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jazzman Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:23 AM EST
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when one stores boxes of cigars in the cabinet style humidors, should the boxes be closed completely or left open a tad? i've never had this type of humidor in the past so it is new to me.
Slimboli Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:25 AM EST
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... crack (or prop) them open if you can. It's the only way they will get properly humidified ...
jd1 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:27 AM EST
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Not a stupid question. I don't believe the humidity in the humidor "cares" whether or not the box is open, the wrappers are off or in what location the cigars are resting in the humidor. The humidity is going to get to your cigars regardless. IMHO of course.
bud451 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:41 AM EST
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I take the cello off and crack the lids
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:44 AM EST
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Wrapped boxes of cigars sit in distributors humidors, just waiting to be shipped ... sitting wrapped and boxed in your humidor is simply a continuation of that process ...

Consider, though, that the wrapping and the box are barriers that serve to preserve the moisture that is in the cigar at the time it is wrapped/boxed ... conversely, they can also PREVENT that moisture from being replenished ...

In short, keeping them in the box/wrappers in your humidor will keep them from getting "worse", but will allow them to get "better" at a slower rate than if they were unboxed/unwrapped
Danny Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:51 AM EST
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even though you will most likely get a different answer from every one you ask, the most logical explanation to me seems to be what SteveS is saying.
Slimboli Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:56 AM EST
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... in other words, propped open with the cello off.

;-)
jd1 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:58 AM EST
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I tend to agree with Steve to an extent, but also, isn't humidity an atmospheric condition. It will seek it's level and affect anything it comes in contact with the exception of an absolute air-tight container or items in that container. A cigar box, cello, or the like is not airtight. So as to how much time it will take humidity to reach or affect a closed lid or celloed cigars, IMHO, is just that.
SteveS Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 6:59 AM EST
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at the risk of raising the seemingly never-ending question of "cello on or off?" ...

yes
jd1 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:01 AM EST
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Personally, I have my cigars both ways and they get bloom/plume (whatever) after a period of time whether the lids are closed/off or cello off/on. I'm too lazy to take the cello off or to pay attention as to whether or not my boxes or open or shut...
SteveS Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:02 AM EST
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jd1

you are right ... the cello/boxes are not airtight ... they do no more than retard the transfer of humitity ... but it pays to remember, they do so in both directions ...

Allowing for the variation in ambient humidity, your box of cigars will "re-humidify" at about the same rate they will dry out if left out of the humidor ...
SteveS Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:06 AM EST
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and just as leaving them out of their wrappers and boxes, sitting on your kitchen table, will dry them quickly, putting them unboxed and unwrapped in the humidor will facilitate their being "re-humidified"
cwilhelmi Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:09 AM EST
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If we had time I could go into a legthy discussion on the facts/myths of diffusion. But I'm busy an no one cares. Cello on/off box open/closed doesn't matter as long as they are not air tight. The air will still diffuse between the two, giving a homogenious air mixture.

Don't believe the hype...
cwilhelmi Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:10 AM EST
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lengthy
CJBully Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:37 AM EST
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cw,

c'mon dude, you've piqued my curiosity. explain, explain... };{>
eleltea Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:44 AM EST
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Leg-thigh discussions belong in the misc forum. Try a search using KFC or E-Chick.
cwilhelmi Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:49 AM EST
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as long as the cigars are not completely dry, dead, spewing ammonia or in a sealed system, the air will be homogeneous in your humidor.

Remember, it’s not like a cigar ages in one day, it’s a slow process and the diffusion of air is quite quick since the system is not sealed, even your humidor is not perfectly sealed, if it was you’d never have to add H2O!!
cwilhelmi Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:50 AM EST
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llt - too funny!!!
E-Chick Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 7:24 PM EST
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Did someone say KFC?
rookie139 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 8:37 PM EST
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In my coolerdor (I'd be so lucky to own a cabinet humidor..WHen we buy our house, I'm getting one), I open the boxes of cigars, push the clasp inward so the boxes are opened about 1/2 an inch...If the cigars have cello, I leave them on...No big difference to me...I recently saw a Davidoff (ISOM) from 1976 still in the cello with an unbelievable amount of plume on it...so much that I couldn't see the wrapper...It was all covered entirely in crystals...Just beautiful (sniff!) ;)
Keith
aberdeen Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2002, 8:52 PM EST
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is your cabinet a vigilante by chance? In my opinion keep the boxes shut. I mean in a closed box if any air can escape, what is it going to be replaced with? Humidified air! And Spanish cedar is perfect for aging. I rotate my boxes so that what is on the bottom part of the cabinet I smoke, and when I get a new box put it on the top shelf and it gradually works its way down to the lower shelfs where more humidity is present. The boxes I plan to box age for long periods stay in the bottom half of the cabinet.
jazzman Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2002, 3:49 AM EST
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it's an avallo ah-1200 end table humidor. don't ask how much i dropped for it.
SteveS Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2002, 6:37 AM EST
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Jazz ... I'd like to know how many 'gars it'll hold and whether it has Avalo's digital set point humidification system in it ... and if so, does it work really well?
jazzman Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2002, 8:02 AM EST
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steve, it's supposed to hold 1000 sticks, but i only have about 250 now. i've only had it for 3 days but so far so good on the digital set point humidification system.
GetYourOwn Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2002, 10:11 AM EST
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Jazzman, you don't have time for yaking. Start bidding.

E-Chick has a few nice smokes maybe she would be willing to trade for one of the old humidors.
jazzman Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2002, 1:41 PM EST
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now, thats an idea
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Sep 28 2002, 5:57 AM EST
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Bloom. The word is bloom.
If your cigar produces a plume, don't smoke it.
Slimboli Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Sep 28 2002, 6:03 AM EST
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?????

... Bloom and Plume are one in the same, and what does this have to do with the topic, or did I miss something?

... just curious?
Slimboli Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Sep 28 2002, 6:06 AM EST
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... on, I see now. You were referring to Rookies post.
Mr_Vance Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Sep 28 2002, 6:15 AM EST
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Jazzman, don't listen to what any of these guys tell you. The only way you can be assured your cigars are handled properly is to send them all to ME. I guarantee they will receive the best professional care possible.
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