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Will Cuba revolt next..??
DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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And will we sit back and watch if they do..?? Huh
Whistlebritches Offline
#2 Posted:
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Our current administration will set back until one side or the other is obviously going to win.Then they'll jump onboard,claim victory and pat themselves on the back.If Egypt goes south it is going to take a serious bite out of that Obama azz.


The O administration during the Egypt revolt was the most pathetic example of American politics since Carter.I am ashamed to have that mf'r as our president.


Ron
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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Mellow ya... he sucks...


was reading this earlier...

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/02/11/protests-egypt-spark-fears-cuba-growing-internet-opposition-movements/?test=latestnews
Lumpa Offline
#4 Posted:
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"Your hihgness, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it! They stink on ice!"
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
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LOL
borndead1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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If they do, cigar prices will go through the roof, then quality will fall through the floor.
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted:
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Might be a nice place to visit tho... I mean after we put everyone on the welfare and stuff.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Might be a nice place to visit tho... I mean after we put everyone on the welfare and stuff.... Mellow


Miami is nice in the Springtime.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
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Whistlebritches wrote:
The O administration during the Egypt revolt was the most pathetic example of American politics since Carter.I am ashamed to have that mf'r as our president.


Ron


I am curious about your analysis.
Why?
What did they do wrong?
How could they have done different?
Would it have even mattered?
If we cannot be on the same or better terms with Egypt w/o Mubarack why would that be O's fault.
Isn't what happens over the next 5, 10 20-25 years what really counts?
Whistlebritches Offline
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Joined: 04-23-2006
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rfenst wrote:
I am curious about your analysis.
Why?
What did they do wrong?
How could they have done different?
Would it have even mattered?
If we cannot be on the same or better terms with Egypt w/o Mubarack why would that be O's fault.
Isn't what happens over the next 5, 10 20-25 years what really counts?



1.Why?-Obumma and those mental midgets he has for friends should've stayed the fug out of it publicly.
2.What did they do wrong?-The entire administration looks like a bunch of clowns.10 minutes apart Obama cabinet members gave completely different answers to almost exactly the same question.This went on daily for 2 solid weeks.Proving what I've always suspected.........He's a rookie surrounded by a bunch of rookies.
3.How could they have done different?-Refer to #1
4.Would it have even mattered?Refer to #2
5.If we cannot be on the same or better terms with Egypt w/o Mubarack why would that be O's fault.-It wouldn't be his fault if he'd keep his trap shut.If he'd just let the chips fall where they may and then deal with it.....PUBLICLY.......behind the scenes I'm certain we were way more involved than anyone suspects.Obviously a professional was in charge of that operration......NOT OBUMMA.
6.Isn't what happens over the next 5, 10 20-25 years what really counts?-Absolutely.....thats why we need the buffoon out.I suggest you GOOGLE "Carter Iran".........another buffoon sent kicking rocks.


Ron
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
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Pedro despises Cubans.

He says they're racially confused...
donutboy2000 Offline
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Will Cuba Be the Next Egypt?
The most striking difference between the two countries is Internet access.


In Cuba there are no opposition political parties or nonstate media; rapid response brigades enforce the party line. Travel outside the country is not allowed without state approval. If peaceful dissidents with leadership skills can't be broken, they are eventually exiled. Or they are murdered.

The most striking difference between Cuba and Egypt is access to the Internet. In a March 2009 Freedom House report on Internet and digital media censorship world-wide, Egypt scored a 45 (out of 100), slightly worse than Turkey but better than Russia. Cuba scored a 90, making it more Net-censored than even Iran, China and Tunisia. Cellphone service is too expensive for most Cubans.

Yet technology does somehow seep into Cuba. When Fidel took the life of prisoner of conscience Pedro Boitel in 1972 by denying him water during a hunger strike, the world hardly noticed. By contrast, news of the regime's 2010 murder of prisoner of conscience Orlando Zapata Tamayo hit the Internet almost immediately and was met with worldwide condemnation. The military dictatorship was helpless to contain the bad publicity.

In a similar fashion, when the Ladies in White—a group of wives, sisters and mothers of political prisoners—walking peacefully in Havana were roughed up by state security last year, the images were captured on cellphones and immediately showed up on the Web. It was more bad PR for the Castro brothers and their friends like Mexican President Felipe Calderón and Spanish President José Luis Zapatero.

