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PMoreno349 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 11:05 AM EST
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I am wondering, with all of the knowledge and opinion that comes out on this board, why CBID doesn't set up a Review section like the CA site?
prccaptain Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 11:18 AM EST
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do we really need another review board?
PMoreno349 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 11:20 AM EST
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the reason I ask is because many of the brands of cigars that I see discussed commonly on this board (mostly ones that are sold in the auction) are not reviewed on the CA board.
GetYourOwn Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 12:04 PM EST
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Smoke em and write a review. Look down the list and you will see reviews for many brands. If we had an organized review board all the reviews would look the same: Using words like complex and evolving. People would just try to out do each other.
Get off your ass and write some or quit whining!
rayder1 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 2:48 PM EST
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I haven't been able to truly discern any cutesy flavors from my cigars. I think they all taste like cigar tobacco. Some good, some great, some bad, some really bad. Some smooth, some harsh...etc. I really enjoy the descriptions the people who post here give to their reviews. I can agree with most of them.


Everyone's tastes are different. Some are lucky enough to get chocolate, leather, berries, fruit (to name a few) from their (non-flavored) tobacco smoke. I have better luck with getting different essences from wine.

aberdeen Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 5:30 PM EST
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Moreno, I proposed this idea twice, the first time met a friendly reception and CB announced it was going to do this, the last time I proposed it, about a month ago, I was strung up with piano wire and got the message loud and clear not to broach the subject again.
PMoreno349 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 5:51 PM EST
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aberdeen, thanks for the reality check. GetYourOwn, did you come up with that handle with the knowledge that with that attitude, some day you'll get yours.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 6:23 PM EST
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PMoreno349

don't read that magazine, it's 95% bullsh*t. (how conscious i have become not to offend some ass hole by using that little mark above the 8 instead of actually spelling the entire word.)

as rayder1 said "Everyone's tastes are different. Some are lucky enough to get chocolate, leather, berries, fruit (to name a few) from their (non-flavored) tobacco smoke."

lucky my ass. the only time i ever get a particular flavor, other than the flavor of smoke, is when i eat bryer's banana fudge chunk while i am smoking and, son of a gun, i get the taste of banana, fudge, and chocolate chunks.

i have never tasted one of them there bryer's, but i am looking forward too.
PMoreno349 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 6 2002, 7:07 PM EST
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you are a funny guy Rick
adroomi Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 1:51 AM EST
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Lone Wolfs are a 98 out of 100. Acids suck. Remember that next time you bid. A review board will only inflate the overbidders desire to do as such even more. Personally I can't stand someone telling me how a cigar tastes like this, or that, or whatever. If a fellow smoker is impressed by a cigar then he or she will impress me more by handing me one and simply saying, "Try this out, it's pretty good." End of story. Cigars are not wine, they either taste good or they taste bad, and that is dependent upon several factors, many of which being my mood, the company I am with, how much Bourbon and 7-UP I have in my system and more importantly, what time of the day it is. It's 8:00 pm and I'm on Jim Beam tonight. I'm in my favorite bar and a little brown woman is smiling at me. I have a Sancho Panza Belicoso (Meany turned me on to them) in my case, but at the moment the Sinatra My Way (that sucks according to CA)I'm puffing on tastes just about F**king great. Buy some 5-packs of anything and experience life a bit. The days of free sex and love are over, but you can still be promiscous with your cigars. If you don't like one, pass the other four off to a bud. I'll step off my soapbox now.
aberdeen Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 6:18 AM EST
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adroni if you don't like cigar reviews or a cigar review board, don't read it or particpate in it! But why try to take it away from those that do? Many people do like them, and the cigar elitist here that have continously ragged on them not only don't want any type of review board, they don't want others here to have one. Did you ever stop to that think with so many cigar reviews out there, in magazines and online sites that they must be very popular with many people? People you and Get Your Own probably stick your nose down on. Many are newbies who just want to get a general idea for things as there are many cigars that are very consistent in flavor and taste, and they also prefer to listen to the advice and suggestions of others to help make their early cigar purchases. Nothing wrong with that. Others will certainly take your advice and buy numerous types of cigars and experiment more, nothing wrong with that either.
xrundog Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 7:02 AM EST
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I asked myself the same question when I first found this board. Since, I have tried many cigars I was new to. Descriptions quote Smoke mag. and CA reviews. Many had good reviews and were IMO crap! The best way to sate your curiousity is to float a question about a brand (after checking archives of course). If you get a unanimous NO. Do not go near them. Mixed reviews? Give them a try. You may find one that suits your particular taste. The OTHER boards have quite a few pretentious wannabees. The thrifty, hard working, patriotic, loyal, handsome (and beautiful) true cigar smokers are right here. Fools are not suffered gladly. Watch your step.
bassithound Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 7:03 AM EST
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The net doesn't need another review board of anonymous posters telling me what is "spicy","creamy", etc. If you like a cigar let people know, simple.
Slimboli Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 7:18 AM EST
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... and don't forget. Reviews are nothing more than someones opinion, and is way too subjective to individual tastes ... and that should be taken with a 'grain of salt'. I don't give them to much weight ...

