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lou2row Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 1:45 PM EST
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Talked with Thunder gerbil the other night and discussed this. I'm going to line up three drinks and taste them throughout a cigar review. Want to see how different beverages affect flavors and taste.

Wanted to see if anyone had played with this before. Or what drinks may match to a cigar as well as to each other. We decided to steer clear from milk based drinks, and I do not get the flavors as much with water so it is out.

Also, I am going to try this with the Joya de Nicaragua lancero that was sent out by TG and JD. If any of the others of you who received these in a hit would care to try this, we may be able to cover a few extra beverages and compare notes.

Right now, I am thinking a beer, bourbon, and scotch or rum. Other thoughts were:

tawny port
pinot noir
pinot grigio
gin
vodka martini
lager vs. stout vs. IPA
cola
dr. pepper (best pop for defining cigar flavors, IMO)
7 up
juice (cranberry or apple, not orange)
rum vs. dark rum vs. spiced rum


Any interested or ideas?
Papachristou Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 1:48 PM EST
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where is xavier?
Nicar Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 1:50 PM EST
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I could try with some Port...have to get me some more. Or some wine... might start with water. Lately I been drinking more water and some cigars been tasting different... a bit better. Or leaves a taste for about 5 mins after I am done smoking that has subtle hints still lurking on my palette
xavier883 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:14 PM EST
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For me it's about what you want to try and "bring out" in the smoke.

Youngs double choc stout and sam smith oatmeal stout bring out some of the dark but sweet flavors

Magic hat #9 has a very disticnt twang about it and when paired with a stick helps point out some contrast, I find that the #9 has a mild fruity finish and love it with the medium body smokes.

for subtle notes or earthy tones I love the scotch! Pick up some Oban Peat for a heavy earth tone.

My go to though is probably Guiness.mmmmmmmmBeer
nnightmar Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:24 PM EST
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Wlcm drnkng cgrs rvwd by shtfcd bstrd... lmao!
lou2row Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:49 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
I could try with some Port...have to get me some more. Or some wine... might start with water. Lately I been drinking more water and some cigars been tasting different... a bit better. Or leaves a taste for about 5 mins after I am done smoking that has subtle hints still lurking on my palette



Nicar, port, wine, and water would be a good lineup. None will clash or overpower, but should be able to find some changes in the cigar. Tasting the first third when the cigar is more straight forward with the drinks and then seeing how they go once you get farther and the cigar gets fuller and richer from the build up of tars is what I am curious about.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:51 PM EST
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Red wine is the only way I go with cigars but I'm no wine expert....

Cola, rootbeer or dr. Pepper

Gin though one of my favorite drinks only pairs with sticks well when made as a g&t with lime to me. Vodka or gin martinis just don't do anything to enhance the experience for me.....the g&t does give me a sort of clean fresh effect to my palette.

Beers now im all over the board. Any good beer adds something unique to any stick to me. But my favorite is probably stout or porter with a solid maduro. I do however tend to avoid overly hoppy brews for pairings.

Scotch and sour mash are my favorite hard liquor pairing. Nadura and Ezra Brooks are my favorites. These go with any wrapper strength taste pairing for me.

Water has been gaining more visits with me on the front porch lately though.

My. 02
Nicar Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:55 PM EST
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Rootbeer brings out decent flavors... kind of like coffee..
honda250r Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 2:57 PM EST
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B&B after dinner with a JDN or LP is always satisfying. IMO inhances the Cedar Taste.
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 3:00 PM EST
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Oh forgot coffee!
black pressed or vanilla mocha with 4 shots (only dairy id do with cigars)

Also double burgemont tea (with or without sour mash).
kmc06005 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, May 19 2011, 3:26 PM EST
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SWEET TEA! But only if your from the south and it is made right.

2nd the Rum

Good Stout or Pale ale
shump Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 4:43 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Rootbeer brings out decent flavors... kind of like coffee..


I definitely go with root beer if alcohol isn't involved. Never tried Dr. P, have to give that a try.

I have been drinking Magic Hat #9 for over a decade and love it! That fruity flavor is apricot.

Shump
grmcooper Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 5:11 PM EST
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Malt liquor pairs well too.
Whistlebritches Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 5:40 PM EST
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grmcooper wrote:
Malt liquor pairs well too.



Yes but only if you're smoking Phillies Blunts......numbnuts.


Ron
BDS12 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 8:01 PM EST
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Good Post! Been trying to figure out the same thing

I know 1 thing, that tequila doesnt go well with an LFD Airbender
deadeyedick Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 8:01 PM EST
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Tried a bloody mary with a cigar one morning ..... DID NOT WORK!

Some favorites:
Moosedrool
Aussie Shiraz
Gewürztraminer actually pair well with some spicy sticks
Port

DED
BDS12 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, May 20 2011, 10:19 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Tried a bloody mary with a cigar one morning ..... DID NOT WORK!

