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Northsidepk Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 2:57 PM EST
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Seems that state of Florida has adopted a new policy for drivers license applicant's....

After you pass the required tests and pay the required fees you are no longer issued a drivers license...

You are issued a temporary drivers license that is good for 30 days....

This is to allot time for a background check with the department of homeland security.....

If you pass the background check a permanent drivers license is mailed to you with......

a STAR in the upper right hand corner to signify you have passed inspection ........


Jeez seems like just 60-70 years ago someone else was putting stars on people in the name of the homeland......
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 3:01 PM EST
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Star of David Bureaucrat OUTRAGE!!!
Don't worry when were I'd tagged we won't need these steps.
Northsidepk Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 3:04 PM EST
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Georgia has instituted the same policy.....I believe its going to go nationwide...
chiefburg Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:05 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Star of David Bureaucrat OUTRAGE!!!
Don't worry when were I'd tagged we won't need these steps.

Hey hey hey.....it's not true OUTRAGE until HD has weighed in. I'll withhold my inner-outrage (is there such a thing????) until he has a chance to comment......
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:14 PM EST
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REAL ID.

All states must comply. Show me your papers and they better not be some
"Certificate of Live Birth" crap.
jackconrad Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:15 PM EST
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What's wrong with that ? They should give you ok for guns and flying along with it...
borndead1 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:55 PM EST
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Background check with DHS??? For a freakin' driver's license? Do the illegal immigrants who apply for a driver's license get the same background check, and if so, will they be deported?


National ID is coming.

frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:56 PM EST
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Northsidepk wrote:
Seems that state of Florida has adopted a new policy for drivers license applicant's....

After you pass the required tests and pay the required fees you are no longer issued a drivers license...

You are issued a temporary drivers license that is good for 30 days....

This is to allot time for a background check with the department of homeland security.....

If you pass the background check a permanent drivers license is mailed to you with......

a STAR in the upper right hand corner to signify you have passed inspection ........


Jeez seems like just 60-70 years ago someone else was putting stars on people in the name of the homeland......


I must be becoming more tolerant here. On another thread I objected to Holocaust related terms (the way they were being used anyway) but I can't seem to muster up the outrage for using stars...somehow I just don't connect that to the Holocaust, though I am well ware of their use back then.

Yup, stars have the Seal of Approval. Use them on any document you like.
borndead1 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 5:09 PM EST
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So now, any illegal immigrant or terrorist will just drive without a license, or get a fake one.


Yet another law that will be ignored by criminals, while it punishes and inconveniences law abiding people.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 5:11 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I must be becoming more tolerant here. On another thread I objected to Holocaust related terms (the way they were being used anyway) but I can't seem to muster up the outrage for using stars...somehow I just don't connect that to the Holocaust, though I am well ware of their use back then.

Yup, stars have the Seal of Approval. Use them on any document you like.



Inconsistent outrage outrage!
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 5:13 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
So now, any illegal immigrant or terrorist will just drive without a license, or get a fake one.


Yet another law that will be ignored by criminals, while it punishes and inconveniences law abiding people.




REAL ID came out of the 9/11 investigation. It was the closest we could get short of a National ID. The plan is to make it harder for illigals and terrorists to blend in and hide. Basically force them totally underground.
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 7:13 PM EST
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Driving on the road or being issued a driver's licensce in Florida is NOT A RIGHTe. It is a privalege. Personally and as a Floridian, I like the idea.

In Florida, driving privileges are suspended for failure to pay child support, failure to show up in criminal court, probation violations, failure to pay for auto accident related damages, previous aresst for drunk driving, etc. Why not take the time to make sure the driver is truly entitled to one?

Also, it is a great way to force compliance and fulfilment of obligations and duties.
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 8:01 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Inconsistent outrage outrage!

Fugget LOL...I actually laughed out loud!
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 8:05 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Driving on the road or being issued a driver's licensce in Florida is NOT A RIGHTe. It is a privalege. Personally and as a Floridian, I like the idea.

In Florida, driving privileges are suspended for failure to pay child support, failure to show up in criminal court, probation violations, failure to pay for auto accident related damages, previous aresst for drunk driving, etc. Why not take the time to make sure the driver is truly entitled to one?

Also, it is a great way to force compliance and fulfilment of obligations and duties.


