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smokin' girl Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 5:24 PM EST
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Hi, I have always enjoyed the aroma of a good cigar. I am thinking about smoking cigars but I would like to know if it is a turn off when a woman smokes them?? Also, any recommendations for the lady?
CJBully Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 5:26 PM EST
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why would it be a turn off? you gonna drool tobacco juice?

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try a macanudo or a montecristo they are light bodied
Teninx Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 5:43 PM EST
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Try the Cigar Family forum. They love stuff like this.
cwilhelmi Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 6:18 PM EST
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When I see a good looking woman smoking cigar I think one thing, damn I want her!! I like it when women are not afraid to smoke a cigar. try one out and you'll see that most men agree...
WSUCoug Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 6:45 PM EST
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I'll be honest....no, I don't find it attractive. I have no rational for this and certainly don't think less of them as a person, but it's just of those traits or habits that I find lessens a woman's allure.
WSUCoug Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 6:46 PM EST
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I should also add that you shouldn't give a damn what I think. If you enjoy good cigars, then by all means, smoke them.
NYJKD Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 7:31 PM EST
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I love it when a woman smokes a cigar. It reminds me of that certain something that just really turns me on.
jjohnson28 Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2002, 8:12 PM EST
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I really like a nice belly button and if you don't have a nice belly button,sexy/sensual feet will do.I don't have a foot fetish per say so if you don't have sexy/sensual feet I'm OK with that as long as you have strickingly beautiful eyes.If you don't have strickingly beautiful eyes I'm OK with that too as long as you have...Ah what was the question? No I don't care if you smoke cigars as long as you have your own stash. Welcome...JJ
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 2:34 AM EST
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smokin' girl

if you go past the adolescent semi-humor. smoke cigars if you like and you don't have to smoke cigar lite, because "women can't really handle strong cigars." try some diffent ones see what pleases you as far as ring guage, length, or strength.

if someone objects because you are a lady, it's a macho thing and should be ignored.
Danny Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:28 AM EST
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I find it kind of sexy. I think it's because I assume a woman who smokes cigars is somewhat of a risk taker and I find that to be a turn on
jreddoch Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:40 AM EST
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"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
-Sigmund Freud
jmgiovi Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 5:57 AM EST
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If a woman is sexy she is sexy smoking a cigar. If you are enjoying the cigar you are far more likely to look sexy. I've seen quite a few women smoking cigars who are smoking so they look a certain way. Posturing. Posing. I do not find this sexy (men who do this look equally stupid). The women who sit with me and smoke a cigar for the enjoyment of the cigar do tend to be sexier in my book.

As far as choice of cigar, obviously it's your choice. No cigar is more sexy in my book (except that very small cigars that look like cigarettes are not sexy to me).

I've noticed that most women I've smoked with tend to select small cigars. I think this is because they are not attracted to the larger cigars. Also, bigger cigars give a bigger load of nicoteine and therefore are more likely to nauseate a beginning smoker. I think this is also the reason women tend to select lighter bodied cigars.

That being said, I think this is a mistake. Most of the time I have been with women trying their first cigar they have smoked a smaller, cheaper cigar. The predictable result is that they don't like the cigar. Smaller cigars tend to burn hotter and therefore have a nastier taste on the tongue. Cheaper cigars tend to be nastier in general. My suggestion would be to start with a lighter, thicker cigar of sufficient length that you can smoke an inch or two before the midpoint of the cigar (4x45 to 6x50 for example). Stop smokling the cigar when you have had enough, even if you leave more than half the cigar.

Over time your tastes will change and you might move to heavier cigars, and smoke them down to the nub.

I base my suggestions on certain assumptions:

1) An average women is smaller than an average man and therefore any given "dose" of cigar smoke will effect her more.

2) Beginning smokers need to develop not only their tastes but their resistance to the potential side effects of smoking (light-headedness, nausea).

3) If we're talking about developing a lifetime of pleasure from smoking cigars it serves no purpose to give you a bad first experience. Better to have really enjoyable first experiences and give yourself time to evolve your tastes over time.

4) One choice of first cigars might be the Natural line by Drew Estates. Very well made, pleasant taste, pleasant smell. Even the small cigars in this line have a consistantly nice taste so if you are more attracted to small cigars these won't turn you off. I'm sure the other folks on this BB will have many suggestions for good cigars to try.

Glad to have more women enjoying cigars with us.

Jim
SteveS Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 6:45 AM EST
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I've posted on this topic so much, I'm starting to sound repetitious to myself ...

During the boom, some of the local stores here in the Bay Area had "women's nights" ... at first, it absolutely amazed me to see several dozen women spilling out the doors of these stores, herfin' and b-s-in' with one another just the same as men do ... then, as I began to get used to the idea, it began to die down as the boom faded ...

