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#1 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2002, 6:02 PM EST
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By Rush Limbaugh;



 



    I think the vast
differences in compensation between the victims of the September 11th casualty,
and those who die serving the country in uniform, are profound. No one is
really talking about it either because you just don't criticize anything having
to do with September 11th.



 



    Well, I just can't
let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the
entitlement mentality of this country.



 



    If you lost a family
member in the September 11th attack, you're going to get an average of
$1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to
$4.7 million.



 



 style="mso-spacerun: yes">   If
you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the
first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.
Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get
$833 a month until you remarry.  And there's
a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18.  When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.



 



    Keep in mind that
some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7
million are complaining that it's not enough.



 



    We also learned over
the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have
started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11th
families are getting.  In addition to that,
some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation
as well.



 



    You see where this is
going, don't you?



 



    Folks, this is part
and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. style="mso-spacerun: yes"> It's just really sad.style="mso-spacerun: yes">  Every time when a pay raise comes up for the
military they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle
East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low rent
housing.  However our own U.S. Congress
just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't know that they only have
to be in Congress one-time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per
month and most are now equal to be millionaires plus. style="mso-spacerun: yes"> They also do not receive Social Security on retirement
because they didn't have to pay into the system.



 



    If some of the
military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you may receive a
pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harms way
receive a pension of $15,000 per month. 
I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join
ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters
who are now fighting.



 



    "When do we
finally do something about this ??"



 



    If this doesn't seem
fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.



 



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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2002, 6:43 PM EST
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i wonder how much this dodo would you want if his wife had been killed in the 9/11 horror.

with all the things wrong, he stoops to pick on the widows.
romeoy Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 3:16 AM EST
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I don't see it as picking on widows, he is absolutely 100% right. When the people that defend this country, the people that spend birthdays, holidays and anniversaries away from their families and don't bitch and moan about it make next to nothing what does that say? When widows are collecting food stamps to feed their families because a military member dies in the line of duty and didn't receive a cool million for compensation, will people still be saying the same thing? Doubtful.

Do the mothers and fathers of Spet. 11th deserve compensation? Yes. Does our military? I think even more so.
E-Chick Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 10:56 AM EST
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This is in no way a comparison to the 9/11 event, but it reminds me of a connection I recently made with a military wife here in San Diego (Camp Pendleton). She volunteers to help in every capacity possible where military families are concerned. Her name escapes me at the moment, but she has been on national shows like 20/20 and such...

She told me of the struggles for the basics like food, clothing and shelter. She said it would make you sick to know that our country's finest have to live this way.



And that the Toys For Tots program run by the USMC is depleted every year by the ones with their hands out, er, excuse me, the Welfare recipients even though it is intended or at least originally, for military families.



These Welfare mooches (IMO) get in line first while the children of our military personnel receive little or nothing. I'm not saying that the Welfare children deserve nothing, just that we need to get our priorities straight here.



The military parents WORK for a living and with little compensation for demanding jobs. And not just any work...the bottom line is that it's work that puts them in harms way to protect us.



I for one have had it and gave her my number to help in any way. She also suggested that many of our military that are far from home would love to have a holiday meal with you if you would be so generous.



Not only do our military men and women make diddly squat per se and struggle with the costs of daily living more so than the average Joe, but they continually get left out in the cold because of those with their hands out unjustly.



Just a thought...{stepping down from soap box now}
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 11:13 AM EST
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As some of you are aware, one of my sons served for a number of years in Naval Special Forces ... he's currently out of the Navy now and has become a Deputy Sheriff for the county we live in ...

I know of the truths described above, but might add that just this past weekend, he was commenting to me about the prisoner complaints regarding conditions in the county jail ... his reaction is that they have very little to complain about since the comparison between their conditions and his while he was onboard ship is a revealing one ... the jail quarters are far larger and more comfortable, the prisoners get cable tv, better food and their recreational facilties are in every way superior ...

It's a sad, but true commentary on how shabbily our military people are treated when the criminals in this country get better treatment than those who are willing to stand up for our rights and freedoms.
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#6 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 1:49 PM EST
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Rush may be a right winged freak, but he is a right winged freak who is often 100% correct. This is one of those times...
romeoy Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 4:26 PM EST
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I'm glad to see such support for our troops. I feel so strongly about this subject because I serve now. My father served, my unlces served and both my brothers serve. We did not join for the "big bucks" and really don't expect things to change, but they should. Will they, probably not. Through the history of the military things have been this way.

