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Rep. Gifford shot in head, Judge Roll dead with 5 others, 12 wounded in Tucson shooting
lluvia Offline
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Prayers for all the wounded, families, and those mourning.
lluvia Offline
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a 9 year old girl is among the dead. Suspect in custody.


and this is really horrible...
tonyt722 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Yes it is horrible, I have been checking on this story off and on today. Prayers to all affected by this useless tragedy.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Jan. 8, 2010

The man who allegedly shot Arizona Rep. Gabrielle
Giffords has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Lee
Loughner, ABC News has learned.

Giffords was shot, along with several other people
including federal judge John Roll, outside a grocery
store in Tucson, Ariz., where she was holding an
event called Congress on Your Corner. Five people
were killed, including Roll and a nine-year-old child.

On a Myspace page apparently maintained by
Loughner, he said goodbye to friends and said, "
Please don't be mad at me... I cannot rest."

Authorities said the shooter was in custody.

Loughner reportedly recently made several YouTube
videos with walls of text protesting the government
and ranting against low literacy rates.

"Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner. This video is
my introduction to you!" the video, uploaded Dec. 15,
says. "My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the
greatest inspiration for my political business
information. Some of you don't dream -- sadly... My
ambition -- is for informing literate dreamers about a
new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience
dreaming! Thank you!"

Giffords, a Democrat who was just sworn in for her
third term in Congress, survived the shooting and
doctors said she's expected to recover.

President Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable
act."

YouTube Video: 'If You Call Me a Terrorist...'

Laughner's Myspace page features a picture of a
handgun on a U.S. history textbook. A senior military
official told ABC News Loughner attempted to join the
Army but "never made it past the urinalysis."

In another video posted on YouTube, Loughner uses
repetitive, convoluted logic when defining terrorism.

"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who
employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political
weapon. I define terrorist. Thus, a terrorist is a
person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as
a political weapon," the video, entitled "Introduction:
Jared Loughner," says. "If you call me a terrorist then
the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me
a terrorist is Ad hominem."

In the same video, Loughner accuses the government
of mind control.

"In conclusion, reading the second United States
Constitution, I can't trust the current government
because of the ratifications: The government is
implying mind control and brainwash on the people
by controlling grammar. No! I won't pay debt with a
currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I
won't trust in God!" it says.

In the YouTube profile, the account holder, identified
as Loughner, lists "The Communist Manifesto" and
"Mein Kampf" among his favorite books.

A former classmate of Loughner's told ABC News he
was extremely political in high school, but not
radical. The classmate said Loughner once met
Giffords in 2007 and said he thought the
congresswoman was "unintelligent."

According to a witness, the shooter "came out of
nowhere" and unloaded two clips on Giffords and the
gathered crowd, striking Giffords in the head.

Bystanders then tackled the shooter and held him
until authorities intervened. ABC News' Elisa
Roupenian contributed to this report.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://mobile.twitter.com/caitieparker#22979901883682816

caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
about 3 hours ago in reply to lakarune
caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
about 3 hours ago in reply to noboa
caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa I can. That is him.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.
about 3 hours ago
MACS Offline
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Very sad news indeed. Prayers to all involved.

Sadly, this will be another incident for the anti-gun crowd to latch onto. Guns, however, do not kill people. Whackos do.
lluvia Offline
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MACS wrote:
Very sad news indeed. Prayers to all involved.

Sadly, this will be another incident for the anti-gun crowd to latch onto. Guns, however, do not kill people. Whackos do.


and he was obviously wacko

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Sad, very sad. There where several reports that someone in the crowd opened fire on the killer. They are not saying as of yet if it was some type of security detail or just a armed citizen. Seems that is what may have caused him to start to flee. If he didn't, we don't know how many more he may have killed. Of course, if it was an armed citizen that inturupted this sick-o's killing spree, the media will bury the story.
lluvia Offline
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dpnewell wrote:
Sad, very sad. There where several reports that someone in the crowd opened fire on the killer. They are not saying as of yet if it was some type of security detail or just a armed citizen. Seems that is what may have caused him to start to flee. If he didn't, we don't know how many more he may have killed. Of course, if it was an armed citizen that inturupted this sick-o's killing spree, the media will bury the story.