I still see a lot of women smoking cigars ... in a conversation I had with him a couple of weeks ago, the owner of one of my favorite local stores told me that approximately 30% of his business comes from women ... and, while quite a few are buying for the guys in their lives, a high percentage of them are buying for themselves ...

But, beyond the number of female cigar smokers, what I find to be consistantly surprising is the high percentage of very attractive female cigar smokers ...

I've commented on this several times but I continue to notice and be perplexed by what strikes me as a phenomenon ...

particularly in the "burbs" here, I seldom go into a local store without seeing one or more women among the customers ... what I find continually surprising is that the ratio of their being very attractive is, IMO, much higher than in the population as a whole ...

I have no explanation for this, but have observed it to be a pretty constant truth ... so, Smokin' Girl, if you're still reading these responses, that's mine and I'm sticking with it ... no, it's not at all a turn-off ... and I would recommend to you the same as I would to a guy who asked ... start with a not-too-large, generally mild cigar ... smoke different ones and as you go, smoke larger and smaller ones, medium- and then more full-bodied ones ... if necessary, take notes, but remember what you like and equally important, what you don't ... my guess is that you'll probably settle in with some medium-sized, medium-bodied preferences that will then gradually increase to a larger and somewhat more full-bodied preference and that's ok ... it's fairly typical ...

Don't allow the staring of strangers to put you off ... they're just not used to seeing women smoking cigars ... and don't let the waving of hands under noses put you off either ... that happens to all of us ... stand up straight, head high and chest out, take a puff, exhale and smile ...
xibbumbero Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 7:43 AM EST
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Mongo like female cigar smokers. X
SteveS Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 8:29 AM EST
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tell you what, X ... bring your buddy Mongo to the Bay Area and we'll do a tour of some local stores ... we'll see whether it's you or Mongo who has the most interesting day ...
E-Chick Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 9:39 AM EST
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You've asked for "guys" opinions on if it's a turn off, but in my female opinion, it's just like everything else. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Personally, you shouldn't CARE about it. Just do it if it makes you happy. That's gotta be one of the biggest turn on for any sex...seeing a person completely happy being who they are and feeling confident, don't you think?

Since your main concern is if smoking a cigar turns a guy off, you've got a lot of learning to do! I wouldn't worry yourself with it! You want people around you that are into what YOU are into...bottom line! Make yourself happy and the rest will fall into place! :)

And BTW, welcome to the site Smokin'...a word of advice from another girl, never censor what you have to say here or your opinions. Just because there are several arrogant jerks that flourish here (that will become apparent after you read their posts) and try to manipulate you, doesn't mean that your input is in any way not welcomed by the majority. I receive emails daily on the subject. Just wish EVERYONE was man enough to back it up!

I've learned a lot here and hope you do too!

Enjoy!

E-Chick
E-Chick Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 9:42 AM EST
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Go to the "just got my smokes' thread and you'll see...
CJBully Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 10:33 AM EST
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x,

mongo only pawn in game of life...LOL
jmgiovi Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 11:50 AM EST
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E-Chick:

I find it interesting that you feel comefortable telling someone else that they shouldn't care about being attractive to men.

First, the topic was not "should I care if men find me attractive?" You've interjected your own issues and concerns and in the process belittled another person.

If you take a look at human physiology and human behavior we are all about "being attractive". Some of us are less attractive which may give us concern, but none the less the premacy of human attractiveness and sexuality is true.

You may wish this was not true, or may take a political stand that this should not (in a judgemental way) be true, but you should not ignore that the vast majority of people are at least on some level concerned with being attractive.

Besides being unhelpful and impractical your comments run the risk of being hurtful. At the least your comments are pejorative.

My experience is that a woman (or man) can be both concerned with how they are perceived and not base their sense of self-worth on another's opinion.

Jim
Slimboli Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 12:49 PM EST
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Quote: "...doesn't mean that your input is in any way not welcomed by the majority. I receive emails daily on the subject.

Keep telling yourself that, and maybe someday you will really believe it ... go ahead ... construe in your mind what ever it takes to make you feel better.
SteveS Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 12:56 PM EST
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Slim, do you really think that smokin' girl's input will not be welcomed by the majority ?? I've thought this forum to be pretty inclusive with room for a wide variety of input ...
cwilhelmi Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 1:16 PM EST
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jmgiovi - I think you tried to use large words that you didn't quite have a complete understanding of, according to Webster pejorative means:

: having negative connotations; especially : tending to disparage or belittle

How is this different from the rest of your statement?

