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Poll Question : Are you Pro Choice/Life-Pro/Anti Death Penalty
Choice Votes Statistics
Pro Choice-Pro Death Penalty 24 51 %
Pro Life-Pro Death Penalty 15 31 %
Pro Choice-Anti Death Penalty 6 12 %
Pro Life-Anti Death Penalty 2 4 %
Total 47 100%

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Are you Pro Choice/Life-Pro/Anti Death Penalty
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fishinguitarman Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 12:39 PM EST
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You don't have to post it publicly, obviously, if you choose not to.

Or Discuss

Just take the poll, please.
daveincincy Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:11 PM EST
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I am for women's suffrage. Whistle
MACS Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:14 PM EST
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Personally, I am against abortion. It is an INNOCENT life that has done nothing to deserve to die.

I am also pro death penalty... because 98.2% of those effers deserve to die, not live in prison with free healthcare, food and clothes at our expense.
fishinguitarman Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:26 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Personally, I am against abortion. It is an INNOCENT life that has done nothing to deserve to die.

I am also pro death penalty... because 98.2% of those effers deserve to die, not live in prison with free healthcare, food and clothes at our expense.






EXACTLY!
richokeeffe Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:39 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
I am for women's suffrage. Whistle


Haven't women suffraged enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEqWgMsEA_8
wheelrite Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 1:45 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
You don't have to post it publicly, obviously, if you choose not to.

Or Discuss

Just take the poll, please.


Me,,
Pro Life,Anti death penalty

Conservative and Texan,,,,
topper7788 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:01 PM EST
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Pro choice, and pro death penalty here....
fishinguitarman Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:04 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Me,,
Pro Life,Anti death penalty

Conservative and Texan,,,,




Yeah and Texas was smart enough, the way I understand it, to put in an express line for killers. 3 or more eyewitnesses and they go to the FRONT of the line.

Good for Texas!
wheelrite Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:06 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Yeah and Texas was smart enough, the way I understand it, to put in an express line for killers. 3 or more eyewitnesses and they go to the FRONT of the line.

Good for Texas!


The use of the death penalty here in Texas is one thing that makes me ashamed...
rfenst Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:13 PM EST
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Unloess the execution occurs quickly, it costs more $$ to jail a death-sentance prisoner than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I also think that the death sentence appealate procedure(s) needs to be streemlined in a major way- or we simply need to just give people life sentences as a matter of expense.
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:16 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Unloess the execution occurs quickly, it costs more $$ to jail a death-sentance prisoner than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I also think that the death sentence appealate procedure(s) needs to be streemlined in a major way- or we simply need to just give people life sentences as a matter of expense.


What if they renamed the Death Penalty,"Abortion ".
jackconrad Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:19 PM EST
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Pro Choice is only the option for half the parties involved.
jig+pig Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:26 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
The use of the death penalty here in Texas is one thing that makes me ashamed...

don't be ashamed man. feel good that if your daughter is raped and killed that the motha effer that did it will DIE!

be ashamed of the Cowgirls!
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:31 PM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
don't be ashamed man. feel good that if your daughter is raped and killed that the motha effer that did it will DIE!

be ashamed of the Cowgirls!


If that happened.I'd likely want to kill the ****.But,it would be wrong.IMHO..


btw,,

The cowboys will win the NFC East next season...
fishinguitarman Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:32 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Unloess the execution occurs quickly, it costs more $$ to jail a death-sentance prisoner than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I also think that the death sentence appealate procedure(s) needs to be streemlined in a major way- or we simply need to just give people life sentences as a matter of expense.





You, sir, are quite right! I'd much prefer the expedited execution.
richokeeffe Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:37 PM EST
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on a serious note - I don't get the death penalty anyways.

It's not like killing an offender will bring back the people he or she killed
The prospect of a potential death penalty does not seem to be any form of a deterrent whatsoever
With all the appeals and court proceedings, it costs more to have someone die by death penalty than by just living out their lives in prison
There is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed by death penalty

As far as I can tell, the death penalty is just sanctioned killing by the state.
jig+pig Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:37 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
If that happened.I'd likely want to kill the ****.But,it would be wrong.IMHO..


btw,,

The cowboys will win the NFC East next season...


well, i really hope you nor I will ever have to deal with that!

as far as the cowboys winnin the east........well, i really cant say nothin bout that caus i'm a redskins fan. have seen how BAD the skins are?
jig+pig Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:39 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
on a serious note - I don't get the death penalty anyways.

