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Obama Just Pissed off Netanyahu
HockeyDad Offline
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+1 Obama

Time to end the occupation.
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I sure he'll appologize soon.... prolly send him an i-pod & stuff... Mellow
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You think they're going to listen to the Kenyan King?


Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
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Gotta appease the hommies.
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Dang.....Barak got called out by Al Jazeera!




Mister President, not another sermon!

Dear Mr President: Making another speech is welcomed, especially during these uncertain times. But frankly, it won't make that much of a difference unless it is followed-up with a frank and open conversation.

We've already heard three cornerstone speeches destined for the Arab and Muslim worlds, and realize all too well that you're the commander-in-speech. And we've also watched you fight on three war fronts in the Muslim world, as the US Commander in Chief.

But shooting hoops is nothing like 'one-on-one' when playing ball, Barack- if you don't mind me calling you by your court name. You need to put your lay-ups to the test.

And in the Arab court, there is one heavy-weight worth taking on, and that's Al Jazeera. Playing with light-weights is not becoming of someone who boasts about his jump-shots.

Yes, your speeches are aired live, and watched by millions. And yes, this one will be dissected and deciphered once again by the pundits. But at the end of the day, it will be just another sermon; an attempt to talk over peoples' heads.

This is no time for more lectures and promises. You need to talk to us.

I read about your much touted pedigree and personal story. And like you, Al Jazeera is also the embodiment of plurality of race and ideology, as well as the home of a plethora of ethnic identities and nationalities.

Indeed, within the sphere of global and Arab journalism, 'we're the ones we've been waiting for'.

The Arab world needs to hear certain answers to indispensable questions. With our pulse on the regional and global mood, we have the pertinent ones for you.

Yes, we will come at you with all we've got. And yes, we might take advantage of your weak points, but it's nothing you can't handle.

Your financial gestures to Egypt and other reformers in your speech this week and, what is certain to be more of the same strategic gestures to Israel during your AIPAC speech next week, aren't enough.

Piecemeal solutions and more political phases would only compromise peoples' power and defuse the will of the masses.

You must address the perception of hypocrisy (past policy vs present promises, rhetoric and reality), double standards (pressures on certain regimes but not on others) and indifference regarding some important regional and geopolitical challenges facing the Arab world, notably Israel's four decade colonial dictatorship.

These could only be answered satisfactorily through an exchange that you need to have with the Arab and the Muslim worlds.

A speech, no matter how eloquent, how bombastic, or how promising doesn't compare to a humble conversation.

Through our Arabic and English channels, we are the network that's watched by much of the Arab and Muslim worlds. Our credibility, and open freedom of expression, render us the indispensable media outlet among Arab and global satellite networks.

As your own Secretary of State Hillary Clinton put it: Al Jazeera is "changing peoples' minds and attitudes. And like it or hate it, it is really effective".

Meanwhile, you've given interviews to US news channels, which by Clinton's own admission "aren't keeping up".

I've just chatted for the third time in four months with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and he could tell you why we're almost addictive.

By the way, with the killing of bin Laden, the visit of Israel's prime minister and the belated support you've shown to the Arab Spring (late is better than never...!), we have much to talk about.

After three sermons and a funeral, it's time to converse Mr. President. What say you!
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Fancy taunting to get an interview with Barry Sotoro.....

Well played though, damn clever bedouins.
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they should have another beer summit.... Mellow
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It is so ON
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teedubbya wrote:
It is so ON


As the prophesy hath foretold.
teedubbya Offline
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let the break dancing begin!
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DrafterX wrote:
they should have another beer summit.... Mellow


Ummmmmm




maybe a Seltzer Summit Beer
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apachelm wrote:
Ummmmmm




maybe a Seltzer Summit Beer


With big BLT sammiches.
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I wonder when the American Jewish populace will FINALLY wake up and decide that the Democratic party has tooled them over and over again.


I CANNOT wait for the lamenting of Rick.

Stay tuned for this one!

