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danfitz Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 9:27 AM EST
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Oh no somebody is starting this thread again. No I'm not here to cry.
I was thinking about this over the weekend, I can't remember why(senior moment). Bless all those idiots who overbid here for they allow the rest of us knowledgeable people to an ocassionally good deal.
I don't know what their profit margin is, CI, but they manage to keep Cigarbid running despite cigars and merchandise selling for less than it could be had anywhere.
Checking the price of most items is a pretty rudimentary operation, but some items like e.g. The sun grown sampler pack (actually pretty good for the price I've been winning them at) require an eduacated guess.
This rules out the overbidders as it was not there fault they lack a basic education. It was hard to fit all the kids from the trailer park into that one trailer for schooling. Having to rotate the tires on your house monthly also cuts into homework time.
danfitz Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 9:30 AM EST
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educated guess. I was rotating my tires during spelling & typing class
GetYourOwn Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:07 AM EST
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You don't leave the tires on a trailer house! It is not supposed to bounce around. You put it on blocks and use skirts to cover the blocks and stuff. I guess your family was not educated enough to use a level or since the law was after Daddy you had to move a lot.
Double-wides RULE!
Next time I bid I will call you and ask permission!
PMoreno349 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:15 AM EST
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I have found that when you leave the tires on, it starts ta rockin at times, and then you have to get one of those stupid signs telling people not to come-a-knockin
[email protected] Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:39 AM EST
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.... you have more fun when you leave the tires one .... ya' wait until Daddy goes out drinking ... then you move the trailer to the other side of the park and see how long it takes for him to find it ....
[email protected] Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:39 AM EST
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... Mom used to do that to us when we went to school ....
CJBully Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:42 AM EST
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why is it that hurricanes, tornadoes, and flash floods always find a trailer park?
[email protected] Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:44 AM EST
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... because all the ex-wives deserve them ?
jjohnson28 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 10:53 AM EST
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I think it's called thining the heard!
cruiser Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 1:52 PM EST
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You guy's are just jealous and wish you could live in a trailer,because in a trailerpark you dont even need a tv there is enough action going on allnight long.Amen
xibbumbero Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 3:03 PM EST
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LMAO at Cruiser. While at the FD,most of the action on friday an saturday nights came from trailer parks. X
jgjam Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2002, 3:15 PM EST
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I can see it now!!!...

Coming this fall on CBS... an all new "reality" show starring Cruiser and the trailer park!

Hell I should get paid for thinking this stuff up... you know some idiot with a worse idea at some network will! LMAO!
rayder1 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2002, 2:57 PM EST
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I did a diferent overbid. I bid on 4 different lighters. I figured, since they all went way higher than my max bid last week, that I would maybe get one. But probably not since I bid cheap on them. I just came back from a week vacation and found I am the proud owner of 4 new lighters!!
Why can't I get that lucky on stogies??
GetYourOwn Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2002, 5:50 PM EST
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Rayder1, What the HeII does your post have to do with trailer houses? Stick to the subject!
GetYourOwn Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2002, 5:56 PM EST
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Rayder1, I did the same thing on those dang eggs! I will get 2 of them this week at a steal. Also did it on MATASA bundles, zippo lighter, etc.... We will never learn.
rayder1 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Aug 20 2002, 9:05 PM EST
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I just wish I would mess up and underbid and win a $5 box of Fuentes. Sorry, I forgot the thread was about fishing.
KLACTO Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2002, 11:03 AM EST
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I'd like to send out a special thank you to
JS of Winston-salem, NC for his Instigator Jet Lighter bid.
Mr.Mean Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2002, 11:31 AM EST
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Funny, I got em last week for $3.00
danfitz Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2002, 11:33 AM EST
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That guy is a beaut, I picked up my Colibri for not much more than that.
Fubar69 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2002, 11:36 AM EST
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Klacto...He must be a vender cause he has the same type of bid, all 5, for closing the 22nd.

