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I'm tired of the race card
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My lil bro (who is white) does this. I dont care if you are white black or blue. this is an ugly habit.




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http://www.thegrio.com/opinion/is-floridas-droopy-drawers-law-another-form-of-racial-profiling.php?page=2


Is Florida's 'droopy drawers' law a form of racial profiling?
By David A. Love

8:42 AM on 05/10/2011
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Eric Adams, a New York State Senator, initiated a campaign with billboards reading "Raise your pants, raise your image!" The former police captain believes that young people will benefit from the style change. "You can raise your level of respect if you raise your pants," said Adams. "When you raise your pants, you raise your character. When you raise your pants, you raise your grades, self-esteem and how you feel about yourself," he added.

Similarly, the city of Dallas started a "Pull Your Pants Up" campaign in 2007. And when he ran for president, then-Senator Obama called saggy pants crackdowns a "waste of time," while also suggesting that "brothers should pull up their pants." "Some people might not want to see your underwear. I'm one of them," Obama told MTV.

But do we really need a law for this?

"Those that participate in these ridiculous and counterproductive culture wars are always out of touch with what's cool and current," said Giovanni "G. la Belles-Lettre" Turner, Soul Model Recording artist and University of Miami professor. Turner, who is also a Miami resident, views the Florida legislation as both an attack on hip-hop and a distraction.

"The authors of this bill clearly have not seen a hip-hop or neosoul music video or visited a Miami, Tampa, or Orlando high school in at least decade. If they did, they would know sagging pants fell out of fashion a long time ago," he added. "So while this is an obvious assault on hip-hop culture and African-American culture, and I am offended, it is, nevertheless, a moot point. I am more offended that they are wasting our time and tax dollars debating such foolishness instead of figuring out a way to accept billions of dollars in federal stimulus for a high speed rail."

Civil liberties groups say the Florida-style laws are a First Amendment issue. The government should not serve as the fashion police, they say, and that makes a whole lot of sense. People, including young people, should be allowed to make their own decisions, and maintain their own sense of identity and self-expression. And we should err on the side of freedom and creativity and against the edicts of an arbitrary, reactionary and heavy-handed government anytime. Plus, where do we draw the line? What about that proverbial slippery slope? If a state or a city can criminalize low-hanging jeans, what is next, a ban on religious or cultural garb? Or African braids? What about coiffing while black?

Just to get to the heart of the matter, some black folks say that such laws amount to racial profiling, pure and simple. These laws, they suggest, are really a proxy for racial bias. Organizations such as the NAACP claim the bill is an example of the school-to-prison pipeline, and would increase dropout rates for black males.

To be sure, black and Latino youth are an easy target, as they are already the prime targets of America's criminal justice system. More of them are in prison today than were in chains back in the days of slavery. Often shunned by society, scapegoated, and neglected, they are the fodder, the raw materials, if you will, for a prison-industrial-complex. Young men of color are associated with the practice of wearing saggy pants, and so this law is for them.

It smacks of the days of Jim Crow, when African-Americans were singled out for their so-celled "lawless behavior." The Black Codes were enacted in the South to control the freed blacks through an unjust legal system, with crimes specifically invented for blacks, such as "vagrancy," "mischief," "insulting gestures," "cruel treatment to animals," and the "vending of spiritous or intoxicating liquors." Criminalizing blacks for these phony crimes and compelling them do hard time, the Jim Crow laws stripped them of their voting rights, on purpose, in order to stop black political power dead in its tracks.

Not surprisingly, the anti-sagging laws come at a time when young people -- particularly poor children and children of color -- are increasingly criminalized. School is not a welcoming or nurturing place for many young people. And at its worst, with guards, bars and metal detectors, school can resemble a prison. Zero tolerance policies punish children for the mildest of infractions. And while there are no jobs for them, there is plenty of room in the penitentiary.

Meanwhile, although Gov. Scott hasn't signed the bill into law, there is an indication of where he may be headed. In March, he reinstated a Reconstruction-era law that restricts the voting rights of ex-felons. That law was originally designed to disenfranchise black voters. The state's prison population is disproportionately black -- blacks are 15 percent of Florida's population but half of all prisoners -- in a state with an incarceration rate 25 percent higher than the national average. As of 2006, 13 percent of black Floridians were stripped of their voting rights. This, as Florida lawmakers, who have received generous contributions from prison contractors, are ready to hand over as many as 14 state prisons to private enterprise.

This is all about so much more than droopy drawers.






teedubbya Offline
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I didn't read it but wanted to be the first to call you a racist.
Papachristou Offline
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aww, thanks! you wouldnt be the first. so funny, at one of our stores this morning, this guy was speeding past stopped traffic in the emergency lane with his pregnant girlfriend and two kids (not in seats or buckled) he hit a person pulling into our store. he was lying through his teeth to the cops by saying he was in a lane (i guess he was, his own!) anyway, i pulled it up on video for the police and guess what he called me?
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damn racismers.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
aww, thanks! you wouldnt be the first. so funny, at one of our stores this morning, this guy was speeding past stopped traffic in the emergency lane with his pregnant girlfriend and two kids (not in seats or buckled) he hit a person pulling into our store. he was lying through his teeth to the cops by saying he was in a lane (i guess he was, his own!) anyway, i pulled it up on video for the police and guess what he called me?


