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bs_kwaj Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 2:30 PM EST
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So, I'm just curious if anybody is as outraged over those stupid murdering murderers in Afghanistan going on a vicious murderous rampage as those stupid murderers were about some no name guy in the US burning a book.
richokeeffe Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 2:38 PM EST
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actually, I have been wondering if there is a legal case that can be made where those Florida idiots can be either sued for damages or jailed for reckless endangerment
kombat96 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 2:41 PM EST
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wheres our resident lawyer?
Gene363 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 2:42 PM EST
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Meh..

We tolerate members of the Westboro Baptist Church taunting the families of a fallen hero and we can tolerate a nut job burning a book.

When you let yourself be controlled by the action(s) of others you become their slave.
bs_kwaj Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 2:45 PM EST
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Yeah, but still, shouldn't a little bit of the blame go to the stupid vicious murdering murderers?

(edit: oops, I tried to post this after #2)

(edit2: and just to be clear, my intent on this thread was about the murderous rampage and not the book burning, actually. Although the subject does draw attention to that.)
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 3:35 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
actually, I have been wondering if there is a legal case that can be made where those Florida idiots can be either sued for damages or jailed for reckless endangerment



It is sad that people were killed.

Other cultures don't understand that the burning of items, including others' religious texts, is one of our freedoms, and that just because one person or small group does so, they don't represent every other American.

Nevertheless, I think it is morally wrong to burn someone else's holey book. Outrage should be expected- along with retribution- from certain groups.

As to a legal claim for wrongful death or charge for committing a crime for the deaths, I very highly doubt it. Now, if they burn more Korans and people are killed as retribution which would be foreseeable,t hen there **might** be a claim or charge, but I still very highly doubt it.
jimbud Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 3:38 PM EST
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I rarely post on political threads, but this story drove me to do so. First, Rich, I'm a lawyer an there is no case to be made. I'm sure rfenst will agree. Second, the fact that some nut job burns a book and causes this kind of outrage and flag burning is truly insightful about those we are dealing with over there. We don't understand them and never will. We need to eliminate any dependence on that area of the world, get out, and forget about it. Just my 2cents.
jimbud Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 3:41 PM EST
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^sorry, didn't see rfenst had already posted before I did so.
chiefburg Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 3:47 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
It is sad that people were killed.

Other cultures don't understand that the burning of items, including others' religious texts, is one of our freedoms, and that just because one person or small group does so, they don't represent every other American.

Nevertheless, I think it is morally wrong to burn someone else's holey book. Outrage should be expected- along with retribution- from certain groups.

As to a legal claim for wrongful death or charge for committing a crime for the deaths, I very highly doubt it. Now, if they burn more Korans and people are killed as retribution which would be foreseeable,t hen there **might** be a claim or charge, but I still very highly doubt it.

Robert: Was your spelling of "holy" as "holey" intentional or a Fruadian slip????
jackconrad Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 3:56 PM EST
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Screw the Islamist KILLER MORONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rfenst Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 4:41 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
Rich, I'm a lawyer... .



What kind?
kombat96 Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 4:42 PM EST
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i knew rfenst would set the record straight...lol legal joke in there too
rfenst Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 4:43 PM EST
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chiefburg wrote:
Robert: Was your spelling of "holy" as "holey" intentional or a Fruadian slip????



Purely accidental. I am a terrible speller and it made it through spell check...
jimbud Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
What kind?



Civil litigator.
Kawak Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Apr 3 2011, 8:32 PM EST
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I say in the model of our dear leader we should continue to just let muslims burn american flags, throw shoes, burn images of our presidents, send them money, apologize for things we do or for offending them, feel sorry for them when they kill people in cold blood because they are misunderstood. Despite the fact that they treat women like shiit, murder indiscriminantly, act fanatical at every turn etc...etc...etc... And while what they did in FL was stupid and served no purpose all americans should be be-headed when we do something to offend them.

America should just continue to bend over and take it up the a$$ as we always have and just deal.