I haven't seen that reported here. I have seen that they are looking for a 2nd suspect.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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ONLY SOME ONE STUPID WOULD HAVE POSTED

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy".
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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who the f is caitieparker
DadZilla3 Offline
#12 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
who the f is caitieparker


If you go here:
DrMaddVibe wrote:
http://mobile.twitter.com/caitieparker#22979901883682816


You can read her tweets, apparently she knew the shooter in the past. In her (recent) words:

"not craving attention at all just replying to those who are tweeting me. Shedding light, that's it."
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
ONLY SOME ONE STUPID WOULD HAVE POSTED

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy".


Stupid, why?

If it was a Tea Party member thta did this the left would be going nutts..
DrMaddVibe Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Stupid, why?

If it was a Tea Party member thta did this the left would be going nutts..


They ALREADY are!!!!
Sarah Palin Blamed by Bloggers for Shooting of Gabrielle Giffords


Almost immediately after the nation learned of the shooting of Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and several others (including a federal judge), a few prominent liberal web writers sought to blame Sarah Palin and other conservatives for the action.

Linking to a map of U.S. House districts that Sarah Palin's pac wanted to "target" during the 2010 mid-term elections -- which sadly included crosshairs over Rep. Giffords' district (among others) -- DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas Tweeted, "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin."
The liberal blog Firedog Lake also went there. Palin has deleted the image from her website, and issued a short statement on the shooting, writing on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

Liberal blogger Matthew Yglesias Tweeted out several other examples of "violent rhetoric," including Rep. Michele Bachman saying, "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous" to block climate change legislation.

Tea party activists are reportedly already fearing they too will be blamed for this event. A few personal observations...
First, it is sad to see folks immediately politicize such a tragedy. If your first response to such an event is to think of Sarah Palin, something is wrong.
Like it or not, the sort of rhetoric and imagery employed by Palin's PAC is not terribly unusual. Politicians constantly talk about "targeting" voters -- does anyone think they want to shoot them? Political consultants tell politicians to "hunt where the ducks are, " but they certainly don't mean to shoot voters. Ironically, Moulitsas has also previously urged his readers to "target" Giffords and put a "bulls eye" on her district because she "sold out the Constitution..."

To be sure, it is possible for a politician to use words to incite violence, but putting a target on a congressional district is clearly not an example of that.
Our culture is full of rhetoric that uses violent analogies for everyday events. Here is a headline I just pulled up: "Aaron Rodgers in the Eagles' Crosshairs...Literally." (Here's another: Lindsay Lohan in Sheriff's Crosshairs, Calif. Investigators Ask ..." (Clearly, we had better hope nothing happens to the Aaron Rodgers or Lindsay Lohan in the near future). It's also worth noting that the majority of the most egregious comments were made on Twitter, an outlet that allows folks to Tweet before thinking.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/08/sarah-palin-blamed-by-bloggers-for-shooting-of-gabrielle-gifford/


DrMaddVibe Offline
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I digress...

Let's put it in some perspective.

Listen to the words. Listen to the vitriol. Listen to the call to action and what exactly they're asking people to do.

http://blip.tv/file/4586172?utm_source=player_embedded

Is it ANY wonder that these actions aren't a daily occurrence?

World English Dictionary
revolution (ˌrɛvəˈluːʃən)

— n
1. the overthrow or repudiation of a regime or political system by the governed
2. (in Marxist theory) the violent and historically necessary transition from one system of production in a society to the next, as from feudalism to capitalism
3. a far-reaching and drastic change, esp in ideas, methods, etc
4. a. movement in or as if in a circle
b. one complete turn in such a circle: a turntable rotating at 33 revolutions per minute
5. a. Compare rotation the orbital motion of one body, such as a planet or satellite, around another
b. one complete turn in such motion
6. a cycle of successive events or changes
7. obsolete geology a profound change in conditions over a large part of the earth's surface, esp one characterized by mountain building: an orogenic revolution

[C14: via Old French from Late Latin revolūtiō , from Latin revolvere to revolve ]




They're asking for these actions to take place. They're wanting Joe Sixpack to oblige them in their Progressive endeavors. They want the pawns to do their bidding, but Americans are waking up. They see the Empty Suit for what he is and in the last election cycle did what had to be done. If they could've voted more out they would've so 2012 will be another barometer for America. Are we onboard with the direction the Kenyan King has taken us? Is it time to drive a spike through the heart of his agenda and right the ship? I think the answer is "YES!".

When someone shows you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!
Gene363 Offline
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lluvia wrote:
Prayers for all the wounded, families, and those mourning.


