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Bin Laden unarmed?
Papachristou Offline
#1 Posted:
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this could go badly now... WH is flopping saying bid laden was unarmed but resisted so we shot him in the forehead. Plus the story about him using the female human shield who was also killed is obviously BS too since they mention in the article that she was killed on the first floor and bin laden was killed on the third. Now they are saying there were several females, two were wounded and one was killed. They should have kept they mouth shut about all the details IMO. He is a murdering terrorist and is not entitled to the same rights you and I are but flip flopping around putting out bad info is no good for your image.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.dead/index.html?hpt=T1
Gene363 Offline
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I heard this was a 'kill mission' surrender was up to UBL.

This is the war on terror, that 'fight fair' crap is for the schoolyard.
DrafterX Offline
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he was a bad man... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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In related news I heard CROS is unlegged
jackconrad Offline
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I like Bolonga
robertknyc Offline
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Where is the liberal outrage??? Where are their principles?
FuzzNJ Offline
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Oh no, seal team 6 screwed up?

I don't care if he was playing with puppies, shoot the f**ker dead on sight.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
Where is the liberal outrage??? Where are their principles?


Where's your brain?
Papachristou Offline
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oh, let me clarify, i have no problem with putting him on his knees and executing him but why the misinfo?
robertknyc Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Where's your brain?


It's intact. Where are your vaunted, consistent liberal principles? Jackass.
rwilly Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Oh no, seal team 6 screwed up?

I don't care if he was playing with puppies, shoot the f**ker dead on sight.



That's what I like to hear.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
It's intact. Where are your vaunted, consistent liberal principles? Jackass.


Weird that you are so concerned about Osama bin Laden here. Couldn't you find another issue on which to make your stand? Seriously? You are picking Osama bin Laden to pick on my liberal inconsistancies? Could you not find any other before this event? Going with OBL, you're down with OBL. Super. Just super. And your brain is intact? Wow.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Weird that you are so concerned about Osama bin Laden here.


I'm not, I just can't stand liberals who shift their views on principles whenever they feel like it. Total hypocrisy.

What happened to the idiotic policy of trying all these terrorists in Federal court? Idiocy.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Look, he had a kidney dialysis machine and knew how to use it!

Funny...they didn't find one of those in that uber-rich mansion they found him in.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
I'm not, I just can't stand liberals who shift their views on principles whenever they feel like it. Total hypocrisy. Idiocy.


Couldn't you find another issue on which to make your stand? Seriously? You are picking Osama bin Laden to pick on my liberal inconsistancies? Could you not find any other before this event? Going with OBL, you're down with OBL. Super. Just super. And your brain is intact? Wow.

I agree with you and you are mad. I disagree with you and you are mad. lmfao

I told you several times, it's Osama bin Laden, kill the **** when we are trying to 'capture' him. I have no problem with it. But, if we have him in cuffs, under our control and protection, at that point he becomes our responsibility and we must not harm or torture him. Not hypocritical in the least. An Osama running free in the wilderness, it's hunting time.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Look, he had a kidney dialysis machine and knew how to use it!

Funny...they didn't find one of those in that uber-rich mansion they found him in.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that whole kidney disease thing was a myth from the start.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Couldn't you find another issue on which to make your stand? Seriously? Could you not find any other before this event?


Yes, you're right, there are many. But why not point them all out?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that whole kidney disease thing was a myth from the start.



Yeah, and you were right there with your Cindy Sheehan friends telling us all about it!


Hindsight is a real bitch Fuzz.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
Yes, you're right, there are many. But why not point them all out?


Why bring up this one where you take umbrage at my position that I'm happy bin Laden was killed? Find another one and we can talk about it if you'd like. This one seems so wierd, I mean wow. I'm an American and I wanted this a-hole dead for over a decade, and you think you've found some uber liberal inconsistancy on which to make an argument?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, and you were right there with your Cindy Sheehan friends telling us all about it!


Hindsight is a real bitch Fuzz.