Sarcasm
Papachristou Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 8:57 AM EST
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i would not think they could be held responsible in any way shape or form. people do things all the time that i disapprove of or insult my religious beliefs but that doesnt mean i go off killing people because of it. at the end of the day, the people committing the act are responsible for their own actions. It only shows their ignorance and how hopeless the mission in afganistan really is. you cannot reason with people who dont think for themselves. it is religion or nothing for them. all these uprising across the middle east/africa that america is supporting... these arent uprisings for democracy, they want strict sharia law!

moreover, their animalistic actions show the need for a dictator to rule them with an iron fist IMO. it is the only way to control them.
Gene363 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 9:35 AM EST
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bs_kwaj wrote:
Yeah, but still, shouldn't a little bit of the blame go to the stupid vicious murdering murderers?

(edit: oops, I tried to post this after #2)

(edit2: and just to be clear, my intent on this thread was about the murderous rampage and not the book burning, actually. Although the subject does draw attention to that.)


Give'm knives to fight with and shoot the winner.


When you let yourself be controlled by the action(s) of others you become their slave.
Stinkdyr Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:19 AM EST
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I noticed the religion of peace had no problem burning an American flag to protest some gringo burning a book.


pots, kettles...

Think
Papachristou Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:21 AM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
I noticed the religion of peace had no problem burning an American flag to protest some gringo burning a book.


pots, kettles...

Think


touche stinky.... no one seems to be getting bent out of shape about that horse effing amazing...
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:33 AM EST
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I bet I could burn a stack of afghan flags witout much trouble.
richokeeffe Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:35 AM EST
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I should have perhaps been clearer

I find it outrageous that a group over there is able to use the f-ukkin stoopid actions of an idiot in Florida as justification to kill other people who had nothing to do with the act. and downright disheartening to me as it clearly shows that we have little hope of doing much of anything other than wasting lives needlessly by staying there. My nephew was in the Corps over there for a stint. One of my best friends has done two tours in the sandbox. I f-ukcing hate how pointless it all seems.

AND - it won't stick all the way through to a judgement that they pay a nickel from - but were it my son that was killed by the mob, and it was this idiot whose burning of the Koran incited said mob, I would be going hard after every penny this idiot ever had. Yes, he has the right of free speech. That right is not universal - the classic example being that you cannot shout FIRE in a theater or cannot threaten to shoot a US President.

It is dooshnozzles like this dope in Florida, and f-uktards like the imans who are getting followers to commit terrible atrocities in the name of Allah that give religion a bad name
richokeeffe Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 11:37 AM EST
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Take _THAT_ bad language filters
dpnewell Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Apr 4 2011, 12:59 PM EST
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Uh, folks, I saw video on the news where they where burning Christian crosses and other symbols in protest. Way aren't the Christians in America out killing Muslims over this? Oh, that's right, because Christianity isn't "the religion of peace". My bad.
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#24 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 6:39 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Uh, folks, I saw video on the news where they where burning Christian crosses and other symbols in protest. Way aren't the Christians in America out killing Muslims over this? Oh, that's right, because Christianity isn't "the religion of peace". My bad.



Very good point, they've been killing people over there who were there to help. Medical personnel or christian outreach types but that's OK. Burn one of their sacred books and look the hell out......The are crazy as bedbugs and have been smart enough to tie ALL aspects of their lives to Allah, that a way no one is safe saying anything about them without cause for killing.....we need to PULL OUT NOW. Hell yesterday!!!!
HockeyDad Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 6:53 AM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
I noticed the religion of peace had no problem burning an American flag to protest some gringo burning a book.


pots, kettles...

Think




This does not bother me. It was most likely Chinese-made anyway and never even entered the USA.
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 6:55 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
This does not bother me. It was most likely Chinese-made anyway and never even entered the USA.



Sad but no doubt TRUE.....
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 6:57 AM EST
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In the grand scheme of things, this is the sort of thing that happens when people take their religion seriously.

Bring back the Crusades.
dstieger Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 7:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Bring back the Crusades.


Ok. But let's make it a 'limited war' this time. Leave the Pagans and the Mongols alone, please.
Stinkdyr Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 8:04 AM EST
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None of this actually happened and none of our troops are in danger because.........





wait




wait



Obama and Pelosi ended the wars like they promised they would !!