And E-chick is right. If you know a young soldier away from his/her family offer them a home made meal for Christmas. I will be missing this Christmas and my daughters 1st b-day, others in this same situation would love a little taste of "home" if available.

May God bless all...
CJBully Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 6:46 PM EST
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having served in the military and having swore allegiance to defend this country and the constitution with the possibilty and knowledge of becoming a casualty is no where near the same as going about ones life as a civilian and being killed by some fanatic(s) foreign or domestic. btw, rush limbaugh is still a big fat idiot.
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#9 Posted: Wed, Aug 7 2002, 7:30 PM EST
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Since the military is volunteer, you're right. There is little comparason between the two. But as tragic as the 9-11 events were, why should the victims' families be compensated beyond their own insurance? Would they have prefered to lose their loved one to a drunk driver? Or cancer? Under what rule is the federal government (MY tax dollars) obliged to pay the families? Sure, this sounds pretty cold, but when you compare what those poor souls did for this country to that of the military personel, I'd much rather give up my tax dollars to those that SERVE to Protect us from making 9-11 a daily occurance. And the fact that some of the families are actually complaining about the amount received makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe I'm just a Liberalophobe...
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#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 9:12 AM EST
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Looks like CJ has never served
.... this post was not to point out the Rush Limbaugh is a beloved citizen of
this country - I posted it to show how STUPID some bleeding hearts are in this
country. 



Furthermore, if you followed
ALL the financial aspects - you'd see that illegal immigrants got $$$ for
'purported' deaths of family members that cannot even be ascertained bythe
government, regardless of whether they are here in the country illegally or
not.  Additionally, with all the $$
given to the Red Cross specifically for the intent to be given to the victims
and their families - why didn't it all get distributed equally?style="mso-spacerun: yes"> 



What about the servicemen and
women that lost their lives at the Pentagon? 
What benefits did their families get? 
Nothing more than what we as servicemembers pay for each month on our
ELECTED life insurance policies - that's right - we even PAY for our own life
insurance and at most, from the SGLI will get $250,000.00 (minus the taxes of
course) and whatever else WE provided for ourselves prior to our own
demise. 



I'm sorry (actually, no I'm not
at all if you all don't agree – and those that don’t can {} my (_*_) but I
think Rush is RIGHT on target here with all the hype about $$ for the
'survivors' of the WTC. 



So tell me, all you fair
friends of the USA - where was the Red Cross and the donations for the members
of the USS COLE and the Pentagon's military staff?  I lost three friends/shipmates at the Pentagon and one on the USS
COLE - so I'll tell it like it is from my perspective - the Military has always
taken care of it's own - done more with less - and given more to your freedom
and your way of life than you will ever imagine. 



If it weren't for us - we'd
never have the entertainment here on cBid to watch some people make idiots out
of themselves and prove how anal some of the human race can be just because
they let the media make up their minds and let others influence their decisions
while meanwhile they haven't got a clue as to what they personally believe it.



Closing statement: style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Crawl out of the water, Walk upright, don't
drag your knuckles and get out of that tree, and last, but not least, don't
forget to breath.
CJBully Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 10:32 AM EST
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dearest marine jimmy, believe it or not there are other people beside yourself and your friends who have served this country. these people are refered to as "veterans" and they are everywhere, all 25 million of us. btw, i don't recall any of my fellow vets or myself getting a thank you card from you or your schoolmates on november 11th every year while you enjoyed the day off from school.
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#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 10:45 AM EST
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Once again it looks as though the point has sailed right over Ricks head like a humming bird shot from grenade launcher.
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#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 11:05 AM EST
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Hummingbird you say? Somebody get me my tennis racquet.
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#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 11:13 AM EST
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CJBully - I really feel for you man ... then again - if you had SERVED as you say you have (trust me - over HALF that tell me they did - didn't - and of the half that did - none saw action). Then again, who in the hell said I was a Marine? Not ME - you saw the pic and if you HAD served you should have noticed that I am Navy..... As for what I do - none of your business obviously - but anyone that served should be able to figure it out.p.s. If you ever come to the area - please bring a copy of your DD214 - or don't bother opening your mouth in my presence - I do not like wannabe's and don't play well with other children. Again - you missed the point of the post and I doubt a Veteran would have responded like you.
Charlie Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 12:16 PM EST
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Stir it up boys and girls! It is a tough issue! Do we go back and pay all those families who lost men and women in the Armed Services in all wars? Not being critical of 9/11 disaster but we have gone overboard! Charlie
CJBully Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 2:10 PM EST
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point for charlie!... #2 i was misunderstood and and didn't mean to say that the civilian families should get payed off... #3 if you enlist in the military you know that you may end up on the wrong end of a projectile or frag... #4 i will not debate my military record... #5 to this day i continue to get paid to carry a weapon(s) to defend the civilian and military population of this country...#6 regarding the marine bit, i appoligize. i wouldn't want to be refered as one either... nuff said
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2002, 6:57 PM EST
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jjohnson28