Done.


As if the shooting wasn't bad enough, low life political scum are now stepping on the bodies to make a political point. I can honestly say I intensely dislike them all, but I never wish them any harm. You can bet these same cretins will continue to cry about polarization and the lack of cooperation from their political opposites.
deadeyedick Offline
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^ Well said.

I live in Phoenix but met Giffords casually at a breakfast place in Tucson about 2 months ago. I had disagreed with much of her political leanings and hopped she would lose the Nov election but always thought she was a pleasant and intelligent voice for the people of her district.

Prayers for all who are affected.

DED
dsmokers Offline
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Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.

wheelrite Offline
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dsmokers wrote:
Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.



Blow me azzhole...
dsmokers Offline
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I rest my case. People died, moron.
wheelrite Offline
#21 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
I rest my case. People died, moron.


You are'nt very smart,are you ?

I was commenting on Rick's outrage about the girl saying the guy was a whacked out lefty...

ZRX1200 Offline
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He just like to make people "think".......

dsmokers Offline
#23 Posted:
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Exactly Wheel.
8trackdisco Offline
#24 Posted:
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Only a member of congress could be shot through the brain and live.

May the friends and family of the deceased be blessed.
snowwolf777 Offline
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it took about a minute for crap about the Tea Party to come out as driving this nutbag to do what he did.

Left, right, whatever. He was a screw-loose, and I'm sure in the coming days wel'll see there were plenty of markers in advance pointing towards the fact he was going to do some thing really, really stupid. On his own.

The best interview I've heard so far was on Fox News this morning, with the mother of that poor little girl. The fact that she had the courage and composure to do the interview less than 24 hours after losing her sweet girl, and the fact it was handled so well by Fox, touched me, and comforted me. The strength of this woman's faith to see her through this is deeply impressive. I fear I couldn't respond as evenly as she did were it my little girl.



Whistlebritches Offline
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Prayers out to all the victims and their families.



Jared Lee Loughner.................deserves no less than LIFE IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD.Rot in hell you gutless basterd.


Ron
FuzzNJ Offline
#27 Posted:
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Yeah, nothing to see here.

1. Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for."

2. Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."

3. Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him, censure him, assassinate him."

4. John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."

5. Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too."

6. Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."

7. Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains."

8. Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

More at link

Insurrectionism Timeline


On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court embraced the National Rifle Association's contention that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to take violent action against our government should it become "tyrannical." The following timeline catalogues incidents of insurrectionist violence (or the promotion of such violence) that have occurred since that decision was issued:

June 26, 2008—The case of District of Columbia v. Heller is decided by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 ruling. The opinion not only endorses the National Rifle Association’s “individual right” interpretation of the Second Amendment; it also affirms that one of the purposes of the right is to “assure the existence of a “citizens’ militia” as a safeguard against tyranny.” The NRA’s amicus brief in the case had argued that “the Second Amendment refers to the utility of an armed population in preventing government tyranny.”

July 27, 2008—Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book,” but was unable to gain access to them.

September 18, 2008—****** Heller, the plaintiff from the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, provides testimony to the D.C. Council regarding firearm-related legislation. Heller’s written, submitted testimony states, in part: "‘We the people,’ armed, are TRULY what the Writers of the Constitution intended for us to be in Art. 1, Sec. 8, para. 15, and that is the CITIZEN MILITIA. If suicide terrorists DO attact our city, ARMED CITIZENS could be the First to counter these hostilities in our individual neighborhoods.”

September 22, 2008—The National Rifle Association launches its GunBanObama website, which predicts that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, “if elected…would be the most anti-gun president in American history.” The website is part of a $15 million NRA campaign to discredit Obama.

December 9, 2008—FBI teams investigating the murder of white supremacist James Cumming, 29, a resident of Belfast, Maine, find supplies for a crude radiological dispersal dervice and other explosives in his home. Cumming's wife, who shot him to death after being abused by him repeatedly, explains, "His intentions were to construct a dirty bomb and take it to Washington to kill President Obama. He was planning to hide it in the undercarriage of our moter home."

February 5, 2009—FOX commentator Glenn Beck hosts an hour-long special on Fox called “We Surround Them,” a “grassroots effort to wake up our Nation's leaders and let them know what many, if not most, Americans truly believe in and stand for.”

February 20, 2009—FOX commentator Glenn Beck hosts a program that games a 2014 civil war scenario called “The Bubba Effect.” It involves citizen militias in the South and West taking up arms against the U.S. government.