This board is hilarious!! I feel like a monitor watching kids during recess.

Chris
jjohnson28 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 1:19 PM EST
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I don't know Slim,I've emailed E on more than one occasion when I thought you and a few others here were making A$$es out of yourselves,so it's not too much of a stretch to think that others have as well.

You also know that I have called you on it in personal correspondence to you as well.That being said I've let it be known when I thought E was going a little over the top as well.

Ya know I try not to get into these things but sometimes I just can't help it.I do wish you both would just stop it though but if you can't maybe I'll just have a little fun myself and egg it on...LOL
SteveS Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 1:20 PM EST
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good thing there's no food or we'd be having food fights, huh?
jjohnson28 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 1:21 PM EST
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Actually Chris it's kinda like a bad car accident you don't really want to look but you just can't help yourself.
cwilhelmi Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 1:54 PM EST
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sad but true...
Slimboli Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 2:06 PM EST
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SteveS --- my comment had nothing to do with our newest member ...

I just find it risible that E-Chick feels she has to prepare smokin'girl with negative statements, which only impacts what she has brought upon herself ... and thinking we are going to treat her in the same fashion.

Nothing like a desperate attemt to gain an ally ... so much so, she has to point out threads to her, like she need some sort of guidance ...

... too funny!
Charlie Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 2:11 PM EST
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Sorry, but what next? "What colors do you think go best with Cameroon wrappers and which is the least harsh of the Maduros? This is like Red Book or Cosmopolitan!

Laughing to myself........Charlie
WSUCoug Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 2:55 PM EST
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Do you think we'll ever see smokin'girl again? Or did this thread scare her away? Scared the hell out of me.
E-Chick Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:01 PM EST
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Once again, another male with head up his ass. Or should I say SEVERAL males with their heads up their ass?

Slimboli: if you THINK that any of what I have stated is false, it really makes no difference to me. Jim (jjohnson28) is correct on all accounts. And for you to feel the need to continually make a point to belittle me, right back at ya, bud. And speaking of your statements about 'meds' and 'wack-o', ah, step away from the mirror and get back on yours because your snotty little attitude is not very manly.

I just won't let the **** and ego maniacs get me down. And Slim, you account for both catergories. **** off.

Insert more of your piece of ****, ruthless, holy-than-thou crap below...come on...I'm waiting...you know you want to...just can't let go....****!
cwilhelmi Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:03 PM EST
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Slim - Risible was Word of the Day on March 20, 2000 at Dictionary.com, but I'm sure you already knew that...
cwilhelmi Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:06 PM EST
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Anyone else notice how Slim and E-chick are resposible for all of the discord on this board?
jjohnson28 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:12 PM EST
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Wait here I gottsa go look up resposible and discord...LOL
E-Chick Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:15 PM EST
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If you pull "discord" the "resposible" will fall all over the "board" and once again be something to piss off you know who...do you think we need a board for incorrectly spelled threads?
RobertParrott Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:15 PM EST
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Yes, and it's getting old.
Slimboli Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:25 PM EST
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;^)
Board_Bouncer Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 3:51 PM EST
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What's going on in here?
jreddoch Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 4:01 PM EST
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I think if slim and e-chick would stop flirting and have some hot, lascivious sex, all would be sweetness and light again.
eleltea Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 4:39 PM EST
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I like the Slimboli/E-Chick banter. Not sure either of them do. Whaddaya wanna do, talk about cigars all the time? I just smoked a Flor de Llaneza and wanted to like it real bad, but had burn problems the whole way. No, it was not over-humidified. I guess this is off-topic. What the hell. I'm mad now. Angry, that is. Maybe the other too. So, my opinion is, if you want to smoke a cigar and like to smoke a cigar, smoke a cigar you like, whatever sex you are. It's not a turn on and it's not a turn-off. There. Back on topic. I feel better.
jd1 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 5:23 PM EST
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smokin'girl;

I don't really notice whether or not it makes a woman more or less attractive...in that department, I look for other signs like eye contact; personality; and their ability to melt me whether or not that is their intention....if you've got'em baby, smoke 'em...and as for recommendations, try some of the more popular brands and don't let anyone tell you that you should smoke "a milder cigar because you're a lady"...CAOs, El Ricos, Fuentes, Oliva Os, Ashtons, and more than I have time to think about are good smokes with the ones I've mentioned having a lot of body and flavor. I would suggest, however, that you try to initially smoke on a full stomach; not everyone needs to mind you, but I find it more relaxing and with some smokes--almost mandatory!! because of the strength of the cigar.