It's not like killing an offender will bring back the people he or she killed
The prospect of a potential death penalty does not seem to be any form of a deterrent whatsoever
With all the appeals and court proceedings, it costs more to have someone die by death penalty than by just living out their lives in prison
There is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed by death penalty

As far as I can tell, the death penalty is just sanctioned killing by the state.


it might not keep other loons from doing the same crime. however it will keep the same person from doing it again!
richokeeffe Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:40 PM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
it might not keep other loons from doing the same crime. however it will keep the same person from doing it again!


so would life without parole
HockeyDad Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:43 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
so would life without parole



Only if you can guarantee they do not escape.
jig+pig Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:44 PM EST
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aren't you tired of paying for all these criminals on "life without parol"?
ever been in a prison and seen how they got it?
let me tell you, it would make you sick to your stomach if you see how these people are treated and you wanna pay for it.
MACS Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:46 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
The use of the death penalty here in Texas is one thing that makes me ashamed...


In my mind it's the one redeeming quality...
richokeeffe Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:47 PM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
aren't you tired of paying for all these criminals on "life without parol"?
ever been in a prison and seen how they got it?
let me tell you, it would make you sick to your stomach if you see how these people are treated and you wanna pay for it.


And it is still cheaper than it is to execute someone today.

Yes - I was assuming that we could arrange it such that they are never paroled - barring evidence that shows they are indeed innocent, that is.
MACS Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:48 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
so would life without parole


Yeah... but you're PAYING to keep them alive, fed, clothed and housed for the rest of their lives. Not to mention the TV, the gym equipment, books, computers, etc...
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 2:50 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
And it is still cheaper than it is to execute someone today.


Only because of the time it takes for all the appeals and all the lawyer fees associated with it. If they plead guilty, or there is scientific proof they did it... you get 3 days to say your goodbye's. That'd cut down on the cost BIG TIME.
richokeeffe Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:12 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
If they plead guilty, or there is scientific proof they did it... .


That is a whole lot stricter standard than it takes to convict someone and assign the death penalty.

I don't know that you can accept a guilty plea. Too much chance of mischief in obtaining that guilty plea.

And I don't know what form of scientific proof could be absolutely 100 percent certain that we do not kill an innocent person in the process.

In theory, the review process that a death sentence goes through filters out the cases that are sketchy, but I dunno.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:25 PM EST
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Sometimes you gotta break a few eggs.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:39 PM EST
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For those who oppose the death penalty because it costs MORE than life without parole, let me ask you this:

Would you be in favor of it (the death penalty) if it were cheaper?
richokeeffe Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
For those who oppose the death penalty because it costs MORE than life without parole, let me ask you this:

Would you be in favor of it (the death penalty) if it were cheaper?



if that were the sole reason, then yes. But it is only one reason for me.

Besides the reasons listed above, I also find it objectionable that there are only poor folks on Death Row.
Stinkdyr Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:47 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Unloess the execution occurs quickly, it costs more $$ to jail a death-sentance prisoner than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I also think that the death sentence appealate procedure(s) needs to be streemlined in a major way- or we simply need to just give people life sentences as a matter of expense.



Don't forget, lifers will waste a ton of taxpayer $$ appealing life sentences too.
Oh yes they do. Lawyers love it. They get paid.
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:56 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
if that were the sole reason, then yes. But it is only one reason for me.

Besides the reasons listed above, I also find it objectionable that there are only poor folks on Death Row.




Rich people do not commit those types of crimes.
richokeeffe Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 3:57 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Rich people do not commit those types of crimes.


yeah they do
fishinguitarman Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:02 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Rich people do not commit those types of crimes.




Yeah, Just ask O.J.

He's still lookin for the REAL killers
borndead1 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:05 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Yeah, Just ask O.J.

He's still lookin for the REAL killers



One thing we can all agree on: Johnnie Cochran was one hell of a lawyer.
fishinguitarman Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:06 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
One thing we can all agree on: Johnnie Cochran was one hell of a lawyer.