Technology-induced international pressure is making the regime increasingly reluctant to flatten critics the old-fashioned way. In an interview in Argentina's Ambito Financiero on Jan. 27, internationally recognized Cuban blogger Yoani Sánchez said the "style" of state repression has shifted from aggressive arrests and long sentences to targeted attempts at defamation and isolation. Ms. Sanchez also said that uniformed police are "distancing themselves from the political theme, not by orders from above, but because they no longer want to be associated with the repression." Now, she said, the intimidation and arbitrary arrests are largely carried out by the secret police in civilian clothes.
The Americas in the News

Get the latest information in Spanish from The Wall Street Journal's Americas page.

A little more space has emboldened the population. Ms. Sánchez also said in the interview that she is "optimistic about the slow and irreversible process of interior change in Cubans. In that the citizen critic will grow, will have less fear, and will feel that the mask is increasingly unnecessary and that it doesn't any longer translate into privileges and subsidies."

Last week a leaked video of a Cuban military seminar on how to combat technology hit the Internet. It demonstrates the dictatorship's preoccupation with the Web. The lecturer warns about the dangers of young people with an appealing discourse sharing information through technology and trying to organize. Real-time chat, Twitter and the emergence of young leaders in cyberspace—aka "a permanent battlefield"—are perils outlined in the hour-long talk. The lecturer also shares his concerns about U.S. government programs that try to increase Internet access outside of officialdom on the island.

On Friday, the regime further displayed its paranoia by charging U.S. Agency for International Development contractor Alan Gross with spying. Mr. Gross has been in jail for 14 months for giving Cuban Jews computer equipment so they could connect with the diaspora.

With very limited access, Cubans are already using the Internet to share what has until now been kept in their heads: counterrevolutionary thoughts. If those go viral, even a well-fed military will not be able to save the regime. But for now, Cubans can only dream about the freedoms Egyptians enjoy as they voice their grievances.


wsj
schusler Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
1.Why?-Obumma and those mental midgets he has for friends should've stayed the fug out of it publicly.
2.What did they do wrong?-The entire administration looks like a bunch of clowns.10 minutes apart Obama cabinet members gave completely different answers to almost exactly the same question.This went on daily for 2 solid weeks.Proving what I've always suspected.........He's a rookie surrounded by a bunch of rookies.
3.How could they have done different?-Refer to #1
4.Would it have even mattered?Refer to #2
5.If we cannot be on the same or better terms with Egypt w/o Mubarack why would that be O's fault.-It wouldn't be his fault if he'd keep his trap shut.If he'd just let the chips fall where they may and then deal with it.....PUBLICLY.......behind the scenes I'm certain we were way more involved than anyone suspects.Obviously a professional was in charge of that operration......NOT OBUMMA.
6.Isn't what happens over the next 5, 10 20-25 years what really counts?-Absolutely.....thats why we need the buffoon out.I suggest you GOOGLE "Carter Iran".........another buffoon sent kicking rocks.


Ron

i dont think the above post has any info in it... not 1 example asked for
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
donutboy2000 wrote:
Will Cuba Be the Next Egypt?
The most striking difference between the two countries is Internet access.


In Cuba there are no opposition political parties or nonstate media; rapid response brigades enforce the party line. Travel outside the country is not allowed without state approval. If peaceful dissidents with leadership skills can't be broken, they are eventually exiled. Or they are murdered.

The most striking difference between Cuba and Egypt is access to the Internet. In a March 2009 Freedom House report on Internet and digital media censorship world-wide, Egypt scored a 45 (out of 100), slightly worse than Turkey but better than Russia. Cuba scored a 90, making it more Net-censored than even Iran, China and Tunisia. Cellphone service is too expensive for most Cubans.

Yet technology does somehow seep into Cuba. When Fidel took the life of prisoner of conscience Pedro Boitel in 1972 by denying him water during a hunger strike, the world hardly noticed. By contrast, news of the regime's 2010 murder of prisoner of conscience Orlando Zapata Tamayo hit the Internet almost immediately and was met with worldwide condemnation. The military dictatorship was helpless to contain the bad publicity.

In a similar fashion, when the Ladies in White—a group of wives, sisters and mothers of political prisoners—walking peacefully in Havana were roughed up by state security last year, the images were captured on cellphones and immediately showed up on the Web. It was more bad PR for the Castro brothers and their friends like Mexican President Felipe Calderón and Spanish President José Luis Zapatero.

Technology-induced international pressure is making the regime increasingly reluctant to flatten critics the old-fashioned way. In an interview in Argentina's Ambito Financiero on Jan. 27, internationally recognized Cuban blogger Yoani Sánchez said the "style" of state repression has shifted from aggressive arrests and long sentences to targeted attempts at defamation and isolation. Ms. Sanchez also said that uniformed police are "distancing themselves from the political theme, not by orders from above, but because they no longer want to be associated with the repression." Now, she said, the intimidation and arbitrary arrests are largely carried out by the secret police in civilian clothes.
The Americas in the News

Get the latest information in Spanish from The Wall Street Journal's Americas page.

