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RICKAMAVEN Offline
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http://www.symbolman.com/911short.html
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DrMaddVibe Offline
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Even today, Rick!

Why don't you use today to put aside your bull**** political beliefs and do something useful! Go feed your birds or take a walk.

Today is a day like Dec. 7th. A day of rememberance, a day of mourning. It's not right to show the world how uncouth you are with your astounding 20-20 hindsight vision. You don't even take the time to do your own research. You blindly take this spoonfed garbage as truth and espouse it, spitshine it up and parade it around for us to look at like it's the neatest thing since sliced bread!

Do everyone(with a brain!)a favor. Grow up or shut up!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DrMaddVibe
you probably liked my "not my usual post" because you don't have to use your brain. you can just sit in the corner and weep and believe all the **** flying around. i posted two completely different approaches about today.
why did you only get pissed at the one that you disagree with?
i didn't see anybody bitch about the first one. i didn't even see a response from you and i know you followed the link.
a person can look at both and find they are not in conflict. apparently you can only see one side. lucky for you, you never have to resolve anything.
what the hell do you wan't me to do to research, go to george and ask him directly? research is looking for information from sources that may or may not be reliable, so i research both sides.
i'll bet you do not believe darwin and think the world was made in 6 24 hours days.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Become coherant! Your rambling isn't amusing.

Thinking that requires thought often means that you MUST look at ALL sides. History repeats itself, and could be used as a "measuring stick". Taking what the "talking heads" ramble on about on your evening news isn't research. It's regurgitated bias.

It's become quite apparent that you won't shut up, so do us a favor and grow up! You childish rants aren't amusing on a day such as today.
CJBully Offline
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rick,
thanks for the site link, very interesting...
bud451 Offline
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I do not follow politics, nor do I believe in them but I gotta say Rick....your post is not only paranoid and BS but truely uncalled for today.

Who gives a **** about what GWB was doing or saying, he had nothing to do with Sept 11, 2001 nor could he have prevented it. To think otherwise is a waste of time.

Think about the people that lost there lives and don't post stupid political links.

Sorry Rick, I just watched a group of 200 people stand in front of our office, facing NYC and saluting for 10 minutes of silence. Your post was not the right time for me.
SteveS Offline
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Inappropriate ...
sammydaddy Offline
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It sucks!!!
jjohnson28 Offline
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WTF you've truly outdone yourself Rick.
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Good on you Rick, everyone needs to open their eyes and see everything, then make their own judgement. DrMaddVibe has blinders on and only sees what he wants. Rick you're a breath of fresh air, don't stop what you're doing.
bullwinkle Offline
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Ok...like as I posted before, I try to stay out of these sort of discussions, because my opinions are usually shunned by the majority...But, 'nor could he have prevented'??

Could he have prevented it that day? Absolutely not. Could this whole situation have been avoided with the proper actions taken (not that day...weeks, years, decades ago)? Absolutely.

I will leave my thoughts at that because this is neither the time nor the place for discussing America's security policies.

Remember, and for everyones sake, LEARN.

Oh..and as for the site that Rick posted...An interesting perspective...Here's a question to go along with that..How long has the American government ignored the fact that an attack on our soil was inevitable?

With love and respect for the flag, and those who carry it,

Andrew 'Bullwinkle' Leicht
tailgater Offline
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Bullwinkle, what makes you think that the American Government has "ignored" the threat?
It's like officials in the NFL, you only notice them when they miss a call. Our government body and the Military Branch in particular oversees our safety each and every day. The fact that this is the first major attack from outside sources on our contiguous soil speaks volumes to their success.
bullwinkle Offline
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I mean absolutely no disrepect to the United States Millitary of it's intelligence services..I believe this series of quotes best says it:

'One quarter of the nations of the world are at war'-Casper Weinberger (SecDef in mid 80s)

In response, Lord Chalfont 'The Western democracies are still not aware of it as warfare against them.'
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Oops...hit send too early...In saying that they have ignored the threat, I suppose mispoke. I guess what I meant to say was that they didn't take it seriously enough to take more extensive meassures. I understand your analogy to the NFL officials, and, indeed, I have lived overseas for a large portion of my life, and have seen the active efforts; however, I have also seen where the efforts are/have been lacking, and this was a thought of mine way before the first (major) attack actually struck US...It has also been the topic of heated debate for the past few decades, and the American efforts (or lack thereof) have often been the object of ridicule internationally (on the contrary, certain actions/practices have been looked upon with praise internationaly).