WTF? What are you talking about? You're joking right? You've got to be. I almost fell for it.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Why bring up this one where you take umbrage at my position that I'm happy bin Laden was killed? Find another one and we can talk about it if you'd like. This one seems so wierd, I mean wow.


Checkmate.
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robertknyc wrote:
Checkmate.


lmfao. I said essentially the same thing multiple times and NOW you are claiming a victory?

Dude you crack me up. That was pottsian. Applause
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Dude you crack me up. That was pottsian. Applause


JP had a way with words that...well you just can't...well..face it, you SUCK!
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmfao. I said essentially the same thing multiple times and NOW you are claiming a victory?

Dude you crack me up.


Right, your hypocrisy is exposed and you're the one laughing. Makes no sense, but then again that's a liberal for you.
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robertknyc wrote:
Right, your hypocrisy is exposed and you're the one laughing. Makes no sense, but then again that's a liberal for you.


Applause EncoreApplause

I'm an American who supports the military killing bin Laden. I'm also liberal. This upsets Robert. He just can't understand how that is possible. How can a liberal support such a thing? OMG, my world is falling apart. Are there more that think this way? There must be because a 'socialist commie' President ordered the attack. Robert must be thinking, 'could my idea of what a liberal is be wrong?' Oh, the horror, the horror.

Yes, I am laughing, at you, hard.
wheelrite Offline
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yawn....

I'm bored with Bin Laden now...

I think I'll watch some porn
robertknyc Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Applause EncoreApplause

I'm an American who supports the military killing bin Laden. I'm also liberal. This upsets Robert. He just can't understand how that is possible.


Hardly dimwit, I totally understand how it's possible. Liberalism is based mostly on feelings, and so it only makes sense that idiot liberals will throw all principles they usually advocate out the window when it "feels right." I just took this opportunity to illustrate how inconsistent and hypocritical you and your lot are.
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robertknyc wrote:
Hardly dimwit, I totally understand how it's possible. Liberalism is based mostly on feelings, and so it only makes sense that idiot liberals will throw all principles they usually advocate out the window when it "feels right." I just took this opportunity to illustrate how inconsistent and hypocritical you and your lot are.



Applause Applause

Liberals and their feelings. Like when they supported two wars for 'revenge' including invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and decided not to pay for it, even keeping it off the books. Oops, that wasn't the liberals. Real conservative principles there.

Or created an entire color coded terror system and raised it whenever bad news about the administration came out. Oooohh, if scared was just a 'feeling' I might have a counter-argument.

Or how about creating a Medicare prescription drug plan that costs over 1 Trillion dollars right before an election and also not pay for that. If only trying to make the older population happy before the election was a 'feeling'.

Or during the 08 election cycle when Republicns were telling America that Obama was 'destroying Medicare' by taking $500 million out of it for a planned universal health care law. Oh no! Fear! Destroying Medicare! But wouldn't you know a little while later, those same Republicans put out a budget that completely gets rid of Medicare and replaces it with a voucher system. Imagine that!

Oh, I could go on and on and on.

You think you have found an inconsistancy in my logic. I'm as patriotic an American as you and I and millions of other liberals and progressives and socialists are super happy Osama was killed by our well trained military. We LOVE it.

You seem sour and bitter that it happened under Obama. I guess your 'feelings' were hurt. Get over it.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Applause Applause

Liberals and their feelings. Like when they supported two wars for 'revenge' including invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and decided not to pay for it, even keeping it off the books. Oops, that wasn't the liberals. Real conservative principles there.

Or created an entire color coded terror system and raised it whenever bad news about the administration came out. Oooohh, if scared was just a 'feeling' I might have a counter-argument.

Or how about creating a Medicare prescription drug plan that costs over 1 Trillion dollars right before an election and also not pay for that. If only trying to make the older population happy before the election was a 'feeling'.

Or during the 08 election cycle when Republicns were telling America that Obama was 'destroying Medicare' by taking $500 million out of it for a planned universal health care law. Oh no! Fear! Destroying Medicare! But wouldn't you know a little while later, those same Republicans put out a budget that completely gets rid of Medicare and replaces it with a voucher system. Imagine that!