If it don't fit, you must acquit
schusler Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 5:16 PM EST
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Pro Choice-Pro Death Penalty

Pro Choice- doesnt the gov't take enough of your choices away already.
DadZilla3 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 6:35 PM EST
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Pro-life, pro-death penalty.
nine999 Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 6:44 PM EST
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pro choice. anti death.i know- it's contradictory...


nine
MACS Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 12:54 AM EST
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nine999 wrote:
pro choice. anti death.i know- it's contradictory...


nine


Not contradictory... just dumb. Kill an innocent child and let a scumbag douche live, on your dime...

Ridiculous.
richokeeffe Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 12:58 AM EST
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I just find it odd how the majority of folks are pro one and anti the other. or vice versa

Makes sense to me that if one believes in the sanctity of life that killing someone in the death penalty is inconsistent. Or, if you do not believe in the sanctity of life (pro-choice) that you ought to be ok with killing a criminal.
jackconrad Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 1:53 AM EST
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It's called being for Right or wrong...
topper7788 Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 9:46 AM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
I just find it odd how the majority of folks are pro one and anti the other. or vice versa

Makes sense to me that if one believes in the sanctity of life that killing someone in the death penalty is inconsistent. Or, if you do not believe in the sanctity of life (pro-choice) that you ought to be ok with killing a criminal.


Actually, i don't equate the death penalty at all with the abortion issue...I have no issue with the death penalty, only wish it was a faster process... Like, get convicted, an expedited appeal process, then kill the killer..

on the other issue, I wouldn't start a debate here period.... Way too divisive an issue.. I respect both arguments....But have my opinion..
cbc812 Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 10:54 AM EST
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Anti Death
Choice Life
Boobs
tweoijfoi Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 11:16 AM EST
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Seems like most of us agree on the death penalty. IMO it's not used enough, and we care too much about it being perfectly painless and "humane".
tailgater Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jan 21 2011, 12:03 PM EST
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I still cringe at this comparison.

Every aborted baby was innocent.
It can't even be debated.
Whistlebritches Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Jan 22 2011, 12:58 AM EST
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Pro-Life.........Pro-Death Penalty


Shouldn't be a real shocker on where I stand.Protect innocent life at all cost.Execute the scumbags among us.Makes perfect sense to me.


Ron
jpotts Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 12:41 AM EST
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Pro-life, Pro-death penalty.

Once gets due process before their termination, the other does not. That is the major distinction...
jpotts Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 12:45 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Unloess the execution occurs quickly, it costs more $$ to jail a death-sentance prisoner than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I also think that the death sentence appealate procedure(s) needs to be streemlined in a major way- or we simply need to just give people life sentences as a matter of expense.



First, that depends how long a prisoner can live in jail. Many of the life-forever types usually get taken out by other means (Jeffery Dahmer comes to mind).

Second, with an executed prisoner, you recidivism rate drops to 0%. Plus, the chance of them ever getting out of prison alive drops to 0% as well.

So, I think of it as money well spent...
skinnykenny Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 12:59 AM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
on a serious note - I don't get the death penalty anyways.

It's not like killing an offender will bring back the people he or she killed
The prospect of a potential death penalty does not seem to be any form of a deterrent whatsoever
With all the appeals and court proceedings, it costs more to have someone die by death penalty than by just living out their lives in prison
There is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed by death penalty

As far as I can tell, the death penalty is just sanctioned killing by the state.

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Well, if limits were restricted to appeals, evidence based appeals and trials would stream-line the process. The quick you kill them, the more of the deterrent. Let see "oh my it won't cost me my life, and in return I get a Free stay, Free food, Free entertainment, and a boy friend awesome sounds like a deal." yep life in prison doesn't seem that bad. Is when people start talking about rehabilitating the convicts, no kill them and move to the next. Just like a slaughter house. Give you bread and water, and one appeal that it. I would say the process should take something like maybe three days if that. Move more crimes to the death penalty level. That way it cost less tax money, more room in jails, and prison, and all that food they consume and go to the homeless since well we're not wasting it on some con. But hey that's MHO.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, Jan 23 2011, 1:02 AM EST
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we are piss-ing away a quadillion dollars a day to keep some gangs from living on some rocks or in some caves, and allowing our citizens to be killed or maimed in afganistan, and some people worry about the cost of incarcerating or executing convicted murderers. american logic at it's finist.

put the convicted killer in solitary for the rest of his life. no books, no radio, no tv,. a cyanide capsule his only entertainment.

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