I don't want to sound like the proverbial armchair quarterback, as I cannot even begin to fathom the strain and pressures upon a government to protect it's society, however, I do feel that more should have been done, long ago. That is only my opinion, which, the right to have has been guaranteed me by the men and women that serve this and other countries.
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RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bud451: ONLY THE CAMMANDER IN CHIEF HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SHOOT DOWN A PASSENGER PLANE THAT HAS BEEN HIJACKED. A LEADER DOES NOT SIT ON HIS ASS AND WAIT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD DISASTER AND DO NOTHING.
that's why we "gives a **** about what GWB was doing or saying."
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GONE2P
make sure you wash your hands before you go2p. you don't know where yours hands have been and what they touched. not necessary to wash afterwood, you know where your hands have been then. (think about it)

i will continue to be a catalyst. it is my calling
tailgater Offline
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Rick, you certainly put a lot of faith in a web site designed by someone you don't know. I don't for one moment believe that time-line. I've seen the footage of Bush getting briefed about the attack. He is genuinely surprised and is wisked away immediately. I don't know the exact time, but it was definately the first he knew of the crashes and possible terrorist activity.
But the big questions are:
WHY do you think he would ignore the danger?
WHAT could possibly be gained?
WHERE is your conspiracy theory heading?
Do your neighbors know about your paranoia?
Are those humming birds or tiny spy planes?
bullwinkle Offline
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LOL...tiny spy planes? Dammit, those lil bastards are in my backyard too...

As a student (and hopefully, very soon a teacher) of history, I've learned to study *everything* that you have available to you, no matter how ridiculous/incredulous/impossible/whatever it seems, and not to discount it until you can prove otherwise. I'm not saying I agree or don't disagree with the site, I'm just saying that it should be looked at and studied, just for the sake of thouroughness, as should everything. Maybe part of it is correct, maybe all of it is correct, maybe none of it is correct, but the point is you won't know unless you accept it as a source, and the prove or disprove it from there.
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tailgater
But the big questions are:
WHY do you think he would ignore the danger?
that was my question. why do you think?

WHAT could possibly be gained?
nothing, so why wait to respond. what do you think?

WHERE is your conspiracy theory heading?
i don't believe any one in the adminstration had any knowledge about or were part of a conspiracy. so why did he do nothing? do you believe in a conspiracy theory?

Do your neighbors know about your paranoia?
only my friends. the ones who talk to flowers and trees and wave back at the tv set.

Are those humming birds or tiny spy planes?
tomorrow i will look. i alwaYS wondered why they flew in front of my face and i hear this little tiny voice say "smile, your on candid camera."

bud451 Offline
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I'll say it once more.

To believe that ANYONE could have stopped ANY of the attacks on September 11, 2001 is foolish.

Keep searching the www Rick, you'll find anything about everything that you want to believe.

I'll be morning the horror.
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I have often heard that President Roosevelt had prior knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor and saw it as an opportunity for America to enter the war. As the story goes he knew we would become involved anyhow and the economy was still in depression mode.
I have alway had a hard time believing that story and I have an even harder time believing that GWB knew anything was going to happen on Sept 11, 2001.
Shoot down a passenger plane, sit on his ass, not do anything. What the hell are you talking about. The events happened in a short time frame, no one knew what was happening in New York was happening in Washington was happening in Penn almost simultaneously. By the time the pieces were connected there were no such decisions to be made, just pieces to pick up.
Our leaders are our leaders. Whether you voted for them or not, whether you believe in them or not, whether you care for their politics or not they are our leaders and we must stand behind them, especially when we are at war. If you can't see that then you are not trying very hard to do so and though your lack of effort you will be no friend of mine.
bullwinkle Offline
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Hey Sammy, there is are several great books that have been written on the whole Pearl Harbor thing, and there is a small, but growing group of historians that believe it too be true. If you're interested, drop me an email, and I'll give you the names of some authors...
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due to the recent discovery of a japanese mini sub off of pearl harbor, it is now believed that the japanese suffered the first casualties of the war in the pacific. which would mean that we fired the first shot(s)...
tailgater Offline
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honestly Rick, I'm curious why that site was even made.
It would be understandable if there were a rhyme or reason to let the attacks happen, as could have been the case with Roosevelt.
But to imply that he did nothing for no reason? I just don't get it.
bullwinkle Offline
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CJ, there were casualties even before that...Several times the Japanese shelled West coast refinaries in late 1939, early 1940...Of course they were not any sort of major actions, and were heavily covered up, so as not to induce chaos...