March 3, 2009— FOX commentator Glenn Beck interviews NRA celebrity spokesman Chuck Norris. During the interview, Beck states that, “Somebody asked me this morning, they said, ‘you really believe that there's going to be trouble in the future?’ And I said, ‘if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country … Americans will, they just, they won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up.’ And they said, ‘where's that going to come from?’ And I said, ‘Texas, it's going to come from Texas.’”

March 9, 2009—NRA celebrity spokesman Chuck Norris writes in an editorial published at WorldNetDaily: “How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution?”

March 11, 2009—NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre speaks at the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference and announces that “Our Founding Fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”

March 21-22, 2009—Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) states that she wants residents of her state to be “armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people—we the people—are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”

April 4, 2009—Neo-Nazi Richard Poplawski shoots and kills three police officers responding to a 911 call to his home in Pittsburgh. His friend Edward Perkovic tells reporters that Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on its way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon.” Perkovic also commented that Poplawski carried out the shooting because “if anyone tried to take his firearms, he was gonna’ stand by what his forefathers told him to do.”

April 7, 2009—The Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis releases an assessment of right wing extremism in the United States. The Department notes that “the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.” Recalling the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the Department speculates, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

April 15, 2009—Daniel Knight Hayden, 52, is arrested by FBI agents after he openly states on Twitter that he is going to turn the upcoming Oklahoma City “Tea Party” into a bloodbath. Two months earlier, Hayden had written online, “The only thing that is keeping the New World Order from destroying this nation is the presence of over 100,000,000 guns in civilian hands. When guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns. Since we are already criminals in the eyes of the New World Order, and they intend to enslave us all, and to kill those of us who will NOT submit to their slavery, I say to IGNORE gun "laws" and keep your guns (AND ammo) handy.”

April 19, 2009—The Oath Keepers, an anti-government group made up of current and former law enforcement and military personnel, holds its first "muster" in Lexington, Massachusetts, the site of the opening shots of the Revolutionary War. The groups' members pledge to disobey ten different orders that they deem "unconstitutional" and "immoral," the first of which reads, "We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people."

April 25, 2009—Joshua Cartwright, 28, a member of the Florida National Guard, shoots and kills two Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies attempting to arrest him on a domestic abuse charge. Cartwright is killed in an enusing gun battle with police. Cartwright's wife reports that he was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president. Okaloosa County Sheriff Edward Spooner states that Cartrwight was "interested in militia groups and weapons training."

May 2009—Data released by the U.S. Marshals Service indicates that threats to the nation's judges and prosecutors have more than doubled in the past six years, from 592 in 2003 to 1,278 in 2008. Federal officials blame a number of parties, including the "sovereign citizen" movement—an unorganized grouping of tax protesters, white supremacists, and others who don't respect federal authority.

May 21-22, 2009—We The People Chairman Bob Schultz hosts a gathering of 30 "freedom keepers" in Jekyll Island, Georgia. The meeting plays "a key role in launching the current resurgence of militias and the larger anti-government 'Patriot' movement." One of the participants, former Texas militia leader Jon Roland, claims the federal government has "been engaging in warlike activity against the American people."

May 31, 2009—Scott P. Roeder shoots and kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas. The FBI lists Roeder as a member of the Montana Freemen, a radical anti-government group. In April 1996, he had been pulled over in Topeka, Kansas, for driving with a homemade license plate. Police found a military-style rifle, ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a one-pound can of gunpowder, and two 9-volt batteries in his car.
jpotts Offline
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I think Fuzz pines away for the glory days when his idols Dohrn and Ayers were blowing up cops, and when Alec Baldwin was calling to have Henry Hyde's famlily brutally beaten to death.

Poor Fuzz...tripping over his agenda again.
jpotts Offline
#29 Posted:
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By the way, Fuzz, the proclimation for the violent overthrow of a governing body is stated directly in the Declaration of Independance. It's what started that whole American Revolution thingie that you obviously glossed over in your Repressive White American History class at Karl Marx High.

Yeah, we pretty much all know that things like the principles on which this nation was founded ain't your strong suit.
Kawak Offline
#30 Posted:
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** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
lluvia Offline
#31 Posted:
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lluvia wrote:
Prayers for all the wounded, families, and those mourning.

lluvia Offline
#32 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Done.


