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No change here

thus Bush = Obama = Butt Suckness

^ at least you are still gay.

My exact same, instantaneous, thought.

Workin 6 days a week for less pay .got to love this liberal democrap gov.

Your're a commie and Jade's a queer !!

I am working a whole lot less hours,
and making a whole lot more money.
But that has more to do with the evolution, and maturing of my business, than anything to do with politics.


Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

It's all the next President's fault.

"As a retired 30 yr. member of the UAW you have no clue about how much "MORE" power than we already. No way bankruptcy would have helped. And I have seen first hand the ripple effects of one assembly plant closing and I shudder to think what might have happened had not one but two major American Corporations had gone under. And lastly I worked for the one that didn't get a bailout." - ggriffi

When you wipe out bond and shareholders to give the UAW 6 seats at the BOD you MOST certainly put more power into the union.

Sorry, but everyone was eating high on the hog working for those 2. Management and union workers alike. There was more than enough blame to go around. The American taxpayer didn't need to be conned into a forced loan. Companies go bankrupt all the time. There are bankruptcy protection laws that allow a company to still function while they restructure. Look it up. All this BS about the doomsday "what if's" is mute. We'll never know what ripple effects because all we did was stall them. GM will fall again and Chrysler was bought by a company that couldn't even import here anymore because their cars were so terrible!

As far as Ford goes...I have nothing but good things to say about them and not taking the govt. money. They acted like a business that was responsible and wanted to thrive within the capitalist model not the socialist one.

I now have multiple copies of all family members' birth certificates in safety deposit box.

Conservatives think governments don't create jobs and Presidents have little effect on the economy.

My wife has actually had the opposite experience. Promotions and raises totalling around 40%, not including bonuses. Maybe if the financial markets hadn't blown to bits due to de-regulation and greed, you'd be doing much better. But I guess it's just easier to blame Obama for not hiring you, or something.

I hate the premise of this debate ...

I want to be allowed to succeed or fail on my own..
Sure,my business is down a bit.But,it's up to me to make it happen.

I'll say this,,
This recession would've run it's course in short order without The Fed Govt's intervention.Only the economy and markets can right themslves..

Red.....blue....purple....

As a direct result of higher fuel prices, less people are driving.... That means less people are wearing out their cars, and don't need repairs... That's where I come in... I do the repairs... DEFINITELY not as much as I used to... Making roughly half of what I used to.... But hey!!!! At least the guy that started this thread can capitalize on the people that have lost everything!!!! Good times!!!!

Too big to fail was a result of the derivitive market not being regulated, open or monitored.

And, once again, poor people did NOT cause this crisis, CRA did not cause this crisis, simply not true. I know Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh keep saying it, but it's still not true.

Full Report:

http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/fcic/20110310172443/http://fcic.gov/

From http://www.lexisnexis.com/community/realestatelaw/blogs/troubledloans/archive/2011/02/14/finally-financial-crisis-explained-in-government-report-issued-january-27-2011-analyzing-factors-in-crisis-including-housing.aspx

Attempt to Solve Redlining - with CRA -- Was Not the Problem

The panel specifically addressed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and concluded that the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. The CRA, which was enacted in 1977, sought to address redlining whereby banks denied credit to individuals and businesses in certain neighborhoods without regard to the applicants' creditworthiness. The panel noted that many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA and that only 6% of high-cost loans (a proxy for subprime loans) had any connection to the CRA. Chapter 5, titled "Subprime Lending," cites to a 1997 study that indicated that loans made under the CRA performed consistently with the rest of the banks' portfolios, suggesting that CRA lending was not riskier than other lending.

This financial crisis was avoidable.
Widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision proved devastating to the stability of the nation's financial markets.
Dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many systemically important financial institutions were a key cause of this crisis.
A combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and lack of transparency put the financial system on collision course with crisis.
The government was ill prepared for the crisis, and its inconsistent response added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial markets.
There was a systemic breakdown in accountability and ethics.
Collapsing mortgage-lending standards and the mortgage securitization pipeline lit and spread the flame of contagion and crisis.
Over-the-counter derivatives contributed significantly to this crisis.
Failures of the credit rating agencies were essential cogs in the wheel of financial destruction.