Reviews in cigar magazines? What a joke. The reviews are nothing more than how much the cigar company is will to pay for advertising their product ... the more money, the higher the ratings. No one here really believes the cA reviews anyway, at least I hope not.

Having a cigar review board here would be nothing more than a waste of bandwidth, since we do a pretty good job giving our opinions right here. Besides, since this site doesn't have a 'review board' here already, how can anyone take away something we don't have?
aberdeen Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 5:50 PM EST
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I just need to keep my big mouth shut on this subject, I never learn and let myself be subjected to all this passionate disagreement over a ratng's board.

Slim, yes cigar reviews are people's opinions, but you know as well as I do there is a consensus on a number of brands. For example, almost everyone here likes 5 Vegas, and almost everyone here hates Lone Wolf. Now if I am a newbie and read all these "opinions" I would go with the odds and buy the 5 Vegas. There are many other brands that if you recall the board history also has very consisten opinions one way or the other. Hardly a person says anything bad about Padron or Mayorga for example. Some brands are very consistent in their flavor time and time again.

Then of course you have brands with very passionate feelings of like or dislike, mostly your botique brands. So obviously there and many other instances the smoker will have to buy and decide for himself.

In the past I did rely often on friends and post here (never on CA) when considering some choices. Often I will buy singles at my tobacconist, but it is impossible to judge a cigar by smoking just one, and for me I can't afford to experiment too much as there are so many brands now, and so many new ones coming along constantly, and within the brand the sizes often vary greatly in taste. And usually when I buy cigars on a complete hunch, half I end up giving away. In the past I have spent a lot of money finding a good selection of cigars suited for my taste, and had to suffer through many dog rockets along the way. Even today if I see an overwhelming majority of people here raving about a cigar it will lead me to buy at least a five pack on cbid.

Let's face it, we are spoiled for choice these days, and for me anyway there has to be a basic elimination of choices right off the top and then take my chances with the other brands, and usually I will eliminate some choices if opinions here are consistently negative.

Slimboli Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 6:14 PM EST
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Paragraphs, dude ... use the paragraph break! LOL!

It would make it more enjoyable to read your posts ... ;-)
cwilhelmi Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 7:26 PM EST
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Just read a new CA review for the HEM WOA. It had hints of olive brine and pencil lead. And it scored a 90. This is why I ask friends about cigars I haven't tried yet, instead of trusting these stupid money backed reviews.



