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3 Myths About the Oil and Gas Industry
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3 Myths About the Oil and Gas Industry
By Bob Beauprez

Published May 12, 2011

As voters around the country wince at rising gas prices, panicked Democrats, in a rush to cover the failure of their all-or-nothing bet on the alternative energy industry have started singing a familiar tune – blame the oil and gas industry. Instead of facing the reality of his owned failed policies, President Obama is calling for an end to the "tax giveaways" he claims amount to $4 billion in “subsidies” to the energy industry.

This tactic isn’t surprising given the effect that rising gas prices have on the president’s approval ratings and his obsession with re-election. But, less-than-truthful innuendos and political spin hardly helps America's working families who are getting hammered at the pump.

If our leaders are going to have an honest discussion about energy, it's important to clear up a few rumors, misconceptions and outright falsehoods being perpetrated about the oil and gas industry. Let's begin with three of the more common ones:

1. The industry doesn’t receive any taxpayer funded subsides. None.
2. Rampant speculation and Wall Street tricks aren’t driving up gas prices.
3. The oil and gas industry is not dodging the taxes they owe and withholding “their fair share.”

I'll say it again; contrary to popular opinion and the president's spin, the oil and gas industries do not receive any taxpayer funded subsidies. The tax code does allow them to claim certain tax credits and deductions to encourage continued investment in an industry that is heavily front-end loaded with capital expense.

These are the same kind of incentives available to Coca-Cola, General Electric, Ford, and Microsoft and other companies doing business in the U.S. Or, for that matter, like the deduction for mortgage interest payments enjoyed by homeowners. But, importantly these are tax credits, and markedly different from direct taxpayer cash subsidies like the 45 cent per gallon payment blenders get to put ethanol in fuel mixes.

When businesses invest in America, we all benefit. The oil and gas industry plows about $300 billion into domestic projects per year – that's 75 times more than Obama's phantom "taxpayer giveaways" amount -- and employees over 9 million people. Those are real numbers; not Washington spin, and if government would allow and encourage even more domestic production there would be more jobs and more investment – and more total taxes paid, too.

Another argument that often circulates when gas prices go up is that a phantom class of “Wall Street speculators” is to blame for the increase of prices. In 2008 this school of thought was so persuasive that President Bush commissioned an exhaustive review, via the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, looking into the effect that speculators had on market prices. Their conclusion was surprising, according to The Wall Street Journal, “The agency concluded that speculators—otherwise known as traders—were putting downward pressure on prices. The liquidity they provide helps to smooth volatility.”

Not satisfied with the 2008 study, President Obama recently resurrected this school of thought, even tapping Attorney General Eric Holder to police perceived illegal activity and price gouging. Yet within the presidents’ own administration, the Federal Trade Commission found that the recent spike in oil prices is due primarily to normal market forces, including booming demand from developing economies in India and China and not because of any questionable behavior from Wall Street.

The third popular attack is that somehow oil and gas industry isn’t paying its fair share in taxes. Democratic Party mythology aside, the oil and gas industry pays a much heftier percentage of net income in taxes (41.1%) than the average of all other S&P Industrials (26.5%). Every single day, the industry is sending more than $85 million to the U.S. Treasury for taxes and royalty payments.

Yes, the energy companies are profitable, but their profit margins are right in line with manufacturing, aerospace, and the food industries, while computer, pharmaceutical, and the beverage companies have triple the net income margins of traditional energy.

I don't like subsidies and I don't like Congress or the IRS deciding what is good economic behavior and what is bad. But, I do understand that you get more of what gets incentivized, and less of what is penalized. And, there is a huge difference in "redistributing the wealth" through direct subsidy payments, and a tax credit that encourages investment in much needed production that creates jobs and taxable income.

If congress is serious about creating jobs and jump starting the economy, they should lower the corporate tax rate, which is the highest among the 34 OECD nations, rather than increase the tax burden on energy or any industry.

Capital is fungible, and energy production is the prototypical global industry. Plenty of nations around the world are providing a far more welcoming business environment for energy production than the U.S. already with a less onerous tax code and far less regulatory burden.