Here is a useless fact for you (might as well while we are stealing this thread 8-) The first Japanese citizen killed (allegedly) during Dolittles raids was an elephant in the zoo...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bullwinkle
been there, done that
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bud451
i did not say bush could have stopped the attacks, i mearly posed the question, why did he sit on his ass and do nothing for 20 minutes or so. his answer was "i didn't want to scare the children" if that is his accurate quote, we know that is BS>
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CJBully
if that is true about the sub, the sub had no business beimng that close to pearl harbor.
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my response to tailgator was a few questions. does any one have any answers, or is the only answer that i am a vagabond surfer, only paranoid,one who should "Become coherant! Your rambling isn't amusing",
"how uncouth you are", "Thinking that requires thought often means that you MUST look at ALL sides", no wonder you like bush, you talk like him, "Taking what the "talking heads" ramble on about on your evening news isn't research. It's regurgitated bias.", i only listen to o'reilly when the comedy channel doesn't have anything funny on at the moment, one who is guilty of "You childish rants," "Inappropriate", perhaps.

i never said bush knew about attacks before they happened, i asked some questions and got no answers. only the above personal attacks. what does that say about the attackers?
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tailgater
i am very interested in your "It would be understandable if there were a rhyme or reason to let the attacks happen, as could have been the case with Roosevelt."
where are you going with that.
tailgater Offline
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Lets set something straight. Each of those "attacks" as you call them came from folks other than myself. As for my comment, I am simply asking where YOU are going with the original thread.
WHY would you post something that has no relvance?
WHY would anyone suggest that Bush and his cronies did nothing, when there is NO VALUE to ignoring a terrorist attack.
If there were an ulterior motive then the video would make sense. There isn't, and it doesn't.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

i never meant to imply they came from you. i can't remember what you may have called me if you called me by anything but my name. i apoligize for the implication.

the purpose of the video is to show the man's inability to react to a crises. he should have left dust behind and someone to tell the class the president has an important meeting, but he will be back to talk to you all. he should have been in contact with the militery, "scramble the jets and make sure they are armed." "alert our overseas posts". "do this. do that. get me ---" "let's move it." but as the video shows he was inactive.
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From what I've heard on multiple programs the other day about what was going on in the early hours.I've come to conclusion that your so called video is 1st of all horse sh*t,2nd of all it's still Horse Sh*t!

I'm actually begining to wonder wether or not you've ever had an original thought of your own in the last year or more. I'm affraid that surfing the net from 1:00 AM till 6:00 AM every night,looking for BS articles to somehow discredit GW is rotting your brain.

You need help Rick,at the very least I think you need medication! Jimbo
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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if i started to post my original, gut feeling instead of inellegently written articles, by people more gifted then i at the art of writing, all hell wouild break lose.

did any body read "the pipes" by breslin or "lost souls" by pete hammil, or were you afraid it might be some left wing popycock? they are well written and deal with, "f" it, read them or don't.

as far as medication here is the list of my meds as given to me by the VA because of my military service.
MORNING
NIFEDIPINE (PROCARDIA) 60 MG
SERTRALINE (ZOLOFT) 150 MG
METFORMAN HCL(GLUCK) 1000 MG
GLIPIZIDE 2.5 MG

EVENING
ATENOLOL 25 MG
METFORMAN HCL(GLUCK) 500 MG
CLOPIDOGREL (PLAVIX) 75 MG
GLIPIZIDE 2.5 MG
ECOTRIN 90 MG
nitro
the folic acid, the vit e, the vit c, the multi vit, the nitro-bid, and the diazepam, i pay for myself.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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What did the VA diagnose you with? Looks like to me (by the medicine and dosage)that you've got diabetes,high blood pressure and perhaps migraine headaches or depression.