As if the shooting wasn't bad enough, low life political scum are now stepping on the bodies to make a political point. I can honestly say I intensely dislike them all, but I never wish them any harm. You can bet these same cretins will continue to cry about polarization and the lack of cooperation from their political opposites.

lluvia Offline
#33 Posted:
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lluvia wrote:
This little girl, Christina, was born on 9/11/2001 and was featured in a book Faces of Hope, Babies born on 9/11...

how does one not ponder on that for a while?


"There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down"




Kawak Offline
#34 Posted:
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Posts: 4,025
FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, nothing to see here.

1. Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for."

2. Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."

3. Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him, censure him, assassinate him."

4. John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."

5. Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too."

6. Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."

7. Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains."

8. Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

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Insurrectionism Timeline


On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court embraced the National Rifle Association's contention that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to take violent action against our government should it become "tyrannical." The following timeline catalogues incidents of insurrectionist violence (or the promotion of such violence) that have occurred since that decision was issued:

June 26, 2008—The case of District of Columbia v. Heller is decided by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 ruling. The opinion not only endorses the National Rifle Association’s “individual right” interpretation of the Second Amendment; it also affirms that one of the purposes of the right is to “assure the existence of a “citizens’ militia” as a safeguard against tyranny.” The NRA’s amicus brief in the case had argued that “the Second Amendment refers to the utility of an armed population in preventing government tyranny.”

July 27, 2008—Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book,” but was unable to gain access to them.

September 18, 2008—****** Heller, the plaintiff from the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, provides testimony to the D.C. Council regarding firearm-related legislation. Heller’s written, submitted testimony states, in part: "‘We the people,’ armed, are TRULY what the Writers of the Constitution intended for us to be in Art. 1, Sec. 8, para. 15, and that is the CITIZEN MILITIA. If suicide terrorists DO attact our city, ARMED CITIZENS could be the First to counter these hostilities in our individual neighborhoods.”

September 22, 2008—The National Rifle Association launches its GunBanObama website, which predicts that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, “if elected…would be the most anti-gun president in American history.” The website is part of a $15 million NRA campaign to discredit Obama.

December 9, 2008—FBI teams investigating the murder of white supremacist James Cumming, 29, a resident of Belfast, Maine, find supplies for a crude radiological dispersal dervice and other explosives in his home. Cumming's wife, who shot him to death after being abused by him repeatedly, explains, "His intentions were to construct a dirty bomb and take it to Washington to kill President Obama. He was planning to hide it in the undercarriage of our moter home."

February 5, 2009—FOX commentator Glenn Beck hosts an hour-long special on Fox called “We Surround Them,” a “grassroots effort to wake up our Nation's leaders and let them know what many, if not most, Americans truly believe in and stand for.”

February 20, 2009—FOX commentator Glenn Beck hosts a program that games a 2014 civil war scenario called “The Bubba Effect.” It involves citizen militias in the South and West taking up arms against the U.S. government.

March 3, 2009— FOX commentator Glenn Beck interviews NRA celebrity spokesman Chuck Norris. During the interview, Beck states that, “Somebody asked me this morning, they said, ‘you really believe that there's going to be trouble in the future?’ And I said, ‘if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country … Americans will, they just, they won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up.’ And they said, ‘where's that going to come from?’ And I said, ‘Texas, it's going to come from Texas.’”

March 9, 2009—NRA celebrity spokesman Chuck Norris writes in an editorial published at WorldNetDaily: “How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution?”

March 11, 2009—NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre speaks at the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference and announces that “Our Founding Fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”

March 21-22, 2009—Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) states that she wants residents of her state to be “armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people—we the people—are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”

April 4, 2009—Neo-Nazi Richard Poplawski shoots and kills three police officers responding to a 911 call to his home in Pittsburgh. His friend Edward Perkovic tells reporters that Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on its way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon.” Perkovic also commented that Poplawski carried out the shooting because “if anyone tried to take his firearms, he was gonna’ stand by what his forefathers told him to do.”

April 7, 2009—The Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis releases an assessment of right wing extremism in the United States. The Department notes that “the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.” Recalling the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the Department speculates, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

April 15, 2009—Daniel Knight Hayden, 52, is arrested by FBI agents after he openly states on Twitter that he is going to turn the upcoming Oklahoma City “Tea Party” into a bloodbath. Two months earlier, Hayden had written online, “The only thing that is keeping the New World Order from destroying this nation is the presence of over 100,000,000 guns in civilian hands. When guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns. Since we are already criminals in the eyes of the New World Order, and they intend to enslave us all, and to kill those of us who will NOT submit to their slavery, I say to IGNORE gun "laws" and keep your guns (AND ammo) handy.”

