls(bread machines are great). I don't eat much beef because I try to keep my freezer full of venison. Much less saturated fat there. Leaner with a better taste too. Hmmm, maybe I can raise a pig in the back yard! Free range chickens?
SteveS Offline
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The idea of livestock in the back yard has some real appeal ... in addition to being a source of food, they would get rid of all the unwanted growth (oh, sure the wanted growth goes too, but what the hell) and a few crowing chickens, oinking pigs, mooing cows or bleating sheep and goats could scarcely be worse than the 2 cross-bred dogs over the back fence who bark, growl and fight with one another all day and all night ...

damn, when you think of the benefits of this forum, it really makes the membership dues worthwhile ... in less than one week, 3 newbies are sending me free cigars, I tried Kopi Luwak coffee (or whatever it was) and am about to begin ranching for food, fun and profit ...
cwilhelmi Offline
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do any of you guys roast your own espresso? I love good espresso with cigars and I was thinking of getting a home espresso machine to support my habit. Partly because I can't legally drink single malt with my cigar on my way to work. If any of you do your own espresso how does it compare to illy and other premium brands? Chris
Danno114 Offline
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Chris- I'm an espresso junkie, and the best home machine by far is Nespresso (www.nespresso.com). Comes with individual serving caplets varying in 9 different flavors/strengths, with a nice display box available. They also have decaf variation caplets. We bought ours at Williams-Sonoma (Boston area). As good or better than any resturant espresso I've had.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Just say no to espresso by Nestle.
cwilhelmi Offline
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Danno - Thanks, I'm looking at a different one, the Solis. It gets really good reviews and I'm looking for one with out the caplets. Here's the link



http://www.wholelattelove.com/solis/sl90.htm
Mr.Mean Offline
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I took the plunge today. Sweet Marias called and I heeded. Hopefully I should have a full report next week. After my 400lbs of coffee arrive. I'm a freak.
Mr.Mean Offline
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All I can say to this is "DAMN YOU JIM!!!!".
jjohnson28 Offline
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It was only a matter of time.Bwahahahahahaha!!!
jjohnson28 Offline
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Life was so much simpler without the internet AND I had a lot more extra cash laying around too.
www.coffeewholesalers.com 20lbs assorted beans=$60=$3/pound....LOL
jjohnson28 Offline
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Woops,it went up $5 but there is more variety in the coffees.

2 lb Colombian

2 lb Brazil

2 lb Panama

2 lb Costa Rica

2 lb Mexican

2 lb Guatemala

2 lb Nicaragua

2 lb Sumatra

2 lb Celebes

2 lb Uganda


jjohnson28 Offline
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...And for you espresso lovers.Same deal 20 lbs=$65.





3 lb Espresso Elite

3 lb Emerald Isle Espresso

3 lb Organic Emerald Isle Espresso

3 lb Emerald Mist Espresso

3 lb Decaf Espresso

3 lb Breakfast Blend

2 lb Organic Sumatra Gayoland Robusta





tailgater Offline
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Jim, I hate extending these threads, but I've got a question: When you create your own coffee blend, do you blend the green beans then roast, or do you roast individual bean types then blend? It matters because the answer may dictate which type of roaster I eventually get (larger capacity if mixing green beans, or smaller batches to roast then blend). Thanks.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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cwilhelmi --trader joes espresso. grind it for turkish and make it by the quart in a drip coffee pot. heaping teaspoon of coffee per 4 ounces of water.
if it is too week or too strong change the amount of water.
i use decafe and dring 4 quarts a day.
cwilhelmi Offline
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Rick - Thanks, I like to have options, although I think my heart is set on getting an espresso machine. I want to be able make all of the other espresso based drinks as well.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Joe differnt beans roast differntly because of their weight,composition and shape.Also some are better with a light roast were they keep more of the flavors respective of their country of origin,some are better dark rosted.I would roast seperately and blend.I sometimes roast the same beans to three differnt roasts and then blend them,it makes for a very interesting cup of coffee.I haven't read it yet nor do I have it but there is a book,I believe by Kenneth david that most roasters swear by.
Slimboli Offline
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After approximately three to four minutes (some claim it's 6-9 minutes), the beans will enter a stage called first crack (a small snapping sound emitted from the bean as it increases in temperature). This depends on what method (or roaster) you use. Let the beans completely finish the first crack stage, this is what is considered a light or city roast. It's also called the New England Roast. The second crack is when you have hit the dark roast stage...This is called the Full City Roast.

Let the roasted beans stand for at least four hours before grinding, this lets the Co2 gas off.

All methods of roasting produces chaff and smoke, especialy in the darker roasts. Don't worry about this but instead take measures to control these two by-products. Kitchen fans work great for the smoke, or you can roast beside a window or outside. Very cold temperatures can affect the ability of the roasters to achieve the proper temp. Chaff can also be contained with a bit of planning. Manufactured roasters have chaff collecting features built in. If you use one of the above mentioned methods, roasting outside or in the garage may be the best solution.