You might want to try into the Atkins Diet. It'll work wonders for your diabetes. Look into it. Of course talk to your doctor before starting an exercise or diet program.
tsmith283 Offline
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Everyone,
I just read through this string and am left with a hollow feeling concerning the animosity displayed here...?
Please try to remember that the United States is a free country. Everyone is free to say, and think, what they believe. Without fear of reprisal from anyone!

Thanks to Rick for his opinion, and service to country.
(if he gets med's from the VA he earned the entitlement)
Thanks to all of you for the passion in your defense of our President. It's part of what makes the U.S. strong.
And "Thank God!" (or was it Darwin?) that I was born an American.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tsmith283

i don't think i have seen any post from you before. welcome to transylvania

this board tends to get rowdy. i like to start things off, if i can.

was darwin a cruise ship your folks were on that docked in US waters just a minute before you were born?

strangely enough, some of the meanest rottenest responses i get are from guys i trade cigars with and email just to chat.
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Rickamaven,

Thanks for the welcome. Rather chilly here in Translvania.
Rowdy is fine by me though. In fact, I made the Darwin comment based on something I read earlier in this string as a way of "starting things off."
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tsmith283

you will find more creationists here than those that accept darwin's findings. in spite of our vestige tail, they refuse to accept the fact that man and apes have evolved from something similar to a cross between man and apes.

i didn't need darwin for that, just look at some of us. as we evolve towards Nietzsche's suggestions about our future, many will be washed away in the gene pool.

remember, we roll up dead leaves, set one end on fire, and suck the smoke into our mouths. what will we do next?
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tsmith283 ... don't be put off by the apparent animosity ... by and large, what you see is pretty much like a movie-set ... a false front ... actual animosity is all but non-existant here ...

I was initially put off by the same thing and lurked for quite some time before recognizing that the the vast majority of the group maintain an exterior veneer that contrasts greatly with their interiors ... betcha in a few months, you'll see I'm right ...
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Steve, you didn't ask tsmith283 for a cigar, his being a newbie and all. You okay?

Rick, maybe you need to increase you dose of diazepam, by alot!
jjohnson28 Offline
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Yo Steve, BITE ME! Hehehehe...
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tsmith283 ... in my post above, I became dyslexic for some reasona and mis-stated myself ... what I meant was you shouldn't be surpised by the level of animosity ... like a movie-set you will see a false front of civility from time to time, but actually, animosity is the modus operendi here (as you can plainly see from jj's statment ...

And, further proof of my disorientation is contained in Sammy's post ... I took the weekend off, but his words have brought me back to reality ... it is my job to inform you of a long-standing tradition here in which new guys are required to send a cigar to ALL of the established members of the group ... that tradition allow you to send the cigar of your choice to us, but as you will readily imagine, we will form opinions of you based on your selections ... (quick insider tip: jj likes Lone Wolfs). And, as a penance for my earlier dereliction of duty, please, send me one ONLY after all the others have taken care of ...
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LOL !
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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sammydaddy

what's "alot" greek, latin, a measurment like cubits?
SteveS Offline
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Rick, you're on the right track ... it's a measurement of area ... more than an acre, but fewer than 5 ... I dunno what the yield per acre on those meds is, but believe me, it'd be a sh*load ...
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Steve you are close to right on "alot" it is actually the measurement of beer one surveyor consumes while surveying a parcel of between 1-5 acres.
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Actually, what GB did or knew is irrelevant. It in no way changes the evil that was planned for years and visited upon us on 9/11. Nor does it change my anger or the extent of the retaliatory destruction I wish to be visited upon those responsible.
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Nearly 3,000 dead and a year later some of us are still arguing about the nature of the attacks and who should share responsibility. Shame.
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