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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248

Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims

Tuesday, 21 December 2010

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached “an unimaginable dimension” which brought “humiliation” on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics “to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred” and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: “That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was “threatening an entire generation”.

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

“Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis,” said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

“It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal,” she added.

“The Pope insists on talking about a vague ‘broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear ‘broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the ‘context’ that matters.”

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
RICKIE MADE A POOPIE!!!

Where have you been on this? This has been common knowledge since he was outed as a Nazi!
calavera Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-26-2002
Posts: 1,868
I am glad that the Catholics have their holy man to look up to and everything, but that is some f'd up stuff right there if it is true.

The way the church has handled the whole thing about sexual abuse of children by priests has been disgraceful. They deny or stonewall or blame the victims. Now the pope is saying that it was okay at the time, because that is apparently what the people he hung out with thought was normal.

Guess he hung out with child raping Jebus preaching hypocrites.




Never had any use for organized religion anyway.





J
VaMtnMan Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2007
Posts: 3,743
Well I have neither love or hate for the Catholics, but I always hate a Bad cut and Paste and I really hate a Newspaper that will take things out of context to sell a few more papers. In researching this cut and paste by the Tinfoil Hat Brigade, I noticed that everything points back to one Newspaper arcticle from the Belfast Telegraph.

Here is what the Pope actually said.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2010/12/20/full-text-of-benedict-xvis-address-to-the-roman-curia/

Here is what people are saying about the Misleading Headline.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/letters/your-misleading-headline-fuels-anticatholicism-15038377.html

Again, I am not a real religious person. I haven't been to a church for a regular service in over 10 years, and that was because we were staying at my girlfriends parents house, and she wanted me to go. I don't even own a Bible, but I believe that whether you are religious or not at all, I won't make it an Issue, if you don't.
chiefburg Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 01-31-2005
Posts: 7,384
Rick: I read the entire text of the Pope's speech. I'm afraid the article you posted is nothing more than fiction - your author has removed important pieces of the speech that changes the context.

Loosen the tinfoil Rick.......It's terrible that you would spread crap like this around.

Oh, no - I'm not Catholic nor do I believe as the Catholics do. But, I do like to see the truth posted....
leonardo Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2007
Posts: 911
Rick, is this true/accurate? Does it matter whether it's true/accurate? That's some brutal stuff you posted, and tough to imagine anyone could remain Catholic if it's accurate.
donutboy2000 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-20-2001
Posts: 25,000
rick, does this mean that you will be converting?
Lumpa Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-04-2009
Posts: 377
CATHOLIC MORAL RELATIVIST OUTRAGE!!!
Stinkdyr Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2009
Posts: 9,948
defund the church.
tj2001cobra Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 08-05-2008
Posts: 28,561
You know what Rick, I used to think that you were a mellow old dude who merely posted things, sat back, and laughed at the controversy you created. I now realize that you are a total piece of shit.

Who, other than the absolute lowest of the lowest, spreads lies claiming, or claiming that others say, that child abuse is "ok" in any manner? You are scum. I guess I shouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
tj2001cobra

MAY I REMIND YOU THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PAID OUT
MILLIONS TO GROWN UPS WHO WERE ABUSED BY
PEDOPHILE PRIESTS AND THE CHURCH KNEW ABOUT TH9IS
AND SIMPLY MOVED THE PRIESTS FROM CHURCH TO
CHURCH INSTEAD OF KICKING THE BASTARDS OUT OF THE
CHURCH

THE CHURCH HIERARCHY HID THESE THESE INCIDENTS
UNTIL THE LAW SUITS STARTED AND THEY HAD TO DEFEND
ITSELF.

SO WHAT'S YOUR F'N PROBLEM WITH ME . YOU ARE
OBVIOUSLY A FEW YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES IF YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S PEDOPHILE PRIESTS
WERE HIDDEN AWAY, MOVED FROM PLACE TO PLACE.

SOYOU CAN SHOVE YOUR OPINION OF ME MENTIONING IT
BECAUSE THIS IS A RECENT EVENT UP YOUR REAR END AND
BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOU MOUTH OFF ABOUT ME
REPORTING LIES TRY GOOGLING CATHOLIC CHURCH AND
CHILD ABUSE AND LEARN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE REAL
WORLD AND HAS HAPPENNED TO REAL CHILDREN AT THE
HANDS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

NOT THE CATHOLICS WHO ATTEND CHURCH BECAUSE OF
THEIR BELIEFS, BUT THE BUSINESS END OF THE CHURCH,
WHO QUIETLY HID THIER CHILD RAPISTS AND LET THEM
RAPE ONWARD CHRISTIAN PEDOPHILES.

AND IF YOU FIND YOURSE3LF IN A LEARNING MODE, FIND
OUT HOW THE CHURCH HELPED THE NAZIS, REMEMBER
THEM, THEY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS PLUS A FEW MILLION
OTHERSTHEY DIDN'T LIKE, MOVE THEIR STOLEN WEALTH

AROUND IN CASE THEY WANT TO START ANOTHER ROUND
OF WAR.