I have found that the Hearthware is very sensitive to changes in the WEIGHT of the green coffee you use in a batch. You must weigh (or use their included measuring cup) the coffee, and be consistent!



Links to Roasters Alpenroast and Hearthware are two leading manufacturers.



In a nutshell, here is the roasting process you will be observing, using the Alpenrost:




For the first 5 minutes the bean remains greenish, then turn lighter and emit a grassy smell.



The beans start to steam as their internal water content dissipates.



The steam becomes fragrant. At around 15 minutes on the Alpenrost you will hear the "first crack," an audible cracking sound as the real roasting starts to occur: sugars begin to carmelize, bound-up water escapes, the structure of the bean breaks down and oils migrate from their little pockets outward.



After the first crack, the roast can be considered complete any time according to your taste. The cracking is an audible cue, and, along with sight and smell, tells you what stage the roast is at.



Carmelization continues, oils migrate, and the bean expands in size as the roast becomes dark.



At this point a "second crack" can be heard, often more volitile than the first. Small pieces of the bean are sometimes blown away like shrapnel! It can be more difficult to hear than the first crack though. This happens around 19 minutes on my Alpenrost. The cooling cycle begins when you hear the sound of the Alp. vent doors click open.



As the roast becomes very dark, the smoke is more pungent (oils burn against the hot surfaces of the roast chamber) as sugars burn completly, and the bean structure breaks down more and more.



Eventually, the sugars burn completely, and the roast will only result in thin-bodied cup of "charcoal water."
Slimboli Offline
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Here is the link to ALPENRöST.

They are a little pricy ... but it is one of the best home roasters on the market. They also are on sale, and offer free shipping. It also has the largest capacity, ½ pound. For beginners, I would suggest the Heartware ... it works fine.

You may want to go with Sweet Maria's as is is slightly cheaper, and they offer their double 8-Pack Green Coffee Sampler: That's their selection of 8 types, 1 full pound each with the roaster.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Note:A buddy of mine has the Alpenrost and says he has problems with the smaller beans(peaberry and maghndeling(sp) getting stuck in the screen mesh causing those beans to burn.For large batch coffee rosting a lot of people swear by the whirley pop manual popcorn poppers?Just take an hr or so and really read the SW site.
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I was gonna leave the coffee thing alone but it was renewed.
You guys sound like serious coffee drinkers. I only use it when I am very sleepy. There is a guy at my workplace that drinks coffee a lot. He uses a cup that he has never washed or rinsed out. He drinks his last cup of the day and leaves about 1/2 inch in the bottom. He does not pour that out. He starts his next day with that goop in the bottom.
This guy and others at my workplace do not think of coffee as you guys do.
Slimboli Offline
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Hot Air Popcorn Poppers are a very common household appliance and provides an excellent, almost fool proof method for roasting coffee.

If you decide to use this method keep in mind, hot air poppers are not recommended by the manufacturers for roasting coffee and doing so is at your own risk.


Warning -- Poppers with the hot air inlet through a screen in the bottom of the popping chamber are unworkable for roasting coffee. The beans don't circulate enough and it tends to scorch the beans resting on the bottom while leaving the rest unroasted.


Poppers with the hot air inlet positioned around the sides of the popping chamber work great. The air enters through louvered slots cut at angles and positioned on the sides of the chamber. This is the type of popper that seems to work the best. The beans circulate well, don't seem to scorch and you end up with a good flavor in the cup. Check yours out before you start!


Pour the same amount of green coffee beans into the popping chamber as the recomended amount of popcorn (usually 1/4 to 1/3 cup)and start the popper. Watch, listen and smell and when the desired roast is achieved and then pour the beans into a colander to cool. Put a bowl under the spout where the popcorn normally comes out to catch the chaff.

Note: Popcorn Poppers have to be watched more carefully, as they tend to heat up much hotter!

Popcorn poppers used in this fashion achieve a very high temperature and should never be left unattended. Let the roasted beans stand for at least four hours before grinding, this lets the Co2 gas off.
cliffie3d Offline
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HEY, at Sweet Maria's, they have the Hearthware Gourmet roaster and also, for the same price, the Freshroast Plus roaster. Which one is better?
Slimboli Offline
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The 'Fresh Roast Plus' is the newest model. Sounds like it could be better than the older one.

Why don't you be the 'guinea pig' ... and give it a 'test drive'? We all anxiously wait your review ... ;-)
Mr.Mean Offline
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They do a comparison on the web site stating the newer one runs hotter therefore roasts faster with a question on throughout roasting of the bean.
Mr.Mean Offline
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If I were Slim, I'd cut and paste it. But I'm not, so I will leave that to the professionals.
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