April 19, 2009—The Oath Keepers, an anti-government group made up of current and former law enforcement and military personnel, holds its first "muster" in Lexington, Massachusetts, the site of the opening shots of the Revolutionary War. The groups' members pledge to disobey ten different orders that they deem "unconstitutional" and "immoral," the first of which reads, "We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people."

April 25, 2009—Joshua Cartwright, 28, a member of the Florida National Guard, shoots and kills two Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies attempting to arrest him on a domestic abuse charge. Cartwright is killed in an enusing gun battle with police. Cartwright's wife reports that he was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president. Okaloosa County Sheriff Edward Spooner states that Cartrwight was "interested in militia groups and weapons training."

May 2009—Data released by the U.S. Marshals Service indicates that threats to the nation's judges and prosecutors have more than doubled in the past six years, from 592 in 2003 to 1,278 in 2008. Federal officials blame a number of parties, including the "sovereign citizen" movement—an unorganized grouping of tax protesters, white supremacists, and others who don't respect federal authority.

May 21-22, 2009—We The People Chairman Bob Schultz hosts a gathering of 30 "freedom keepers" in Jekyll Island, Georgia. The meeting plays "a key role in launching the current resurgence of militias and the larger anti-government 'Patriot' movement." One of the participants, former Texas militia leader Jon Roland, claims the federal government has "been engaging in warlike activity against the American people."

May 31, 2009—Scott P. Roeder shoots and kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas. The FBI lists Roeder as a member of the Montana Freemen, a radical anti-government group. In April 1996, he had been pulled over in Topeka, Kansas, for driving with a homemade license plate. Police found a military-style rifle, ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a one-pound can of gunpowder, and two 9-volt batteries in his car.



"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" -- Chris Matthews

"I have zero doubt that if ****** Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow....I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact." -- Bill Maher


"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." -- Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy

"I know how the 'tea party' people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their 'Obama Plan White Slavery' signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads." -- The Washington Post's Courtland Milloy

You were saying FUZZ? You are a clown to point this at anything but a nut job. But again you can't see thru your own hate...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,541
dsmokers wrote:
Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.



How you get to that conclusion is the work of a drug addled mind.

Put the meth down Jimmy.

You're a pathetic attention whore who's running on fumes.




UCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Authorities on Sunday charged a 22-year-old man described as a pot-smoking loner with trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing others at a political event, revealing that he had scrawled on an envelope the words “my assassination” and “Giffords.”

The discoveries at his home in southern Arizona, however, provided few answers to a shocked nation, from the victims of Saturday’s shooting rampage to lawmakers worried about their safety: What motivated the rampage outside a supermarket that killed six and injured 14?

Giffords, 40, lay in intensive care at a Tucson hospital, after being shot in the head at close range. Doctors said she had responded repeatedly to commands to stick out her two fingers, giving them hope she may survive.

Court papers filed with the charges against Jared Loughner said he had previous contact with the Democratic lawmaker. The documents said he had received a letter from Giffords in which she thanked him for attending a “Congress on your Corner” event at a mall in Tucson in 2007.

Investigators carrying out a search warrant at his parents’ home in a middle-class neighborhood found an envelope in a safe with the words “I planned ahead,” ”My assassination“ and the name ”Giffords” next to what appears to be Loughner’s signature.

An official familiar with the Arizona shooting investigation said Sunday that local authorities are looking at a possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.


The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, said local authorities were examining the American Renaissance website for possible motives.

The group’s leaders said in a posting on their website that Loughner never subscribed to their magazine. registered for any of the group’s conferences or visited their Internet site.

The young man, who lived with his parents, was recently suspended from his community college for disruptive behavior and told he could not return until a mental health professional determined he was not a danger to himself or others.

Police say he purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack at Sportsman’s Warehouse in Tucson in November. Authorities believe he acted alone: After questioning a cab driver who drove Loughner to the grocery store, they cleared the driver of any involvement.

Prosecutors charged Loughner with one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to killing a federal employee. More charges are expected.

Loughner did not have an attorney yet. He is expected to appear in court Monday.