If it was anything other than a f a g he was a liar.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard Wheel does a mean "Pants on da Ground"..... Mellow
Stinkdyr Offline
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Somali pirates are merely collecting their reparations.

to stop them would be racist.

Herfing

FuzzNJ Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
My lil bro (who is white) does this. I dont care if you are white black or blue. this is an ugly habit.



Yeah we all know. You bring it up a lot, almost just as much as everyone else brings up the race card. Seems you like to look for reasons to be offended by it. What does that say about you?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Uno!!!!Beer
rfenst Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
aww, thanks! you wouldnt be the first. so funny, at one of our stores this morning, this guy was speeding past stopped traffic in the emergency lane with his pregnant girlfriend and two kids (not in seats or buckled) he hit a person pulling into our store. he was lying through his teeth to the cops by saying he was in a lane (i guess he was, his own!) anyway, i pulled it up on video for the police and guess what he called me?


Idiot. He could at least come up with a better lie: "My girlfriend is having contractions and i am trying to get her to _____ before she has the baby right here in my car!"
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How about not lying at all and just take responsibility for his own actions?????
DrafterX Offline
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elk hunter wrote:
How about not lying at all and just take responsibility for his own actions?????




they would revoke his race card... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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Here is the real scoop in Florida:

The bill was been introduced by African-American, Florida State Senator Gary Siplin (D-Orlando), whose district is about 5-6 miles from my home. This is at least his second try (and probably his 500th). The guy is an idiot. Not because of this, but because he just is. So too are is the Republican super-majorities in both Houses. And, is our new Governor.

I understand that the pants thing is both cultural and a form of "speech". However, it is indeed inappropriate by a majority of society. But, wasting the time and money on a bill, when so many other very important pieces of legislation were missed due to time constraints.

The beauty of it all is that it has kept him from introducing other hair-brained ideas. And for that, I am most grateful!

teedubbya Offline
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someone should give him a snuggie
rfenst Offline
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Someone should have convicted him for renting his local legislative office from his wife...
teedubbya Offline
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In KC we just elected a new Mayor. The old one didn't even make the balot (we have an election to select top three then they run for real...crazy). Anyway the old mayor looked and talked like Lurch and was about 10 feet tall. But I digress.

The old Mayor brought his wife into work every day and she was at his side all day. Sort of a co-mayor. Until she got in trouble (something about calling a Black woman Mammy... which she claimed she calls everyone that). The council insisted she not come in to work with him and he refused. The passed some stupid rule saying she couldn't come in so he decided to Mayor mostly from his house. Weird.

His election music was cool .... we got the funk, gotta have that funk (his name was funkhouser).
DrafterX Offline
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teedubbya wrote:

His election music was cool .... we got the funk, gotta have that funk (his name was funkhouser).



I think Wheel sings that too... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think Wheel sings that too... Mellow


Wheel's theme song was some Randy Newman song.... can't recall the name I just remember the beep beep beep part.
DrafterX Offline
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Road Runner..??
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teedubbya wrote:
Wheel's theme song was some Randy Newman song.... can't recall the name I just remember the beep beep beep part.

I Love LA?
teedubbya Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I Love LA?


San Diego is better
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Saggy pants are no worse than cut off jeans shorts in the 70's, tight ankle rolled jeans in the 80's, or any other generations clothing shennanigans.
teedubbya Offline
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But drinking key lime water in walmart is symbolic of all that is wrong in America?
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teedubbya wrote:
But drinking key lime water in walmart is symbolic of all that is wrong in America?



You know GOD DAMN well the answer to that question is a resounding YES!!!!!

DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
San Diego is better



That's German for whale's vagina.Frying pan
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That's German for whale's vagina.Frying pan



Ohhh I thought the german word for whale's vagina was jpotts
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Ohhh I thought the german word for whale's vagina was jpotts



Nope...ding dong...you're wrong!whip
Papachristou Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah we all know. You bring it up a lot, almost just as much as everyone else brings up the race card. Seems you like to look for reasons to be offended by it. What does that say about you?



because i hear/see it everyday in memphis. believe me. you would feel the same way had you worked on the front lines here for the last few years. what do you say to someone who calls your black employee racist? Brick wall


rfenst wrote:
Someone should have convicted him for renting his local legislative office from his wife...


wow, it never ends it seems. of course nothing will happen
teedubbya Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
what do you say to someone who calls your black employee racist?


what's your problem whitey?
Papachristou Offline
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how about when its a black person calling your black employee racist? horse


RFEST, thanks for the solid info!
teedubbya Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
how about when its a black person calling your black employee racist? horse


RFEST, thanks for the solid info!


I'd still call them whitey
Papachristou Offline
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i just used to stand there with a look of utter confusion on my face.
teedubbya Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
i just used to stand there with a look of utter confusion on my face.