So,

Should voters have to show a proper ID to vote ?
DadZilla3 Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 8:47 PM EST
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Northsidepk wrote:
Jeez seems like just 60-70 years ago someone else was putting stars on people in the name of the homeland......


Oh but...'It can't happen here'.
donutboy2000 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 9:06 PM EST
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How could this happen in Obama's America?
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 9:15 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
So,

Should voters have to show a proper ID to vote ?



Of course. But you don't need a D/L to vote. You just need a form of acceptable identification. D/L is only one of many ways to prove one's identity for the purpose of voting here.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 10:40 PM EST
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Right Robert. But in states like mine (Oregon) illegals used to use utillity bills and matricula cards to obtain DL to get welfare and voting registration. Also good governor made the announcement and used paid advertising to get the word out. Also increased the length to renew to 10 years!
borndead1 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 9:55 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Driving on the road or being issued a driver's licensce in Florida is NOT A RIGHTe. It is a privalege. Personally and as a Floridian, I like the idea.

In Florida, driving privileges are suspended for failure to pay child support, failure to show up in criminal court, probation violations, failure to pay for auto accident related damages, previous aresst for drunk driving, etc. Why not take the time to make sure the driver is truly entitled to one?

Also, it is a great way to force compliance and fulfilment of obligations and duties.



I don't even know where to begin with this post. I could go into a big long rant, but instead I will ask Robert a question.

Robert, what do you think the role of government is?
Northsidepk Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 10:22 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I don't even know where to begin with this post. I could go into a big long rant, but instead I will ask Robert a question.

Robert, what do you think the role of government is?


Evidently he believe's the government is here to manage our lives.
richokeeffe Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 10:56 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Driving on the road or being issued a driver's licensce in Florida is NOT A RIGHTe. It is a privalege. Personally and as a Floridian, I like the idea.

In Florida, driving privileges are suspended for failure to pay child support, failure to show up in criminal court, probation violations, failure to pay for auto accident related damages, previous aresst for drunk driving, etc. Why not take the time to make sure the driver is truly entitled to one?

Also, it is a great way to force compliance and fulfilment of obligations and duties.


Which brings up the crux of the matter for me - under what conditions is the "approval" given?

If one has a felony conviction are they denied a license?
If one has a history of DUI?
Is it only federal DHS "watch" lists?
Or do they use the notorious "do not fly" list?

If the conditions are known, and there is a right of appeal should a person disagree, and the mechanisms are somewhat transparent, I have less concern. Sadly, many of the post-9/11 security programs that we have implemented smack of police states.

(edit -I just re-read this. I am speaking to the DHS approval star - not to the other uses that the State of Florida has for enforcing its laws)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 11:08 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I don't even know where to begin with this post. I could go into a big long rant, but instead I will ask Robert a question.

Robert, what do you think the role of government is?



Here comes the Freedom Train!!!!

horse
Northsidepk Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 11:20 AM EST
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Uh Oh....Is the good Dr. another one that likes the government to make our decisions for us?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 11:30 AM EST
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Northsidepk wrote:
Uh Oh....Is the good Dr. another one that likes the government to make our decisions for us?



Really?

Are you kidding me?

If it's not in the Constitution I don't need or want it by my government.

whip
Northsidepk Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 12:01 PM EST
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Whew! Had me wondering there!
jojoc Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Feb 24 2011, 8:05 PM EST
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interesting. Seems odd that some of the same people that scream about how all the illegal residents are causing problems in America, but the get mad when a state tries to do something to slow it down or stop it. Advantage of the check through DHS is that if they are not a citizen or are not a legal resident, then it will flag as a potential fraud and trigger investigation.
Kawak Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Feb 24 2011, 9:47 PM EST
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Holocaust?? Has that been proven yet?
FATASH Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Feb 25 2011, 2:08 AM EST
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Kawak wrote:
Holocaust?? Has that been proven yet?

ram27bat
SmokingGuns Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 5:00 PM EST
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Quote:
Holocaust?? Has that been proven yet?


You can ask the brave people of the USS liberty
SmokingGuns Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 5:06 PM EST
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Star of David Bureaucrat OUTRAGE!!!
Don't worry when were I'd tagged we won't need these steps.


Herfing check the bottom left of this page you will see one made of tobacco leaf
rfenst Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 5:58 PM EST
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SmokingGuns wrote:
Herfing check the bottom left of this page you will see one made of tobacco leaf


Your Liberty comment is a low blow, but I commend you on your keen observation of the six-pointed star!
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