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jpotts Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2011, 9:36 PM EST
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Last time I checked, I thought Idi Amin Jr. was against this whole "bomb the brown people overseas" thing. Now we find he's boming the hell out of some brown people in Libya, which - last time I checked - was an act of war, especially without any provication whatsoever by Col. Mumu.

Should Idi Amin Jr. be impeached? Should Joe Biden be frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs?
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2011, 9:46 PM EST
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Rahm has great timing ...
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2011, 10:48 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Last time I checked, I thought Idi Amin Jr. was against this whole "bomb the brown people overseas" thing. Now we find he's boming the hell out of some brown people in Libya, which - last time I checked - was an act of war, especially without any provication whatsoever by Col. Mumu.

Should Idi Amin Jr. be impeached? Should Joe Biden be frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs?


Impeached? What a joke.
A few cruise missiles here and there means nothing compared to all the other things past Presidents have done. As long as we back out of it quickly as **claimed** we will, who cares? I don't, unless the rebels are even worse than Qaddafi...
donutboy2000 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2011, 10:50 PM EST
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Obama = CRUSADER
robertknyc Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 12:11 AM EST
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Monday, Mar 21, 2011 17:37 ET
Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"
Both say President Obama overstepped his constitutional authority by giving green light to intervention in Libya Video
By Peter Finocchiaro
Democracy Now

Outspoken critics on the left are raising hell over the Obama administration's authorization of military force in Libya, calling it "unconstitutional." Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader recently rattled off a list of U.S. military and intelligence directives -- apparently including action in Libya -- that he views as egregious violations of international law and grounds for impeachment:

Why don't we say what's on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached.

Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich made a similar statement today. In particular, Kucinich castigated Obama for pursuing military intervention in Libya without congressional authorization:

President Obama moved forward without Congress approving. He didn't have Congressional authorization, he has gone against the Constitution, and that's got to be said. It's not even disputable, this isn't even a close question. Such an action ... is a grave decision that cannot be made by the president alone.

Kucinich's and Nader's arguments against the constitutionality of Obama's authorization of force are based on an interpretation of the War Power Act. Passed by Congress in 1973 -- after a decade-long quagmire in Vietnam -- the legislation requires the president to inform Congress within 48 hours of any U.S. military attack where national security is not at stake. President Obama submitted such a letter to House Speaker John Boehner today. Beyond that, the Act mandates that the commander in chief seek congressional approval after 60 days of military action.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/21/ralph_nader_obama_impeachment/
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 12:28 AM EST
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Freshman Republicans have joined the garden knome from Ohio in saying this is unconstitutional.
Like I said the cowboy at least got expanded powers from congress for legal cover.
Barry Satoro cares not one lick what any document forged by racist slave owners says. He was trained by American heros.....
Papachristou Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 8:48 AM EST
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i dont think a prez has gone to get permission from congress since ww2. As much as i dislike obama, i would have to say republican presidents have done worse without congressional authority. its just a few cruise missles (about $1 million each i think x 136 launched) and a lousy f15 fighter jet. They are only like $30 million i think. So we have only spent about $175 million on libya in a matter of days.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 8:59 AM EST
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Well, there goes his chance of winning another Peace Prize this year.... Mellow
richokeeffe Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 9:02 AM EST
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It is hardly unconstitutional for the sitting US President to authorize military force when the UN Security Council has asked for it.

My opinions about the UN and our military not withstanding.

The President cannot declare war without Congressional approval and, as indicated in post 6, all the President is required to do is inform them.

Given the coverage of the action, it would be very difficult for Congress to claim they are uninformed.

Well, more than usual anyways ....................
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 9:18 AM EST
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Yeah the 1973 war powers act is waaaaay overrated........
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 9:20 AM EST
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“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama responded.


“As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States,” Obama continued. “In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch.”



Just sayin'...so was he too.
robertknyc Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 9:54 AM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
It is hardly unconstitutional for the sitting US President to authorize military force when the UN Security Council has asked for it.