Some favorites:
Moosedrool
Aussie Shiraz
Gewürztraminer actually pair well with some spicy sticks
Port

DED


Thought I knew my alcohol, but Mousedrool, Gewhatever doesnt seem like anything I'd want to drink while i smoke
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#18 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 10:10 AM EST
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Moosedrool brewed in Missoula Montana. Very dark creamy stout. Just One of the reasons to live here. Breweries that will knock your socks off and lots of them. Scotch Ale and IPA are off the charts.
deadeyedick Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 11:19 AM EST
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BDS12 wrote:
Thought I knew my alcohol, but Mousedrool, Gewhatever doesnt seem like anything I'd want to drink while i smoke


Expand your horizons. Beer

DED
BDS12 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 1:39 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Expand your horizons. Beer

DED


So what is Moosedrool...Microbrew??
BDS12 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 1:42 PM EST
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honda250r wrote:
Moosedrool brewed in Missoula Montana. Very dark creamy stout. Just One of the reasons to live here. Breweries that will knock your socks off and lots of them. Scotch Ale and IPA are off the charts.


Didnt see you'd already answered my question. I take it back that definately does sound like sumtin I'd drink while smokin
Dubbin Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 3:21 PM EST
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Has anybody tried a Barleywine with a medium/full smoke?

Seems to work out well and balance the flavors.

I do like some Scotch Ales though.
bdrizzle Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 5:06 PM EST
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I like crown and blue monster. Really coats the palate before I burn my Mark Twizzle.
Whistlebritches Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 5:59 PM EST
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BDS12 wrote:
So what is Moosedrool...Microbrew??



Actually Moosedrool is a brown ale.......not a stout as mentioned above.I love this brew.....few brown ales are made in the US anymore,don't know why.But Moosedrool will stand toe to toe with all the imports I've tried and IMHO come out on top every time.I drink it regularly in North Dakota,Wyoming and here in Texas when I can find it..Best pairing I've had with Moosedrool is a DPG Blue Exqisito.It was almost like they were made for each other........one complimenting the other so naturally.

Like DED said.....expand your horizons.


Ron
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#25 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 6:08 PM EST
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Oops yes it is a brown ale black as night. Big Sky Brewery Missoula MT. Madison River Brewery Belgrade Mt is the best in MT IMO. 12 pack samplers from both Breweries were shipped out today. That is if I had your ADDY. Those of you who know I do Enjoy.
Whistlebritches Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 6:20 PM EST
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Dubbin wrote:
Has anybody tried a Barleywine with a medium/full smoke?

Seems to work out well and balance the flavors.

I do like some Scotch Ales though.



Yes but only the English variety's.I wouldn't call most American attempts barleywine at all.You said you like Scotch ales so I assume you like malts over hops ....or at least a well balanced brew.In other words no nasty azz IPA's.That being said English barleywines are very complex and potent.Only a full flavored cigar is going to stand up to it.The last barleywine pairing I had was J W Lees Vintage(can't recall year) and a LFD 300 Cabinet Oscuro......Paired fairly well but the barleywine really tried to overpower the cigar.Next time I may go with an LFD DL or a LGD Americano.


Ron
Whistlebritches Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 6:29 PM EST
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I also love Old Rasputin Imperial Stout,thanks to Lou2row.This brew can blow away less than full flavored smokes.Most maduro's and oscuro's seem to pair up fairly nicely due to the coffee and chocolate flavors this stout throws off.One of my best pairings with this stout was a Boli Coronas Extra one evening.Gots to do that one again.......I just haven't had an Old Rasputin for a while.Should've picked some up today in Abilene...I just forgot.


Ron
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#28 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 8:20 PM EST
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I have yet to discover any cigar that does not compliment espresso or a good strong cuppa Joe
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#29 Posted: Sat, May 21 2011, 11:02 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Actually Moosedrool is a brown ale.......not a stout as mentioned above.I love this brew.....few brown ales are made in the US anymore,don't know why.But Moosedrool will stand toe to toe with all the imports I've tried and IMHO come out on top every time.I drink it regularly in North Dakota,Wyoming and here in Texas when I can find it..Best pairing I've had with Moosedrool is a DPG Blue Exqisito.It was almost like they were made for each other........one complimenting the other so naturally.

Like DED said.....expand your horizons.


Ron


Well, we dont get that out here on the east coast, but if you feel that strongly about it, then send me some samples, I'd be more than happy to give it a review....seriously

Bill
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#30 Posted: Sun, May 22 2011, 9:59 PM EST
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I had a La Auroma de Cuba Mi Amour tonight and paired it with Jack Daniels "HONEY". gonna be a new favorite pairing. Had just the right amount of sweetness to bring out the flavors of the cigar. My favorite beer with a full flavored cigar is Left handed Milk Stout.
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#31 Posted: Sun, May 22 2011, 10:28 PM EST
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Don't forget RED ZINFANDEL or just Zinfandel.