However, I wouldn't mind a reviews section on here because I know who I share likes and dislikes with, I'm just scared it will encourage overbidding.... chris
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2002, 7:47 PM EST
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i suppose that is my fault also in addition to destroying the political board. "how can anyone take away something we don't have?"
BMW Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2002, 6:08 AM EST
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cwilhelmi,
I tasted pencil lead once after the teacher took away my jar of paste!LoL

I find that there are plenty of on line reviews in existence already. You can review individual remarks on the CA site as well as others. CA is also good for checking MSRP. If you can't find the info you're looking for then just ask somebody here.
Barry
aberdeen Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2002, 6:19 PM EST
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Slim, I hit the paragraph key on that last post! In fact I thought I overdid it a bit, but I was aghast to see the complete block text when it posted!
CJBully Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2002, 8:45 PM EST
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cw, you've got to be kidding about the "olive brine" bit, please be kidding...
Slimboli Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 1:49 AM EST
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aberdeen --- didn't you get the HTML codes that I emailed you?

You need to type in [br][br] ... substituting the brackets with between the paragraphs ...
eleltea Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 2:46 AM EST
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Based on the reviews on this board, I have never tasted a Lone Wolf and don't feel I need to. I used to like 5 Vegas but now they can't seem to hold my interest.

I can't rely on my own reviews: a cigar I thought was great the first time is often just so-so the next time. A few are reliable enough to keep going back to. There are still many, thank god, to try for the first time.

Something I have found useful is to find a few posters who like some of the same cigars that I do and try some of the ones they like. That's why I like those threads where people list their favorites in one category or another. When I see someone list 5 cigars and I like 3 of them I want to try the other two, if I haven't already. My cigars do not taste like chocolate and burnt orange peel, either. I do love the smell of spanish cedar and I think the gars I like best have more of that aroma.
aberdeen Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 7:04 AM EST
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Slim if you sent me an email with all kinds of codes in it like that I probably figured it was a virus and quarantined it or deleted as I don't remember any email, though of course if you sent it to my aol email address I wouldn't have seen it as I only check aol about once every two weeks. Now I have the same email address but instead of aol it is earthlink.net
GetYourOwn Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 7:09 AM EST
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Aberdeen, I went ahead and sent you a virus in case Slim is busy.
cwilhelmi Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 9:34 AM EST
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cj- no sh*t, it said "olive Brine and pencil lead" what the hell does pencil lead taste like??? And how do these flavors contribute to a 90 rating?
SteveS Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 9:58 AM EST
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I like olives and am quite familiar with the taste of olive brine ... and, like Barry, had my pencil in my mouth as a kid and can remember the pencil-lead taste ... but, as Rayder said about some of the other "hints-of" and "overtones-of" that one sees in cigar reviews, I've never tasted anything but cigar tobacco in my cigars ... with the exception of flavored cigars that smell/taste like they were dipped in perfume ... ugh!.