i guess it did sail over my head.
banshee Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 10 2002, 6:33 PM EST
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CJBully- As a Marine who watched friends die beside me in combat I can tell you with certainty no one will ever call you a Marine. That is a title that has to be earned. Based upon your thoughtless comment it is clear to me you wouldn't make the cut.
CJBully Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Aug 11 2002, 1:26 AM EST
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i really hate to do this but... to quote a young sailor (he says he is) and patriot (he believes he is) "if you had SERVED as you say you have (trust me over half tell me they did - didn't - and of the other half that did - none saw action". i apologize.
banshee Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Aug 11 2002, 3:30 AM EST
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I respect your service to our Country both in the military (combat service or not) and out (I infer from your post that you perhaps are a peace officer). You don?t have to apologize to me. However, apology accepted in the same spirit that it is offered.
CJBully Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Aug 11 2002, 11:06 AM EST
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i apologize a second time. what i meant by "having to be sorry to do this" was the quote.
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#22 Posted: Sun, Aug 11 2002, 12:09 PM EST
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CJBully - I'm kind of confused with your post. It's vague and really non-descriptive. But I'll tell you this - if you ever think you have what it takes to step in front of me and throw an insult (face to face), let me know and I'll even pay for half of your plane tickets. DO NOT EVER question my loyalty to my Country and don't ever patronize me here on the boards regarding my military service. The above isn't meant to be a threat - it's a bonafide promise. So, if you ever want to test what you think you've got, let me know - bring friends if you want - you'll see how real I am. So please just either do me the favor of PUTTING UP or SHUTTING UP - 'cause there ain't no sense in you getting your ass beat over a flagrant post during yet another moment of your display of either pure ignorance or total inebriation.
CJBully Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Aug 11 2002, 2:18 PM EST
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"Lighten up Francis" - Warren Oates as Sgt. Hulka in the movie Stripes
Mr.Mean Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Aug 12 2002, 1:29 PM EST
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Any of you homos touch my stuff.....
CJBully Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Aug 12 2002, 2:19 PM EST
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thank you mr. mean...LOL
tailgater Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Aug 12 2002, 5:30 PM EST
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Meany is our "Big Toe"...
romeoy Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Aug 12 2002, 11:58 PM EST
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"What kind of training soldier?"
"Aaaaaarmy training sir!!"

LOL!!
daveyg2 Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 11:35 AM EST
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What are you guys talking about? If you both men are of military background, why dont you handle yourselves with some integrity. You are both embarrassing me, the military and its branches. There is a clear cut difference between people who served, and military men. Jimmy and CJ, why dont you relax and be befitting of your old or current uniforms. If you both served as upstanding and respectable Joes you would both know that it takes all branches to contribute. Stop making me and my old units embarrassed to have you as veterans. By the way, I dont want to hear any garbage about how I have not served and seen combat time. My beret says other wise. Leave me out of your arguments.
CJBully Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 12:55 PM EST
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lighten up francis! };{>
PMoreno349 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 1:07 PM EST
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I would just like to say that it is a fundamental truth that Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot and a right wing freak... However, he does have a point here. The compensation for 911 victim appears to be out of control... My hat is off to those of you who served in the military and peace officers also (my best friend grew up to be a police officer, so I am well familiar with the sacrifices there).
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