A little more space has emboldened the population. Ms. Sánchez also said in the interview that she is "optimistic about the slow and irreversible process of interior change in Cubans. In that the citizen critic will grow, will have less fear, and will feel that the mask is increasingly unnecessary and that it doesn't any longer translate into privileges and subsidies."

Last week a leaked video of a Cuban military seminar on how to combat technology hit the Internet. It demonstrates the dictatorship's preoccupation with the Web. The lecturer warns about the dangers of young people with an appealing discourse sharing information through technology and trying to organize. Real-time chat, Twitter and the emergence of young leaders in cyberspace—aka "a permanent battlefield"—are perils outlined in the hour-long talk. The lecturer also shares his concerns about U.S. government programs that try to increase Internet access outside of officialdom on the island.

On Friday, the regime further displayed its paranoia by charging U.S. Agency for International Development contractor Alan Gross with spying. Mr. Gross has been in jail for 14 months for giving Cuban Jews computer equipment so they could connect with the diaspora.

With very limited access, Cubans are already using the Internet to share what has until now been kept in their heads: counterrevolutionary thoughts. If those go viral, even a well-fed military will not be able to save the regime. But for now, Cubans can only dream about the freedoms Egyptians enjoy as they voice their grievances.


wsj


Cuban Jews don't use computers...

they say Hoy Vey Ole !!
rfenst Offline
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schusler wrote:
i dont think the above post has any info in it... not 1 example asked for



Quit being so technical.
HockeyDad Offline
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Cubans don't deserve freedom. Their parents put them in the situation that they are in and they have done nothing about it.

Cubans are one of the lowest forms of slave labor on the planet and occasionally we even get to take advantage of that. Until they get off their azzes, screw them.

...And screw the stupid embargo. I want to buy more of their slave labor products.
DrafterX Offline
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Mellow I want a cuban sammich....
DrafterX Offline
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and a beer... Mellow
Whistlebritches Offline
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schusler wrote:
i dont think the above post has any info in it... not 1 example asked for



I wasn't asked for examples Mr Brilliance.He said analysis..........Short form.The prez and the state department should've stayed mum publicly.....other than stating actual facts.If you want the algebraic form analysis you've asked the wrong person.Try a liberal.............when failing to dazzle you with brilliance they immediately attempt to baffle you with their bullsh*t.

BTW I hope you feel as though you got your moneys worth...........I threw the cliff notes definition of a liberal in for free.


Ron
Gene363 Offline
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donutboy2000 wrote:
Will Cuba Be the Next Egypt?
The most striking difference between the two countries is Internet access.
...

With very limited access, Cubans are already using the Internet to share what has until now been kept in their heads: counterrevolutionary thoughts. If those go viral, even a well-fed military will not be able to save the regime. But for now, Cubans can only dream about the freedoms Egyptians enjoy as they voice their grievances.


wsj


Yes! IMO, it was information leaked into the USSR that helped us win the cold war. The KGB no longer had a strangle hold on information.

And begs the question, Why does Obama want an 'Internet Kill Switch'?
rfenst Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Why does Obama want an 'Internet Kill Switch?



Why dirty-up the discussion over a "kill-switch" with your political feelings towards Obama? If the bill passes, it will convey a new power on the Presidency, not Obama!

Anyhow, the supposed benefit of such a kill-switch would be to protect the U.S. from a cyber attack that could cripple our communications, financial sytem and possibly our military., etc., etc. I would not have thought that any President would have had to have statutory authority as Comander in Chief to protect the homeland from such an attack, military or otherwise.

IYes, it is difficult for Americans to understand anything that infringes our right to communicate freely. Very, very difficult.- and, I think that is a major part of the issue.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to read too much about the kill-switch bill and the full reasoning behind it and against it, but if things get so bad that it is being used to thwart a revolution instead of a cyber attack, I am not so sure I will even want to be around...

donutboy2000 Offline
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Farewell lefty !
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted:
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The cybersecurity bill is not about an "internet kill switch". It is about Federal seizure of privately owned "critical infrastructure". It is electronics Martial Law without legal or congressional oversight. Wartime powers without a war.
Stinkdyr Offline
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Why would los cubanos revolt?

They are already living la revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!


viva Fidel and Che !!!!!!!!!
dey ave given us de utopia socialist society!!!!


:d/
Kawak Offline
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I will do what ever Pharaoh Obama tells me to do.
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