For that matter, I can't detect all those subtleties in wines either ... I enjoy wine and know what I like and what I don't ... perhaps my taste buds aren't refined enough ... refried more likely ... lol ... I'm going out to set fire to some rolled-up tobacco leaves I've got sitting right here and am going to taste the smoke ... if I pick up any hints of berries, chocolate, leather, oil, pencil lead or olive brine, I'll let y'all know about it ... if you don't hear any more from me, you may safely assume I could only detect the taste of a nice maduro cigar ...
FINMANDAN Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 10:26 AM EST
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Gentlemen, I think were able to judge for ourselves.
Lemmings perhaps another board might suit your needs?
LOL
GetYourOwn Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 11:00 AM EST
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Lemmings huh? Thats sounds good. I would like a cigar that has a hint of lemming and bean sprout.
FINMANDAN Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 11:08 AM EST
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All newbie cigar smokers should definetly listen to this guy.
Also stay away from crappy Monti Cristo and Romea's.
FINMANDAN Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 11:13 AM EST
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That would be Monte and Romeo
My fingers don't keep up with the brain
PMoreno349 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Sep 9 2002, 11:56 AM EST
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I cannot pick out subtle flavors in cigars or wines. In that sense, I share the opinion of most of you, that this is not necessary to know that you have enjoying yourself. However, for those of you who are technically minded, it is a fact that there are groups of chemical compounds (such as esters), which are produced by plants, and do lead to the real perception of things like fruit flavors in wines and beer hops (and, I would guess cigars). These compounds, are detected by the sense of smell, and if sampled in their pure form, have a very distinct character of bananas, plums, berries, etc.... This is not a coincidence; it is because, these are the same compounds that are found in high concentration in banannas, etc... I just assume that my sense of smell is not as good as others. My wife has a highly sensitive "taste", which I am a little envious of. But, it is a scientific fact that women in general have more sensitive pallets. So...even though I cannot readily detect these subtlties, it would just be ignorant of me to therefore assume that it does not exist, and it would be limited for me to not keep my mind open to these things while I enjoy my smokes.
aberdeen Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Sep 10 2002, 7:09 AM EST
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got the virus getyourown, and processed it and am sending it back to you as a fallopian tube from your mother's oil light, whipped into a fondu and sprinkled with crotch rot. Oh yes, then dropped on your computer from a Enron satellite I recently purchased from the local sewage farm attendant and well known swell guy.
cliffie3d Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Sep 10 2002, 9:36 AM EST
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You ought to put up an umbrella quick-like, GYO.
rayder1 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Sep 10 2002, 10:02 PM EST
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Hell I'll keep this thread going. If I taste pencil lead in my cigar it is going into the mulch pile. No olive brine sh*t in my cigar. I want tobacco and I want to taste tobacco. Everyone in this post is right. Those $$ paid reviewers on some of these sites can taste as much rootbeer and plastic as they want.

I discovered that just as one can drink a woman pretty, you can do the same with most cigars. BTW...who is it that likes Lone Wolf? I have 4 that are lying around taking up space. I'll send them out. My tasting opinion is they have a taste of Gluteus Maximus, with a subtle hint of pencil lead and cedar lined clothes hampers. But I was sober at the time. Half a bottle of scotch and it might be danged tasty.
aberdeen Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2002, 6:29 AM EST
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are you sober now??
rayder1 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2002, 7:48 AM EST
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Whew..that was close. Yes...fine now
RobertParrott Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2002, 3:43 PM EST
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I had a cigar that had a subtle hint of pencil lead once, I didn't have a cutter and used the pencil to poke a hole in the end.
jjohnson28 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2002, 4:15 PM EST
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Me,I sometimes get coffee,coa coa or chocolate,leather,spice and pepper.Hell I've also tasted vanilla,carmel and even maple syrup.No ****! No it's not like taking a spoonful of syrup but more of a hint of such flavors.Hey I didn't set out to do it,it just happened that way. Anyway thats my story and I'm stickin to it!
CJBully Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2002, 5:52 PM EST
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jj,

i can understand those tastes/smells/sensations, but brine and pencil lead? hay zeus h cristo, UGH!
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Sep 13 2002, 2:37 PM EST
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Perhaps I'm not the best person to respond to this thread since I tend not to have strong opinions.....
BUT, since you asked I will add my 1 1/2 cents.
We all realize that there are a slew of review boards on the net. Adding one more would do nothing to the casual outsider.
BUT, we are not outsiders. This is a relatively small group of stogie lovers, and many of us have become aware of the others tastes. The relevance of having one of YOU rate a cigar is decidedly more valid than having some anonymous soul explain the subtle nuances of the Hungarian Paprika overtones married with under-ripened cherries on their Cuban Bolivar.
I know that you guys will tell the truth when you warn me of the nearly-digested corn and peanuts present in the Tamboril you just extinguished after one puff. Or the still-whole heartworm pill discovered while snipping your Lone Wolf.
Certainly, we won't agree on all counts, but because we are a tight family, we'll eventually know whose tastes match our own.
But that's just my meek and humble opinion. I know that I can easily be swayed to realize that a review board is the manifestation of all that is evil.
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