The federal public defender’s office in Arizona is seeking an outside attorney to avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest that might arise and plans to ask that San Diego attorney Judy Clarke be appointed to represent Loughner.

Clarke, a former federal public defender in San Diego and Spokane, Wash., served on teams that defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski and Susan Smith, a South Carolina woman who drowned her two sons in 1994.

People, meanwhile, crammed the synagogue where Giffords was a member, as well as at the Mountain Avenue Church of Christ, which lost one member in the attack and saw another one wounded.

“I don’t know how to grieve. This morning I don’t have the magic pill, I don’t have the Scripture… I can’t wrap my head around this,” said the church’s Rev. Mike Nowak, his strong preacher’s voice wavering.

Nowak said he received hundreds of e-mails from people sharing their prayers with the congregation.

Outside the hospital, candles flickered and people laid down bouquets of flowers, American flags and pictures of the personable politician they affectionately called “Gabby.”

Giffords colleagues, shocked at the violence, vowed not to let it deter them from meeting publicly, face to face, with their constituents. Some, however, acknowledged they were reviewing their security measures.

“I am very concerned about my safety and the safety of other members of Congress,” said Rep. Bobby Rush, a Chicago Democrat. “I’ve informed those who are in my midst that they should be much more vigilant.”

Rush said the climate is dangerous for political leaders, particularly for those who have supported President Barack Obama and his policies. He said he doesn’t plan to scale back any public appearances.

“We need to realize that every face in the crowd is not a friendly face,” he said.

Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., said he will proceed with public meetings. “I’m not going to let some lone gunman handcuff democracy,” he said, adding he will take reasonable precautions.

Giffords, a conservative Democrat re-elected in November, faced threats and heckling over her support for immigration reform and the health care overhaul. Her office was vandalized the day the House approved the landmark health care measure.

It is not clear whether those issues motivated the shooter to fire on the crowd gathered to meet Giffords.

In a YouTube video, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords’ congressional district in Arizona.

The six killed included a federal judge, John Roll; an aide to Giffords and 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, who was born on Sept. 11, 2001 and was featured in a book called “Faces of Hope” that chronicled one baby from each state born on the day terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people.

The author, Christine Naman said: “Tragedy seems to have happened again.”

Green was recently elected as a student council member and went to the morning’s event because of her interest in government.

Fourteen others were injured, including the three-term Democrat lawmaker. Authorities said the dead included Roll; Green; Giffords aide Gabe Zimmerman, 30; Dorothy Morris, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and Phyllis Schneck, 79.

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Associated Press writers Pauline Arrillaga, Raquel Maria Dillon, Terry Tang in Tucson, Sophia Tareen in Chicago and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.
snowwolf777 Offline
#36 Posted:
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I see the New Jersey lint-brain is back with more stunning copy/paste wisdom.

Hey look - I can do it too!

But I'm not going to. In minutes I was able to find pages of left wing hate screed from talk radio, tv, and speeches that I could have pasted here.

Over and over again in the modern era we've occasionally seen squirrels come out of their tree hole and reek havoc on some unsuspecting group of people. Most of these murderers have political views that are c o c k-eyed beyond the skew of any normal person. Because they're nuts. As in not normal. And to blame their behavior all on normal discourse of political opinion is simplistic beyond compare. You need only start with the premise that someone would sit down and plan something like this (and figure on dying in the process)

Anyone here simple enough to think this whack job got himself psyched up to do this by playing Sarah Palin speeches 24/7 on his IPod? You got a better chance of blaming the musical groups he was pounding into his brain on his IPod during his long dog walks.
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted:
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this whole thing makes me sick.... Sad
cbc812 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Unbelieveable.

Dirtbags from all sides of the spectrum are trying to use this massacre to their advantage while decrying the "other side's" politicization of a national tragedy, and the proles are following suit in lockstep in the sewer that is the CBid political forum.

The guy was a nut and deserves to die a thousand horrible, painful deaths, period.

Prayers for the families of those lost and for the speedy recovery of all of the injured innocents.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,541
cbc812 wrote:
Unbelieveable.

Dirtbags from all sides of the spectrum are trying to use this massacre to their advantage while decrying the "other side's" politicization of a national tragedy, and the proles are following suit in lockstep in the sewer that is the CBid political forum.



Nobody is forcing you to be here. At all.

If you're really that diametrically opposed to this forum...leave.

To stay and type that kind of response is Attention Whoring at it's weakest.