If increasing our domestic supply is really a national objective, then this might not be the best time to send exactly the opposite message to the people that provide the capital to drill the wells.

Film at 11.... Think Think Think
wheelrite Offline
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another tidbit,,,

95% of all the oil in the world is owned by Gov'ts,The big oil companies control only 5%.Therefore they can't control the price.
The Fed's montary policy is largely responsible for high oil and gasoline.


wheel,
teedubbya Offline
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Reminds me of when I worked for a Managed Care Organizaiton and we reduced the length of stay for preggo women from 2 days for vaginal delivery to 1 and from 3 day csection delivery to 2. My job was to continually remind the OBGYNs that if they did not move the chicks out of the hospital on time any addtional hospital expenses would come out of the doctors $$.

The press beat us up pretty bad on the 24 hour stay and my boss kept going on the air saying there was no 24 hour stay and insurance companies can't discharge patients only Doctors can. She was right. It wasn't 24 hours it was 1 day. And we never discharged anyone, we just didn't pay.


DrafterX Offline
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nobody ever complains about the price of a bottle of coke or upgrading their Windows... Mellow
wheelrite Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Reminds me of when I worked for a Managed Care Organizaiton and we reduced the length of stay for preggo women from 2 days for vaginal delivery to 1 and from 3 day csection delivery to 2. My job was to continually remind the OBGYNs that if they did not move the chicks out of the hospital on time any addtional hospital expenses would come out of the doctors $$.

The press beat us up pretty bad on the 24 hour stay and my boss kept going on the air saying there was no 24 hour stay and insurance companies can't discharge patients only Doctors can. She was right. It wasn't 24 hours it was 1 day. And we never discharged anyone, we just didn't pay.




he said Vaginal....Beer
teedubbya Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
he said Vaginal....Beer



I was one of the few men in our division and got assigned the OBGYN accounts. weird. I do thinnk some preggo chicks are hot though.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
another tidbit,,,

95% of all the oil in the world is owned by Gov'ts,The big oil companies control only 5%.Therefore they can't control the price.
The Fed's montary policy is largely responsible for high oil and gasoline.


wheel,



That's partly right.

The other part is that other nations have to purchase US dollars to obtain. It's our fault that oil is rising because we're devaluing our currency.

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/News/2011/5/Pages/Steve-Forbes-Predicts-Gold-Standard-within-5-Years-.aspx

Put the Us dollar back on the Gold Standard and end the Federal Reserve's charter. It's coming up for renewal. That single agency has ruined more wealth and stolen more money than you could possibly imagine.

It is time for the insanity to end.
gimbel Offline
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I'll say it then. I want to be able to purchase a 20oz bottle of Coke for less than what a 2 liter bottle costs. And I want change back from my $1 for it.
Gene363 Offline
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When the dollar isn't worth crap, gasoline costs more.

Keep borrowing money to throe it away and the value of the dollar goes down.
Papachristou Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:

Put the Us dollar back on the Gold Standard and end the Federal Reserve's charter. It's coming up for renewal. That single agency has ruined more wealth and stolen more money than you could possibly imagine.

It is time for the insanity to end.



Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

the fed has loaned or given away more money than all the bailouts combined. they even loan money to certain politicians wives for near zero % then borrowed it back from them. Think
DrafterX Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
they even loan money to certain politicians wives for near zero % then borrowed it back from them. Think




Outrageous!! Mad
dubleuhb Offline
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One more thing, the government, states and federal make more from a gallon of gas than the petro companies, distributers or retailers and they don't lift a finger to do it. But then I'm just horse
DrafterX Offline
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true... another example of outragous taxes is on ciggarettes... explain how a carton or Marlboro Lights is 17 bucks on St Maartens but 57 bucks here..?? ram27bat
HockeyDad Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
explain how a carton or Marlboro Lights is 17 bucks on St Maartens but 57 bucks here..?? ram27bat



BECAUSE IT CAN!!!!!!!
teedubbya Offline
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Yes we can!
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Think Think
maybe they were fakes.....
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