Call them whitey and explain that they are not all that black. They have no cred in their own community and look like they have been dipping into the orange spray tan.

see how that goes for you. Then refuse to rent them a car.

Oh yea and while you are doing it make sure to move your head back and forth (at the neck) and wag your finger at him while keeping the rest of your body perfectly still. They like and respect that.
Papachristou Offline
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mmmmhuh, thats good advise! luckily, i dont rent cars anymore but ill be sure to pass that info on!
teedubbya Offline
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Self Edit
FuzzNJ Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
i just used to stand there with a look of utter confusion on my face.


I don't find that the least bit surprising.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I don't find that the least bit surprising.



Of course you don't!

You'd make a wonderful pair!


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teedubbya Offline
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My two favorite diseases in the same room. Yellow Jaundice and the Black Plague.
Papachristou Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I don't find that the least bit surprising.


alright then, im curious, how would you respond if a black customer requested the manager and told you they felt your black employee was treating them unfairly because they (the customer) is black?
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Papachristou wrote:
alright then, im curious, how would you respond if a black customer requested the manager and told you they felt your black employee was treating them unfairly because they (the customer) is black?


I've dealt with issues like this dozens of times when I worked in the financial industry, mostly when going through the management training program in my early 20's, both with employees and customers. Every situation is different of course, but you always maintain control, use logic and reasoning, make sure the customer is reassured and satisfied and discuss any issues and how to deal with the situation better with the employee(s) afterward.

Not a workplace example, but there's this kid in the neighborhood that comes by occasionally when I'm outside in my garden or doing other things. He's around my oldest daughter's age. Raised by a single mom, african american, and the kid is huge, should be a football player. Anyway, he would help me in the garden picking weeds or whatever and we'd talk about school, my kids would be there too. He'd always complain that the teachers were after him, the system was against him, the world hated him, sh*t like that. Probably got that from his mom, who is bitter and lonely.

We'd talk often and the talks encouraged him. He started to do better in school, not blaming other people, etc. even though he has a learning disability. He even got a job at a local hair salon and his self worth is improving. He just needed an adult male, I think, to just encourage him, and I am glad I was there for him. Here's a kid who was pulling the race card at like 9, now he's a teenager and doing much better.

I think the major thing is try, at least attempt to, put yourself in the other person's shoes, or see the situation from their vantage point, and understand it. You may not agree with it, but at least try to understand where they are coming from. It's a way of showing respect. After that a person is more willing to hear your perspective and reasonable accommodations can be agreed to and next time there would probably be less of a chance of offense.

just my humble opinion.
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Papachristou wrote:
alright then, im curious, how would you respond if a black customer requested the manager and told you they felt your black employee was treating them unfairly because they (the customer) is black?



Been there: Black client had come in to discuss his case. He told me that he had not returned to work yet as an auto mechanic. I was quite surprised given the length of time since he had been injured and the nature of his injury. So, I asked him: 1) why he was wearing a cover all with his name on it? and 2) why his hands and fingernails looked like he had just come from a shop or had just been working on a vehicle?

He complained that I was racist. I called the firm administrator and walked out. She handled it from there. The client was transferred to another lawyer in the firm. He read my note and fired the client immediately (like I would have had he not just "come clean" with me.)

The firm's administrator backed me 100% and told him I was the best lawyer for his type of case. She completely kept me out of it and then told me how she had handled it. She handled it perfectly, IMO.
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My grandma used to call me a porch monkey all the time when I was a kid
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I've dealt with issues like this dozens of times when I worked in the financial industry, mostly when going through the management training program in my early 20's, both with employees and customers. Every situation is different of course, but you always maintain control, use logic and reasoning, make sure the customer is reassured and satisfied and discuss any issues and how to deal with the situation better with the employee(s) afterward.


ah, i love textbook answers. come to the real world and work housband. logic and reasoning with people who cant read? good luck. i dont know where you live but its a different world in memphis. of course, i tried a lot of the same things you mentioned but at the end of the day, you cant reason with stupidity and entitlement. you have a person calling you racist for things like giving them a dirty car, you look at it and its a 2011 with 115 miles on it. uh what? you are driving a car with 3 different colors of paint, food and trash in the floor and you have no insurance. you were forunate enought to get hit by someone with insurance. then they complain that the car has water spots on it. im telling you fuzzy, its tough here.

thats good you mentored a young man. kids of all ages/races from single family homes could really use a mentor. it can keep boys out of trouble and women from putting themselves in trouble. I came from a single parent home and was very forunate to have a teacher look after me and mentor me as well. I dont think it should be tied to race though.


fuzzy, i cant figure out why you are so against this issue. all i want to see is society and America move forward. we cannot do that when one segment refuses to use our language and wants illegals to stay here and continue to burden us or another segment constantly abuses the race card and blames everyone else for their own problems, laziness and or ignorance. race was an issue 50 years ago. it is all but gone in society now. (especially with people my age) we make business based decisions.
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I raced a black guy once.... he spun the wheels on his GTO and I was able to get a nice lead.... he caught me tho.... Mellow
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