Don't like the message? Don't read it.
Kawak Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
cbc812 wrote:
Unbelieveable.

Dirtbags from all sides of the spectrum are trying to use this massacre to their advantage while decrying the "other side's" politicization of a national tragedy, and the proles are following suit in lockstep in the sewer that is the CBid political forum.

The guy was a nut and deserves to die a thousand horrible, painful deaths, period.

Prayers for the families of those lost and for the speedy recovery of all of the injured innocents.


Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot...
cbc812 Offline
#41 Posted:
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Posts: 4,222
It's a national tragedy, and here you guys are already gnashing teeth over which "side" is to blame.

I find it amazing. This was clearly the work of a psychopath. No, gun laws wouldn't have prevented it. No, Sarah Palin didn't drive him to do it. I'm just trying to inject some common sense and perhaps some respect for the victims here. Sorry to get in the way of your cultuure war.

Carry on with your self-righteous holy war. I'll rejoin the reality-based community, where most people are praying for the victims and appalled the the spinmeisters on both sides playing this for political gain.

Have fun, kids.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#42 Posted:
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Posts: 55,541
cbc812 wrote:
It's a national tragedy, and here you guys are already gnashing teeth over which "side" is to blame.

I find it amazing. This was clearly the work of a psychopath. No, gun laws wouldn't have prevented it. No, Sarah Palin didn't drive him to do it. I'm just trying to inject some common sense and perhaps some respect for the victims here. Sorry to get in the way of your cultuure war.

Carry on with your self-righteous holy war. I'll rejoin the reality-based community, where most people are praying for the victims and appalled the the spinmeisters on both sides playing this for political gain.

Have fun, kids.


Culture war? Get a grip.

Reality? You couldn't handle reality. You think this place is a sewer!

Oh, you mean those articles that I posted? Yeah.

Pray for the victims, but the rest of your bender...pray for your own mental health!
cbc812 Offline
#43 Posted:
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I think that any forum in which people use a national tragedy as a springboard for endless, pointless partisan bickering can be accurately described as a "sewer".

It is disrespectful to the victims and solves nothing. lluvia started a thread with prayers and positive thoughts for those affected by the tragedy, and it devolves into idiotic poo-slinging.

So sorry to interrupt an argument that is apparently terribly important to your self esteem with an attempt to inject common sense. I am a terrible person and worthy of derision for pointing out that innocent people died and that politicization of this issue is pointless and distasteful.

Brick wall
ZRX1200 Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,651
Wow.....


I gotta agree with cbc.

Never thought that would happen.

The news running the Palin angle while admitting there is no evidence is journalistic malpractice. Prayers to the injured and fallen.
Buckwheat Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
dsmokers wrote:
Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.



You couldn't be more wrong about these two brothers. I certainly don't agree with everything that they post but they are both good people.

Prayers sent for everyone involved in this horrible tragedy including the nut case shooter. Obviously the cheese has slid off of his cracker.

What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child? (directed to the shooter)
HockeyDad Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
I doubt anyone saw the headline "Congresswoman shot..." and took more than 30 seconds to realize this would immediately become political. Even this thread is in the "Politics" section.

There will be cries for more gun control....
There will cries for limiting clip sizes in handguns....
There will be cries for an assault rifle ban....
There will be cries for Secret Service protection from Republicans and Teabaggers...
There will be cries for more stem cell research....
Gays in the military will be blames somehow....
Nancy Grace will plant evidence and then "discover" it and claim shoddy policework....


A nutjob just gave us our new BP oil spill. Time to switch off the media for a while.
Whistlebritches Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 22,128
Seriously......there is no need to cast blame at anyone other than the shooter.There'll be plenty enough time for knee jerk reaction/political overkill in the very near future.


That being said,Fuzznj is back.Just what this forum needs.......a guy running around with a 5 gallon can of gasoline fanning the flames.


Ron
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,651
Yeah Ron, what a classy return for Fuzz. Glad his time away cooled him down......
dsmokers Offline
#49 Posted:
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Posts: 569
Ron was doing fine until he finally let the sh*tforbrains team get to him. ZRX you should push him harder. Make him stop offering prayers to the dead, and start attacking fuzz. It's the right thing to do.
ZRX1200 Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,651
Ron doesn't get pushed by anyone but his own thoughts and beliefs.

Fuzz can be decent at times (not this time) and has added to the forum (which you never seem to do). Wish he would have returned with a better entrance and brought some cookies is all.
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