I got one of these sometime ago, not as cheap as "Mr. Mean" of course, and it is alright for keeping on table or desk but I thought it was a little too heavy for carrying around...69
rayder1 Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Aug 21 2002, 5:26 PM EST
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Thats two of the lighters I accidently picked up last week. I bid $3 with a max of $7. The last week they went for an average of $10-15. I ignored it and got them for $7. Hope they are worth it. He must be selling them for $25 a pop to make it worth it.
mhollowa Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2002, 6:46 AM EST
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...I'm mystified by cigar prices. They vary widely. Take a used car for example, any make and model. You start with the Blue Book quote. Or an old coin. You start with the Collector's guide. That narrows the range so you can evaluate condition, defects, flaws, authenticity. Where do you start with cigars? The Internet is a lousy source. Prices on some sites are two or more years old. Others post a low price but haven't got the item and try to switch you to one they say "is just as good". There is no such thing as overbidding because there is no average or optimum price to measure against. The auction makes the market. Some items are going for more than they used to. The market for them might be going up. Some are going for less. The market for those might be going down. Overbidding is not a dead horse. It's a unicorn.
gdurfor Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2002, 10:47 AM EST
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I liked the bidding on the punch/hoyo seconds. They sell them for 29 on their other site and they went for 37 here.
Now thats just stupidity
Glenn
calavera Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2002, 3:10 PM EST
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I hate underbidders. I always start by looking up the price of smokes at California smokeshops, then add 50% more and that is my starting bid. I always win.
russelr Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2002, 8:02 PM EST
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The internet is a lousy source for prices? huh?

There are plenty of sites out there of reputable dealers with accurate, up-to-date pricing. Ask around a few message boards and you'll get the links to the most popular ones. The decent sites all have about the same prices give or take a few dollars.

www.cigarsinternational.com is a good place to start as they are the company that runs cigarbid. It amazing to see people bidding way over what it would cost to just go buy a 5-pack direct. Like the 5-pack of CAO Gold Corona's that went the other day for $30+ that can be bought normally for $20. /boggle
rayder1 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2002, 9:37 PM EST
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Oh SLiiiiim! Sick 'em boy!
goldengoose7 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 6:41 AM EST
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Has anyone seen the latest auction for the Drew Estates limited edition box? Currently about $30.00 OVER CI's retail price! LOL!!
daetrintyr Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 11:01 AM EST
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God bless the overbidders. Make the site profitable for good ole CI and lets some of us get decent savings. Still fascinates me that people bid on the empty boxes. They are easy enough to light, but the draw is terrible.
GetYourOwn Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 11:15 AM EST
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If you practice your draw on a 3/4in. dowel you will find that a box draws real easy.
Penguin13 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 11:31 AM EST
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GetYourOwn Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 11:51 AM EST
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Damn You! I am winning that bid. Now everyone can find my bargan!
GetYourOwn Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 12:01 PM EST
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The Natural chest guy is worse than the humidor one. He is $26.00 over the CI price. Maybe he thought he was bidding on a 5-pack.
goldengoose7 Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 3:47 PM EST
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I still think the "I want all of them" SOBs are far worse than simple overbidders.

I bid on a Don Salvador travel humidor this morning when 4 of them went up. Some jackass strolls in and bids on the other three! Now the fricking lot is already at $10.00 and it closes on the 29th!

Who was it here that said that these jerks don't cause inflation of the average winning prices? Pretty simple to see why...when you SHUT OUT everyone else from bidding, the price is obviously going to skyrocket as people try to bid in.

Oh well, I guess I will most likely have to try again next time. The multi-quantity thing is really getting out of hand. Nearly every auction these days has a clown in it that tries to wrap their moronic arms around the entire lot.
delarob Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 3:56 PM EST
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ya know.... I used to think that getting in early, assured me of getting a low price more often. In actuality, it doesn't, unless everyone that bids after you is bidding the same price, or lower. And if they are higher... SO WHAT? You'll still be in for a price that is within the range, you deemed ok. And if he bids a dollar higher on every stinkin lot....SO WHAT? You weren't going to pay that price anyway. So you get mad at someone cause they're willing to pay a buck more than yer cheap ass? Am I missing something?
goldengoose7 Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 4:17 PM EST
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Uuhhh... We're talking a little more than a "BUCK" here dude. ;o)
delarob Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 4:25 PM EST
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Regardless. you bid. You lose. Move on.
goldengoose7 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 4:37 PM EST
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Oh...I have moved on...I have been buying most of my favorites from my previous supplier. I am willing to pay 2-5% more to have them ship the same day and not worry about waiting two weeks to get them. CBID is a great site and the service can't be beat, but the overbidders and HOGs have ruined it for me.