Zinfandel has wild berry, smoky, oaky character that pair inevitably with cigars. Many zin have tobacco character. In fact, one vintner, whose Zin always had a "cigar box" character to it, released a wine callled "Cigar Zin." (Consentino).

I'm down with the Port too. Some sticks wll go with sherry or other fortified wines.

Love to hear how the experiment turns out.





BDS12 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, May 23 2011, 2:20 AM EST
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Having a monte media noche with Sambuca Romana on the rocks, matchin up pretty good.
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#33 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 4:24 AM EST
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Usually just stick to bourbon.
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#34 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 2:34 PM EST
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JMetz wrote:
Usually just stick to bourbon.


I like Woodford Reserve. Any other like that one? I find some too sweet.
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#35 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 2:42 PM EST
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Gentleman Jack is good. The new Jack Daniels Honey is also very nice...
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#36 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 2:50 PM EST
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Bombdawgy wrote:
Gentleman Jack is good. The new Jack Daniels Honey is also very nice...


I've had the jack, the honey doesn't sound like something that I would like. I had a scotch with a hint of honey and didn't like that in a whiskey. The jack is good, as is the single barrel jack.
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#37 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 3:16 PM EST
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WHERES THE WHISKEY!!??
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#38 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 7:52 PM EST
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Northsidepk wrote:
WHERES THE WHISKEY!!??


Here, I'll pour you a glass. On the rocks?
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#39 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 8:42 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I like Woodford Reserve. Any other like that one? I find some too sweet.



I bounce back and forth between Knob Creek and Woodford Reserve.I also like Gentleman Jack but prefer George Dickel over it anyday.....there's just something about the Dickel.


Ron
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#40 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 8:59 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
there's just something about the Dickel.


Ron


Was gonna be a smart azz here, but it's just too easy
FuzzNJ Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 9:06 PM EST
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BDS12 wrote:
Was gonna be a smart azz here, but it's just too easy


Yeah, I passed too. He set himself up on purpose too because he thinks about gay guys like 74% of his waking hours and 100% of his non-waking hours.
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#42 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 9:14 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, I passed too. He set himself up on purpose too because he thinks about gay guys like 74% of his waking hours and 100% of his non-waking hours.



I've really been trying to be nice to you.....Not sure why???????End of days maybe?????You're making it difficult.


And YES I love George Dickel on the rocks,neat or mixed with dash of 7 up.


Ron
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#43 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 9:20 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I've really been trying to be nice to you.....Not sure why???????End of days maybe?????You're making it difficult.


And YES I love George Dickel on the rocks,neat or mixed with dash of 7 up.


Ron


7 up? In Bourbon whiskey? For Shame!
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#44 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 9:31 PM EST
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Blantons and Barq's---not mixed tho. LOL
Whistlebritches Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, May 24 2011, 9:48 PM EST
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t33bone wrote:
Blantons and Barq's---not mixed tho. LOL



Barq's is root beer....You lightweight.


Ron
BDS12 Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, May 27 2011, 1:50 AM EST
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So lou, it's been awhile now, whats the verdict???
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#47 Posted: Fri, May 27 2011, 3:09 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I've had the jack, the honey doesn't sound like something that I would like. I had a scotch with a hint of honey and didn't like that in a whiskey. The jack is good, as is the single barrel jack.


You should try the Honey...I am usually a scotch drinker and sweet isn't something I thought I would like, but it was a surprise to me also that I enjoy it..Herfing
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#48 Posted: Fri, May 27 2011, 4:22 PM EST
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derfladnar wrote:
You should try the Honey...I am usually a scotch drinker and sweet isn't something I thought I would like, but it was a surprise to me also that I enjoy it..Herfing


I purchased a Johnny Walker combo pack, black, red and yellow. The yellow had a hint of honey, and is the most expensive of the three if I remember correctly (this was several years ago) and I like that one the least. It was the only time I tried the Johnny Walker's though. For scotch I kinda like the Glenmorangie. I'm not a huge fan of real peatie scotch.
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#49 Posted: Fri, May 27 2011, 5:30 PM EST
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Nuttin beats the Blue....
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#50 Posted: Fri, May 27 2011, 10:03 PM EST
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bdrizzle wrote:
I like crown and blue monster. Really coats the palate before I burn my Mark Twizzle.

Why would you ruin Crown Royal with "Blue Monster" (whatever that is). That's like infusing a Padron Ann. Serie with peppermint. TAFAIESOTW.ram27bat

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