Dude,,
like it or not,
It all started with the Libs mandating that loans be made to people who never had a prayer of paying it back. Not to mention all the Libs/former Clinton staff that got filthy rich at Fannie and Freddie and walked away scott free..

wheel,

it is...
ask Barney Frank the homo that ran an gay brothel from his home,Jimmy Carter ,our worst pres,and Bill Clinton ,the adulterer..

ha ha ha !

Hmm...let me see my life really hasn’t changed at all...some old **** still deploy...still get paid. So yeah. Not really big on politickin’. Heck i didn’t even vote last time...too much of a hassle i was deployed and i didn’t like any of the candidates....

And Progressives think that's all the government should be doing! Well, that and feeding you...burping you and tucking you into bed at night too!

Yeah, I'm really glad those Founding Fathers put the pen to the paper, sacrificed their own livelihoods and personal safety so you could play mamby-pamby with their concepts.

Please show me where they wrote out that the government should be an employer like under this administration? Average salaries beyond the norm, favoritism to campaign donors...yeah...still think its those boogey men Conservatives though? They're always out to get you!

Thank you for that fine example of a straw man.

Maybe it is implied?!

Your opinion must hold for the opposite of this statement...




That's a problem. I consider myself to be a Conservative. It's not government's place to create a job for ANYONE! That's why I asked for you to point out where in the documents does it say it's government's role to create jobs? A government that gives you a payday is a government that's stealing from somewhere to do it! Yes...STEALING! We're supposed to be operating under a budget...and we're not. There's never been a surplus. Your weakass attempt to show there ever was was blown out of the water as being a projection. It was a vapor on paper that never materialized...ever. Now you're stating that CRA and our own government sat around and were victimized? Nope.

As far as your President statement, I'd buy into that one too but not with the current pRESIDENT. He's a pox. His lobbyists rammed down another round of bailouts, stiffled us with (what should be un-Constitutional!) Obamacare that we cannot even fund, entered us into yet another war and continues to rack the debt with more and more. He does have an effect on the economy. NOBODY is going to invest in America with this guy behind the wheel. They're marking time and will wait this guy out of office. Economists everywhere loathe what he's doing and despite their best efforts to notify the White House that the rocks on the shore are dead up ahead...he's not listening. There are scads of them out there that say he's exactly what I'm saying...he's a pox on America!


Obama is a fine, very impressive person. He really is. Unfortunately, everything that he is doing in economics is exactly wrong. He is a crappy president,” Laffer said.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35341

“I think the White House has this completely wrong,” Moore said. “The Republicans are saying we are not going to let you have the increase in the debt until you get this spending under control.”

“If Republicans fold on this one, which I don’t think they are going to do, but if they blink first . . . that’s what put America at risk of a financial crisis and a potential run on the dollar and a run on U.S. bonds.”

Moore said he approves of Republican House Speaker John Boehner’s call to cut spending by every dollar the debt limit is raised. “That’s a good way of framing the issue,” he said, adding, “The real question is, how much is Obama willing to cut the budget?”

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-debt-ceiling-/2011/06/04/id/398832


However, economists' main criticism of the Obama team centered on delays in enacting key parts of plans to rescue banks. "They overpromised and underdelivered," said Stephen Stanley of RBS Greenwich Capital. "Secretary Geithner scheduled a big speech and came out with just a vague blueprint. The uncertainty is hanging over everyone's head."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123671107124286261.html

I can keep going with this if you REALLY need more examples. The only economists that do approve of Owebama's Presidency are the ones making his policy and attending the State dinners.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/michelle-malkin-hannity-1


LOL!!!

Pointed out that time and time again...FAILURE from the Economic front that promised they'd be transparent...look at them. Eat the Hannity/Malkin lovefest...POW! Nailed to the floor with their OpEd from FoxNews. You have to hear about weiner first though!

Strawman?

Please...come to the table with something of real tangible fact..not some "If" "And" or "But" defending this stooge. There is no way in Hell you can post the drivel on here defending this guy when you , Rick and any other water carrier railed (and STILL do!!!!) on GW Bush for 8 years. Oh, he was the worst we heard. He's stupid we heard. Now with Hope and Change in front of our steaming eyes we see the sheer failure and incompetence the magnitude that Keystone Cops episodes were written around! There is not one single thing this guy has done that erases 3 I can think of!

Talk about a strawman...Hope and Change.

I can no longer find key lime water at any price

When is he planning on starting?