As far as the HOG bidders go, I have a sneaking suspicion that there is some kind of warped concept among many CBID customers that bidding on entire lots is somehow an ingenious trick that gets you a better deal. Anyone who has observed a week 's worth of auctions knows that this notion is simply ridiculous! If anything, the practice drives the prices higher than average and most HOGs get bumped before the close anyway.

There definitely are some pretty dumb people in this world, no doubt about it!
tandem401 Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2002, 7:35 PM EST
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Goldengoose7, You weren't the first to notice this. I opened a thread on 5/24/02 where I mentioned the same thing. I sympathize. I just didn't get as much attention as you did. Take a look at the topic "Is there a retailer among us?"
ceo Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 4:17 AM EST
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tandem, many retailers
Charlie Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 4:38 AM EST
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I guess if you drive your house to the grocery store and to work then you probably chew Red Man or Days Work and only have a fleeting interest in cigars! And that would make you, if you drive your house to work, a Hav A Tampa or White Owl man! Charlie
goldengoose7 Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 6:16 AM EST
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I hear ya Tandem! I think many here are simply in denial. I mean, if I am noticing a change in the 3 months I have been here, surely the guys who have been buying from this site since it opened must surely notice it?? I would think they would if they have been paying attention.

Well, I still turn to CBID for some of my cigar smoking needs like cheap lighters t-shirts etc., but when it comes to buying well known brands of cigars by the box, I haven't found a deal here since June.

I guess if you have the time to bid on the same item week after week for months and months in the hopes of one day getting the item for less than the going rate has been for the last 6 months (for most popular premiums that means retail or higher!), more power to ya. But when I am running low on a favorite, I am not willing to wait that long.

I still contend that retailers will be the death of this site for the individual cigar smoker.
montanajack Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:09 AM EST
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I am a retailer and I occasionally get product from CBid as I can sometimes get it less than wholesale even. Always enjoy coming here and the guys and gals who run it are great.
PMoreno349 Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:10 AM EST
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Could you guys explain to me what you mean by retailers. Are you talking about people who buy here and then re-sell, or people who are retailers of the brands and are bidding up to drive the prices of their products up?
goldengoose7 Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:13 AM EST
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We're referring to guys who bid on entire lots of merchandise as a matter of course.

By LOCKING UP the entire auction with their auto-bid, they force others to push through their bid limit to get into the auction, thus pushing the price up to and in many cases beyond auctions where retailers are not involved.

I can tell you, it is pretty fricking annoying, and although there are no rules against it, there damned well should be!
PMoreno349 Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:39 AM EST
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I must have overlooked MontanaJack's post. I guess it is obvious to me now, that retailers will be the ones who buy up whole lots to sell. But, GG, what if an idividual just wants to stock up his/her house-a-dor with an item?
PMoreno349 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:42 AM EST
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BTW Montana, The name Montana Jack is famous in our house....when I take the kids fishing, I do a puppet show with the fish on videotape when we get home. One of the characters is Montana Jack, a wiskey drinking, one-eyed, wrangler (from Montana).
PMoreno349 Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:45 AM EST
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I just hope that you are not a whiskey drinking, one-eyed, vengefull, gun-toten, bowie knife wielding, cigar dealer (from Montana), who is sensitive about his handle.
PMoreno349 Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 7:47 AM EST
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Fish puppet show.....twisted? Maybe; but not as twisted as people giving credence to anything Rush Limbaugh has to say on the Political board.
goldengoose7 Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 8:05 AM EST
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Yo Pm!

It doesn't take too long to single out the retailers from the OCCASIONAL gift giving individual. When you see the same names bidding on entire lots of the SAME ITEMS week after week, it becomes pretty obvious that they are not buying this stuff for personal use.

I have no problem with retailers trying to get a deal, but when they do it by screwing over the folks this site was obviously designed to cater to, thats when I start bitching!
PMoreno349 Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2002, 8:07 AM EST
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I hear you GG.....I am not a retailer, so I guess I will join you.
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