Oh, I could go on and on and on.

You think you have found an inconsistancy in my logic. I'm as patriotic an American as you and I and millions of other liberals and progressives and socialists are super happy Osama was killed by our well trained military. We LOVE it.

You seem sour and bitter that it happened under Obama. I guess your 'feelings' were hurt. Get over it.




No..that touchy feely post of yours is all BS.

I literally stopped at the 1st sentence. After all that...you DARE post? You'll take the credit with this administration for what it and any should've done and now stand there with your flag and wave it after all you and your mindset crowd have done? No. You get nothing. You get relegated to the whimpering BS posters you held up, the protests you held against a sitting President, and the fact that you were prover wrong time and time again for being a tool. A tool the Left like to use. You've been wrung out to dry like a dirty biker bar dish towel...you don't get to claim any part of this whatever victory. You railed against it. You HATED it. Now, you get no celebration party. No "Mission Accomplished" banner.

America sees through the kind of bull**** cheesecloth you breath through.

You get NOTHING!

SUCK IT BIZNITCHES!! History is NOT on your favor!
robertknyc Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:


You seem sour and bitter that it happened under Obama. I guess your 'feelings' were hurt. Get over it.


I'm not going to debate point by point your largely misguided examples above. And you are also misguided in thinking that I am bitter that it happened under Obama, another wrong assumption on your part. I have never said that. I and every conservative I've heard the last two days are happy that it happened and give Obama credit for finally getting something right. You're just plain wrong again, as usual.
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"I hear you!" - G.W. Bush


GAME OVER!
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No..that touchy feely post of yours is all BS.

I literally stopped at the 1st sentence. After all that...you DARE post? You'll take the credit with this administration for what it and any should've done and now stand there with your flag and wave it after all you and your mindset crowd have done? No. You get nothing. You get relegated to the whimpering BS posters you held up, the protests you held against a sitting President, and the fact that you were prover wrong time and time again for being a tool. A tool the Left like to use. You've been wrung out to dry like a dirty biker bar dish towel...you don't get to claim any part of this whatever victory. You railed against it. You HATED it. Now, you get no celebration party. No "Mission Accomplished" banner.

America sees through the kind of bull**** cheesecloth you breath through.

You get NOTHING!

SUCK IT BIZNITCHES!! History is NOT on your favor!


I never held any sign, but I did not and still do not support the invasion of Iraq. That entire war was wrong, wrong-headed and had nothing at all to do with 9/11. Liberals were proven right, not wrong about it. There were no WMD and Iraq posed no threat to us.

Liberals did support going after OBL and those who were behind 9/11 as did the entire country and the rest of the world.

It seems you are confusing these two issues.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
I'm not going to debate point by point your largely misguided examples above. And you are also misguided in thinking that I am bitter that it happened under Obama, another wrong assumption on your part. I have never said that. I and every conservative I've heard the last two days are happy that it happened and give Obama credit for finally getting something right. You're just plain wrong again, as usual.


You accuse me of making my decisions based only on 'feelings' with no other example than one I addressed, I then show where conservatives gave up on their principles based on fear and greed just off the top of my head and you just dismiss them as 'misguided' without so much as a comment as to why.

You're assumptions about me are very wrong as well, but I've also explained how and why, yet you refuse to accept it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I never held any sign, but I did not and still do not support the invasion of Iraq. That entire war was wrong, wrong-headed and had nothing at all to do with 9/11. Liberals were proven right, not wrong about it. There were no WMD and Iraq posed no threat to us.

Liberals did support going after OBL and those who were behind 9/11 as did the entire country and the rest of the world.

It seems you are confusing these two issues.



BS!!!!!!

YOU and rick and every other BS liberal that buys into whatever Algore, Air America, M$PMSBC spewed gets whatever is sprayed like a skunk onto you. You railed about the Patriot Act...you railed about the war...you railed against a sitting president that had it RIGHT!