I FORGIVE YOU YOU IGNORANCE THIS TIME.
wheelrite Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
Rick you're a moron...
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,613
I think his keyboard has turrets syndrome.
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
Rick...

take a break from the Catholic bashing , read and learn..

'Nazi' Pope helped Jews flee Holocaust
Pius XII, the wartime pontiff often condemned as "Hitler's Pope", was actually considered an enemy by the Third Reich, according to newly discovered documents.
By Malcolm Moore in Rome 12:01AM BST 30 Mar 2007
Several letters and memos unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East-German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at Pius's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.

In one, the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentropp, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially".

A report from a spy at work in the Vatican states: "Our source was told to his face by Father Robert Leibner [one of Pius's secretaries] that the greatest hope of the Church is that the Nazi system would be obliterated by the war."

La Repubblica, the newspaper that discovered the papers, said they were sent to the heads of the Stasi, after the Second World War.

The revelations they contain will help to clear the name of Pius XII, Eugenio Pacelli, who has long been criticised for turning a blind eye to the Holocaust. During the war, the British Foreign Office even described him as the "greatest moral coward of our age".


donutboy2000 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 11-20-2001
Posts: 25,000
MOOK OUTRAGE !
tj2001cobra Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 08-05-2008
Posts: 28,561
Rick, dont try to change this in the middle of the game. Stick to your original post. YOU posted a story that took words out of context and tried to paint a picture that wasn't there. And you chose the subject of pedophilia to do it with.

I stand by my statement. Piece of shit.



RICKAMAVEN wrote:
tj2001cobra

MAY I REMIND YOU THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PAID OUT
MILLIONS TO GROWN UPS WHO WERE ABUSED BY
PEDOPHILE PRIESTS AND THE CHURCH KNEW ABOUT TH9IS
AND SIMPLY MOVED THE PRIESTS FROM CHURCH TO
CHURCH INSTEAD OF KICKING THE BASTARDS OUT OF THE
CHURCH

THE CHURCH HIERARCHY HID THESE THESE INCIDENTS
UNTIL THE LAW SUITS STARTED AND THEY HAD TO DEFEND
ITSELF.

SO WHAT'S YOUR F'N PROBLEM WITH ME . YOU ARE
OBVIOUSLY A FEW YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES IF YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S PEDOPHILE PRIESTS
WERE HIDDEN AWAY, MOVED FROM PLACE TO PLACE.

SOYOU CAN SHOVE YOUR OPINION OF ME MENTIONING IT
BECAUSE THIS IS A RECENT EVENT UP YOUR REAR END AND
BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOU MOUTH OFF ABOUT ME
REPORTING LIES TRY GOOGLING CATHOLIC CHURCH AND
CHILD ABUSE AND LEARN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE REAL
WORLD AND HAS HAPPENNED TO REAL CHILDREN AT THE
HANDS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

NOT THE CATHOLICS WHO ATTEND CHURCH BECAUSE OF
THEIR BELIEFS, BUT THE BUSINESS END OF THE CHURCH,
WHO QUIETLY HID THIER CHILD RAPISTS AND LET THEM
RAPE ONWARD CHRISTIAN PEDOPHILES.

AND IF YOU FIND YOURSE3LF IN A LEARNING MODE, FIND
OUT HOW THE CHURCH HELPED THE NAZIS, REMEMBER
THEM, THEY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS PLUS A FEW MILLION
OTHERSTHEY DIDN'T LIKE, MOVE THEIR STOLEN WEALTH

AROUND IN CASE THEY WANT TO START ANOTHER ROUND
OF WAR.

I FORGIVE YOU YOU IGNORANCE THIS TIME.

JonR Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo short never again yada yada:


"AND IF YOU FIND YOURSE3LF IN A LEARNING MODE, FIND
OUT HOW THE CHURCH HELPED THE NAZIS, REMEMBER
THEM, THEY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS PLUS A FEW MILLION
OTHERSTHEY DIDN'T LIKE, MOVE THEIR STOLEN WEALTH
AROUND IN CASE THEY WANT TO START ANOTHER ROUND
OF WAR."




YADA YADA MOSES YADA YADA MOSES, WAS A MUCH BIGGER BUTCHER THAN HITLER, WHY IS IT YOU NEVER HEAR THE JEWS COMPLAIN ABOUT MOSES WHO DESIMATED FOUR CITIES, KILLING ALLTHE MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND BABIES! I GUESS JEWS THINK MOSES WAS A FREAKIN HERO, HUH.


JonR



PS: NEVER AGAIN MOSES ! NEVER AGAIN MOSES!


HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,134
Great!

Now Rickamaven hates the Catholics. Add that one to the ever-growing list. Should the Lutherans be added as well since they weren't exactly "vocal opposition" during Nazi Germany?

Fortunately the apartheid nation of Israel and their concentration camps are still on the "good" list.

The moral of this story is that being persecuted is bad but being the persecutor is good.
Kawak Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
Religion rules!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Q: How do you get a Nun pregnant?

A: Dress her up as an altar boy.


Badda-Bing!


(Needed to get my one political board post in for the year while there's still time. See you all next December.)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted:
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CATSKILLS HUMOR OUTRAGE!!!
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