Good luck to ya and welcome.
Slimboli Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 5:48 PM EST
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Last night I shared an Oliva 'O' maduro with my wife's goddaughter at a party we threw for her and her future husband. She is aboslutely gorgeous, with the sweetest personality you could ever imagine. She's the type that you immeadiately fall in love with ...

As she puffed on the Ole Maduro, she kept looking at me with 'am I doing it right?' in her big brown eyes, taking small puffs at first ... and gradually taking larger ones.

Half way through, she told me ... you know, I could really get to like this 'cigar smoking' thing ...

Yes, I found her to be very sexy smoking her first cigar ever. Her fiance is also getting into cigars (all he's ever smoked is the 'gas station' variety) ... so I had one for him too. I also set them both up with cigars for their trip back to San Diego.

Both just finished their one year of residency (after 8 years of grueling graduate and post-graduate school) and are now Optometrists. They met while in graduate school.

I think they will be able to afford the 'finer' cigars now ...
BAHABOB Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 6:39 PM EST
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Slim have you cooled off yet? Oh By The Way On If You want My Opinion On Your subject (Why Not You Do)
NYJKD Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 7:07 PM EST
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I know I am new but I would just like to rant for a little bit here.

You (whoever you are) are only what others think of you. If you think you are smart, but a big majority think you are dumb. You are dumb. If you think you are good looking, but everyone think you are ugly. You are ugly. And etc...

But hey, if all the guys you hang out with think a cigar smoking girl is sexy, than a girl smoking a cigar is not a turn off.

I just needed to give my 2 cents because all this self-worth stuff is disguisting. Confidence is important, but it should be real.
wouldestous Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2002, 7:52 PM EST
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girl-

i LOVE it when a woman smokes a cigar. my girlfriend will smoke one with me every month or so and its the bomb. its no turn-off at all. smoke em if you like em.

as others have said, start with something smallish and on the mild side. branch out from there as you develop your taste and get used to smoking. smoke on a full stomach. stop when you dont want anymore. go for as good a cigar as you can afford. (fortunately a very good cigar need not cost more than dinner!)
and welcome!
jmgiovi Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 4:49 AM EST
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Chris,

FYI… unhelpful, impractical, hurtful, and pejorative are in fact different things.

When E-chick states “Since your main concern is if smoking a cigar turns a guy off, you've got a lot of learning to do!” I find this pejorative (which you, quoting Webster’s, state “means having negative connotations; especially: tending to disparage or belittle”). Thanks for giving me the quote that makes my point. Hurtful and pejorative are similar, but pejorative implies a “hautyness” (Hauteur: Disdainful arrogance or pride) that hurtful does not.

I’ll take your advice and skip the “big words” even if I do know the definitions.

Is this better?

E-chick is bad. She is mean. She thinks she knows more than that other girl. Bad E-chick.

Look, no big words. ;~)

Now this has nothing to do with the thread, and is squarely in the picky, boring, waste of time category so I’ll say no more. Hey, look! Somebody made a typing mistake…get him!

Jim
jmgiovi Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 5:22 AM EST
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NYJKD,

You’re ****ting me. You really believe that “you are only what others think of you”?

“If you think you are smart, but a big majority think you are dumb. You are dumb.” Please tell me you didn’t mean that. Come on.

Are you wrong if others think you are wrong? Big T truth is defined by majority vote? Wow!

I’m with you on some of this if you mean that there are multiple, relative, small T truths that can disagree while still being valid from a relativistic point of view.

Jim
jreddoch Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 5:48 AM EST
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"Tell me what you think you are and I will tell you what you are not."
-Henri Frederic Amiel
SteveS Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 6:05 AM EST
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JR has captured the essence of the situation ... each persons posts in one way or another, tell others what he or she is ... others, it seems, are all too ready to tell at least some, what they are not ...


And re: the "word of the day" here's three that describe something we would all benefit from a lot less of ... their definitions seem to describe well, the root cause of all the tiresome feuding ...


condescending ... adj
behaving toward other people in a way that shows you consider yourself socially or intellectually superior to them, especially when explaining something.
Syn: patronizing (adjective): disdainful, haughty, pompous, arrogant, snobbish, lofty

Officious ... adj
characteristic of somebody who is eager to give unwanted help or advice
Syn: bossy (adjective): bureaucratic, self-important, overbearing, interfering, intrusive, fussy

pontificate vi
to speak about something in a knowing and self-important way
Syn: be dogmatic (verb): be officious, hold forth, preach, go on, sound off
jreddoch Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 6:11 AM EST
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Good job, Steve. If your post doesn't work, I'm going to ask Miss Manners to post on here. She'll make short work of this crew.
cliffie3d Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2002, 6:16 AM EST
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Pardon my late arrival; I've been banging my head against the wall. I'm going back now.
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