What? Since when does the constitution mention the UN?
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 9:56 AM EST
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it's somewhere towards the back.... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 11:54 AM EST
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robertknyc wrote:
What? Since when does the constitution mention the UN?



Its enumerated in the penumbra. Didn't you know that?
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 11:57 AM EST
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Under the 1973 war powers act we're attacking Lybia for "humanitarian " reasons (quoting POTUS Barry Sotoro).
oh media watch dogs.....where art thou?
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:18 PM EST
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It's all ok. Since he really wasn't born here and he is not the legit Prez no laws have been broken (at least not the 73 thingamabob).
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:46 PM EST
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You have to admit we come up with some of the coolest names

Operation Urgent Fury , Operation El Dorado Canyon , Operation Nimble Archery, Operation Classic Resolve, Operation Just Cause, Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm, Operation Provide Comfort, Operation Provide Promise, Operation Uphold Democracy, Operation Deliberate Force, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Odyssey Dawn.
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:47 PM EST
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Operation Bank Rupt
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:48 PM EST
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Sad all thos operations and still no CROS......
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:58 PM EST
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He was wounded during my favorite undeclared war, Operation Urgent Fury. Thats when he lost the use of his first leg.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 1:59 PM EST
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I thought they were trying to find him... not kill him... OhMyGod
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:00 PM EST
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I think he lost the other while trying to light his bong during Operation Just Cause. My other fave.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:02 PM EST
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Is that one the first time we used the tsuami machine..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:11 PM EST
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It had been tested in smaller scale earlier, but this is the first time it was used to that extent. That and really loud rock music.

CROS lost his leg because the tsuami made his weed wet and he tried to use a flame thrower to dry it. He forgot about all the deisel fuel on his jeans. Luckily he accidently cauterized things.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:14 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
CROS lost his leg because the tsuami made his weed wet and he tried to use a flame thrower to dry it. He forgot about all the deisel fuel on his jeans. Luckily he accidently cauterized things.




prolly not the first time this has happened... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:16 PM EST
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or the last. When he was n bosnia he accidently lit a whole block on fire. He blamed the serbs.
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:26 PM EST
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a block of weed..?? like a kilo..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:29 PM EST
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prolly
Papachristou Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:29 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Operation Bank Rupt


Applause
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:32 PM EST
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I heard that this Libya effort has already cost more than Iraq\Afghan combined.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:35 PM EST
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we'll get some back after we raid the palaces and stuff.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 2:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard that this Libya effort has already cost more than Iraq\Afghan combined.



That is not true. Obama's stimulus package cost more than Iraq\Afghan combined.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 3:16 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That is not true. Obama's stimulus package cost more than Iraq\Afghan combined.


That is one expensive hooker.
chiefburg Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 3:21 PM EST
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Man, this is better than going to the movies - how entertaining. I some how feel I owe admission to this thread. And, this is kind of like Reading Rainbow - not only was I entertained, I was educated. Thank you.

What about these operations?

- Operation Cry Wolf
- Operation High Horse
- Operation Out Rage
- Operation Anal Probe
- Operation Impeach Clinton
- Operation Intestinal Blockage
- Operation Bent ******
and last, but certainly not least
- Operation Hope and Change

Let's be fair and not miss any in the future.......
ZRX1200 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 3:38 PM EST
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Ha!!!
HockeyDad Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 3:39 PM EST
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Le HockeyDad is currently operating under the command and control of Operation Indifferent Outrage.
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 3:41 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Le HockeyDad is currently operating under the command and control of Operation Indifferent Outrage.




that's cause nobody's bending your ******.... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 4:01 PM EST
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Did CROS burn that too??
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 4:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Did CROS burn that too??


no it was always black.
wheelrite Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011, 8:43 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Le HockeyDad is currently operating under the command and control of Operation Indifferent Outrage.


Vichy outrage !!
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