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Not granted by any government? Like what exactly? We in the US believe that the the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights are ours, yet they could and have been taken away, or never given at all, by governments all the time throughout history.

So please explain.

Um,,,

Rights are endowed by the creator,inalienable and stuff.
Not bestowed by a man/gov't
A right cannot be taken away.A dictaor may impede such right but the right is still there.

But healthcare paid for by your neighbors is NOT a right...

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? That's all? And define happiness.

According to the Consitution, we also have the right of Habeas Corpus, the right to elect representatives, the Bill of Rights gave us the first 10 amendments and influenced most of the rest. All of these are given by the government, and can be taken away, and in the case of Habeas Corpus have been.

I know it's kinda neat to say the 'creator' gave those rights to us, but if he's 'forever' it sure took a long time to get those damn 'rights' now didn't it?

It was called the "Age of enlightenment"

get it ?

That would help......

Catastrophic insurance and direct payment to physicians would be great.

Too many over utilize and too many are taken advantage of by insurance. Eliminate the middle man.

Or at least have the patient pay then submit claim to insurance the way it was meant to be.

Don't F with the Jesus.....

I'm sue he can handle himself. He doesn't need your help.

Close but no.

Govt F's just about everything up and this much money in there hands is no bueno.

Leave the money with the people. If any govt. involvement I say tax deferred HSA's to make it even cheaper for the people. When folks have to see the cost they will actually be concerned about cost. When Dr's don't have to hasle with insurance companies prices will drop.

I know freedom is scary.

Private police forces, cool or no? Would get to see how much the local guys in blue cost ya too.

/finger? ???

Is that a fraction?
A middle finger insult?


The government is a middleman Fuzzy. And the worst one. I deal with medicare and medicaid. I can tell you medicare has alot of issues, and mediaid is a gigantic cluster ****.

Seriously we have medicaid prior-auth in writing then refuse reimbursement. And medicaid people ant be held liable for ANY $. Lots of medical businesses are refusing assignment from both for a reason.

If you deal with medicare and medicaid, you must deal with insurance companies. Don't know what you do, but that must be the case, right? You are saying that insurance companies pay better and more promptly? Less problems, all that stuff?

Never said that you where ridiculing MY beliefs, now did I? Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

you nailed is ZRX, think of the last time you even heard of anyone asking how much something costs at the Drs office? I asked about the cost of a sinus shot and the nurse gave me a crazy look and said "what does it matter, you arent paying for it!?!?!"

We dont pay the cost direct so we let them bill whatever. Think of how many people get the $5k for the car repair after a wreck then shop around to find the cheapest repair price or a shop that will waive their deductible. We do that so we can save money/make some money. We should care about the cost of healthcare in the same way.

Numbers don't lie.
But statistics do.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA547ComparativeHealth.html

In brief: infant mortality and life expectancy are terrible measures of how effective health care (private or publically funded) is.

One example (the link provides more):
Japanese Americans have a similar life expectancy as native Japanese.

Please don't use false logic to make your point, and then contend that numbers don't lie. You either fell for the liberal blather regarding life expectancy and infant mortality, or you outright lied.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe the former.

First, you idiotic doorknob, YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO HABEAS CORPUS. You are an outright LIAR to say we don't have that right.

That's right: a liar.

Right now, across the country, many Habeas Corpus petitions are being filed within the borders of the United States.

So again: you are a liar. You knowingly repeat something that is an outright lie.

Second, all of your rights are inalienable, meaning that you have them by virtue of your existence. They are given to you by a Creator. The wording in the Declaration of Independance is pretty frickin' clear on this subject. Maybe you should read it sometime?

You don't need anyone else to express your opinion, pursue happiness, or live your life. Period. That's what basically defines a right: something you have by virtue of your existence on this planet.

Health care, on the other hand, has to be provided to you by someone else. To claim that service is a right means that someone MUST provide that service whether they want to or not. That is, in essence, forced servitude.

No one is stopping you from stitching up your own arm, setting your own bones, or even cutting out tumors from your body. If someone else has to do it, however, they have the right to be compensated for their time and labors. Because they have a right to be compensated for their work (I know, that whole "work" thing is alien to you).

Then again, it is no surprise that you believe this nonsense, seeing that you're a lazy, two-bit loser who thinks that life should be handed to him on a silver platter. For the sake of everyone here, Fuzz, please grow up and become an adult. Your childish thinking and manner is a danger to everyone who holds their freedom sacred.
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It is morons like yourself that spread misery to everyone.

I agree with Nancy ^

It was a great time just a little too short.

It's very misleading.
You have to factor in my dickydo.





















(my belly sticks out further than my dicky do)

Hung like a lightswitch?

I hear it's why potts is so cranky.

It doesn't matter. I just found out the Rapture is May 21.

This sucks. I've got way too many cigars still and a lot of home brew. One batch is even still carbonating.

I think you were suppose to make reservations and stuff...

I might hang out for awhile... do some looting and stuff.... I'll catch the next ship..