Applause
Papachristou Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 8:40 AM EST
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arent we supposed to start withdrawing june 2011??? Sarcasm
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#31 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 9:38 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I bet I could burn a stack of afghan flags witout much trouble.



Be sure to post a YouTube of it with your license plates and home address! Might want to include the street names too!

I say burn them all!

All of them!

Fahrenheit 451 style!
carrite Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 10:52 AM EST
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Symbiosis: fundamentalist wackjob Christian burns Muslim holy book enabling fundamentalist wackjob Muslims to rally against Christians, thereby "validating" fundamentalist wackjob Christian's burning of Muslim holy book and inspiring him to the next round of stupidity.

It's um......... not rational.
carrite Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 10:55 AM EST
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Papachristou wrote:
arent we supposed to start withdrawing june 2011???


That's a laugh. This administration is just now starting a third war.

Dwight Eisenhower was afraid of the emerging "Military Industrial Complex." I've got some bad news for y'all, it runs the show now... Both parties are lackies to their corporate overlords.
Papachristou Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 11:56 AM EST
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ok, post edited for sarcasm!
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:44 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Be sure to post a YouTube of it with your license plates and home address! Might want to include the street names too!

I say burn them all!

All of them!

Fahrenheit 451 style!



My guess is if your burned an American Flag under those circumstances life would get interesting. No thanks.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:45 PM EST
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By the way, I always liked Rush's idea (at least that is where I heard it) of keeping flag burning legal but lowering the penalty for beating the hell out of someone that has burned the flag to $1.
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#37 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:54 PM EST
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Ram has a bat... ram27bat
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 3:56 PM EST
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That is no way to refer to a man's wife.
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:00 PM EST
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Sad
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:07 PM EST
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Old Battle Axe is more appropriate. I learned that one from Fred Flintstone.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:09 PM EST
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ya... Fred was cool... a little before his time I think... Mellow
Papachristou Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
By the way, I always liked Rush's idea (at least that is where I heard it) of keeping flag burning legal but lowering the penalty for beating the hell out of someone that has burned the flag to $1.


now that good sir is progressive thinking! Applause


i cant believe you crazy libs would even remotely consider holding someone responsible for their own actions, that is absurd!
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:34 PM EST
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Papachristou wrote:
now that good sir is progressive thinking! Applause


i cant believe you crazy libs would even remotely consider holding someone responsible for their own actions, that is absurd!


who are you calling a crazy lib?
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:36 PM EST
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LOL LOL LOL
Papachristou Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:41 PM EST
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teadubbya, it was a jest. it seems no one is at fault for anything these days. criminals dont cause crime, its racist cops. burning american flags is OK but burning a koran means you should be sued. getting a fender bender is also just cause to be sued for $1.89 million dollars, etc. and if you dont think we should teach classes in spanish, then you sir are a bigot! Sarcasm
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:57 PM EST
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maybe I'd better rephrase this

who are you calling a lib?


lol

bastid. I guess I need to club another baby seal to reestablish my Conservitive cred.
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 4:59 PM EST
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But I do think classes should be taught in Spanish. The count has been teaching kinds bisexual counting for decades.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 5:06 PM EST
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I heard the Koran is two ply!!
I joke because you can't reason with 7th century fundamentalists....force and strength is all they understand.
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Apr 5 2011, 5:08 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I heard the Koran is two ply!!
I joke because you can't reason with 7th century fundamentalists....force and strength is all they understand.


Thats just it. I never bother to compare us to them. I think you would have to compare us 200 years ago to them now. Even then I'm not to sure about it.

The if they can do it we should be able to also logic doesn't cut it with me. I don't want to be like them.
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#50 Posted: Wed, Apr 6 2011, 11:30 PM EST
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richokeeffe wrote:
I should have perhaps been clearer

I find it outrageous that a group over there is able to use the f-ukkin stoopid actions of an idiot in Florida as justification to kill other people who had nothing to do with the act.


Well, the same kind of people beheaded a journalist without a Koran being burned. So, I'm having a hard time getting all bent out of shape about those people rioting. First of all, the riot at the drop of a hat. Second, they wipe their butts with their hands. What else would you expect?
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