Now you want credibility.

You GIT $HIT!!!!

You get all that you wallowed about. There's no difference between GW and the Kenyan King! OWN IT!!!!


YOU...Cindy Sheehan..Nancy Pelosi...Feinstein and REID told us we were up against an enemy that beat us.



SUCK IT!!!!!!




FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
BS!!!!!!

YOU and rick and every other BS liberal that buys into whatever Algore, Air America, M$PMSBC spewed gets whatever is sprayed like a skunk onto you. You railed about the Patriot Act...you railed about the war...you railed against a sitting president that had it RIGHT!

Now you want credibility.

You GIT $HIT!!!!

You get all that you wallowed about. There's no difference between GW and the Kenyan King! OWN IT!!!!


YOU...Cindy Sheehan..Nancy Pelosi...Feinstein and REID told us we were up against an enemy that beat us.

SUCK IT!!!!!!




Yes, patriot act too. I am still against that also. Bush taking away Habeous Corpus, bad.

I believe I did say I was against the war in Iraq, and I did 'rail about it', and 'against a sitting president'. I see the latter being done daily here.

Bush did NOT have it right. He invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and diverted resources that should have been used to get the terrorists. 10's of thousands, and probably 100's of thousands of people died. 10's of thousands of our men and women are injured for life, over 4 thousand killed for that diversion. I did not change my mind about any of it, none, zero, zilch. Understand?

There are not enough differences between Obama and Bush for my liking, but there are many.

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SUCK IT FUZZ!!!

DRINK THE GIZZ OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS BAD!!!


ESPECIALLY if you're gonna drink the champaign now!!!!
robertknyc Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You accuse me of making my decisions based only on 'feelings' with no other example than one I addressed, I then show where conservatives gave up on their principles based on fear and greed just off the top of my head and you just dismiss them as 'misguided' without so much as a comment as to why.

You're assumptions about me are very wrong as well, but I've also explained how and why, yet you refuse to accept it.


Liberal policies are based on feelings and intentions, not on outcomes. If you don't see that I'll never be able to convince you. One quick example anyway: during the campaign Obama said he wanted to raise the capital gains tax, even though it would create less revenue (based on historical results) because it was "fair" (i.e. it feels good to stick it to the rich).

I don't have time to debate any and every BS point you have time to post on this forum (you have a lot more free time than I do thanks to your wife), but the examples you cite were largely misguided and weak and hardly convincing.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
SUCK IT FUZZ!!!

DRINK THE GIZZ OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS BAD!!!


ESPECIALLY if you're gonna drink the champaign now!!!!


Dude, I told you what I thought and still think is bad policy and decision making. I told you I stand by it. I also never said that going into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban and Al Qaeda was a bad thing. I supported it, as did almost the entire country. It's when the previous administration started to veer away from those goals that I and others parted ways with the President. It was when the President kept playing the fear card that I objected. It was when the patriot act and our rights were infringed that I said enough. And invading Iraq was immoral and unjust.

And it's whiskey tonight, I had champagne.

EDIT:

I *hate* champagne. Whiskey is working! Woot!
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
Liberal policies are based on feelings and intentions, not on outcomes. If you don't see that I'll never be able to convince you. One quick example anyway: during the campaign Obama said he wanted to raise the capital gains tax, even though it would create less revenue (based on historical results) but because it was the "fair" (i.e. it feels good to stick it to the rich).

I don't have time to debate any and every BS point you have time to post on this forum (you have a lot more free time than I do thanks to your wife), but the examples you cite were largely misguided and weak and hardly convincing.


Um, that's not a 'feeling' Robert. The CBO has studied the capital gains issue and found that the lowering of the capital gains tax will increase the revenue short term, because more people will sell. Raising it will cause people to hold longer hoping it will go down again, but keeping it steady, one would have no choice and longer term the revenue would be larger based on the higher rate.

The fear card is a huge one played by the previous administration and that is based on feelings. To deny it is lying to yourself. I know there are a lot of people in the US who base their emotions of feelings, and wanting a 'savior'.

I posted something funny but negative from the Onion on my Facebook page and got a nasty reply from an old friend that I once dated a couple times. She said that this country needed a savior and Trump looked good so far. Now that's emotion. I'm not looking for a savior, or even a person to be honest. People always let you down. Regardless of what you think, I will and always do stand by my principles and not a person. I do end up defending people because of the outrageous sh&t being said about them most of the time though, but I honestly could care less who does the job as long as it's done the way my moral compass says is just.
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FuzzNJ wrote:



Or created an entire color coded terror system and raised it whenever bad news about the administration came out. Oooohh, if scared was just a 'feeling' I might have a counter-argument.

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hold on, your prez just created a two tier system. Elevated and Imminent. So we are always at elevated threat level. if that isnt rendundant, i dont know what is
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Papachristou wrote:
hold on, your prez just created a two tier system. Elevated and Imminent. So we are always at elevated threat level. if that isnt rendundant, i dont know what is


He's your President too you know and OMG run away!

Have you seen any administration official on tv in two years tell us about a threat? Like watch out for balloons, or model planes, or people near banks, or you know, the stuff Ashcroft was coming out with weekly just to 'keep us on our toes'?

I know I haven't. They have said after OBL was killed that it might be a possibility, but they aren't out to scare people and say that only Democrats can save the world from terrorists, which is what the previous administration was saying, only Republicans.
Papachristou Offline
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it's my thread. You run along.

Please dont ever use "omg" again unless you are a 16 year old girl. Thank you.
FuzzNJ Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
it's my thread. You run along.

Please dont ever use "omg" again unless you are a 16 year old girl. Thank you.


OMG, it was a sarcastic line, OMG.

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FuzzNJ wrote:
He's your President too you know and OMG run away!

Have you seen any administration official on tv in two years tell us about a threat? Like watch out for balloons, or model planes, or people near banks, or you know, the stuff Ashcroft was coming out with weekly just to 'keep us on our toes'?

I know I haven't. They have said after OBL was killed that it might be a possibility, but they aren't out to scare people and say that only Democrats can save the world from terrorists, which is what the previous administration was saying, only Republicans.



Like He's your President too like you know and like OMG run away outrage!



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Le HockeyDad will be in Europe next week. Should be interesting.
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Um, HD? If you reread my post, post 41, in it I did say, "They have said after OBL was killed that it might be a possibility, but they aren't out to scare people".

The 'might be a possibilty' was increased terror, but you can go back and read the entire context.
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HOUSE HUSBAND



OUTRAGE !
robertknyc Offline
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I'm tired of bouncing from tangential issue to tangential issue with FuzzNJ. But, the video link below is exactly what I would expect an intellectually honest liberal to say. It's Alan Dershowtiz saying the US is a bunch of hypocrites for shooting OBL in cold blood. I'm a "do what has to be done guy" which differs from the liberal line of no waterboarding, etc. so I have no problem with what happened. But, so far Dershowitz is the only consistent lefty on this whole thing.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dershowitz-obl-gut-check-the-us-a-bunch-of-hypocrites-we-shot-a-man-in-cold-blood-and-thats-a-good-thing-but-then-are-we-a-better-country/
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A Beck link! FUZZY is gonna have an anurism....
Well.
FOXNews.com - Report: Bin Laden Already Dead - U.S. & World
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Um, HD? If you reread my post, post 41, in it I did say, "They have said after OBL was killed that it might be a possibility, but they aren't out to scare people".

The 'might be a possibilty' was increased terror, but you can go back and read the entire context.




The problem is the whole basis of your argument is they are not out to scare people unlike during the previous administration. That is your standard politically slanted fact creation.

The current administration isn't out to scare people but neither was the previous one. The previous administration wasn't out to scare people. The reality is people were a lot more scared in 2002-03 than they are today. It was the previous administration telling business travelers to get back on planes and resume commerce. It was the business travelers that did just that and said "F&%k Al Quiada".

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