Remember...Bush loved Israel.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I wonder when the American Jewish populace will FINALLY wake up and decide that the Democratic party has tooled them over and over again.


I CANNOT wait for the lamenting of Rick.

Stay tuned for this one!

Remember...Bush loved Israel.


Yeah, most fundamentalist christians love Israel and support Israel the way they do in order to try to fulfill 'prophesy'. They also think that all but 144,000 jews will die and go to hell after Jesus comes back during the 'tribulation'. The final war between good and evil is supposed to be fought there and God is supposed to set up his 1,000 year kingdom on earth there as well. There are variations of this of course.

Israeli politicians know this of course, but ignore it. It's a really strange way to 'love' someone, imho.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, most fundamentalist christians love Israel and support Israel the way they do in order to try to fulfill 'prophesy'. They also think that all but 144,000 jews will die and go to hell after Jesus comes back during the 'tribulation'. The final war between good and evil is supposed to be fought there and God is supposed to set up his 1,000 year kingdom on earth there as well. There are variations of this of course.

Israeli politicians know this of course, but ignore it. It's a really strange way to 'love' someone, imho.




You're completely ignorant for most of your post, but that's because you're mad at God. Why? I don't know. Maybe you were an abused alterboy, forced to attend or just can't come to grips with the notion that a Higher Power (more than a human) offered you dominion over his Creation. I don't know and I really don't care but to marginalize religion the manner you do, there's deep seeded anger there and it's silly. Understanding God's love and the love we're commanded to share is the crux of religion. I'm not a practicing person, but I don't bash on others that do in any way shape or form. I'm still seeking what fits for me. I've attended many different demoninations and many religions looking to find what fits according to the way I see my Maker. It's a journey I have to make that nobody else can walk for me. I've found similarities, I've found instances where I "belong" and I've found that there's more to Life than what Man can make up. I'm open and willing to fathom that God sent his only son to preach a message built upon forgiveness, love and peace. You NEVER let the subject pass without a smarmy comment and you're condescending towards posters here that project that. That's your weight to carry. Good luck with that baggage.

Getting back to the post though, I suppose you're going to defend the Palestinians? Israel should vacate and comply with the Kenyan King's order? I'm onboard with the whole let's take the money we throw away to other nations bit lock stock and barrel but to force border restrictions or guidelines on an other nation? Okay, everyone see our leader for what he is.

If you cannot see how ridiculous the President is on this then you're as lost as the Jewish voter.

Owebama is not worthy of a second term and this foolish act will most likely cement that in for him. Goodbye AIPAC donations. Goodbye public support from a nation that overwhelmingly believes in a Higher Power.


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Dude, it's an accurate description of fundamentalist christianity's beliefs regarding the end times. It isn't a bash and I'm far from ignorant on the subject. The rest of your rant is strange and out of place considering the topic.

Lost as the Jewish voter? You apparently are one of those who think that because the majority of Jews in this country vote Democratic, they are crazy or stupid. Who is being judgemental and ignorant now?

As far as peace in the area is concerned, I'm not holding my breath. There will never be peace there as long as people consider places on earth to be 'holy', or gifts from god.
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Ok...Please detail how your post is accurate then.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ok...Please detail how your post is accurate then.


lol, what? Just read post 14 again. You don't actually want me to give you a bible lesson as interpreted by fundies do you?
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lol, what? Just read post 14 again. You don't actually want me to give you a bible lesson as interpreted by fundies do you?



Yeah, I do.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, I do.


Sweet. Well, that's not gonna happen. But post 14 is a short description of the end times prophesy, here's the same thing, only with a bit more detail.

If Jews in Israel or anywhere don't accept Jesus as their savior and the son of God, they will go to hell, except 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, making 144,000. The Christians will ascend into heaven, even the dead ones tearing up graves, 7 years of tribulation will start, 3 1/2 years of peace when the anti-christ will rule, then 3 1/2 years of hell on earth, mark of the beast if you don't accept it you will be beheaded most people think.

Then the big battle between good and evil at Armageddon, blood rises as high as a horse's head, God wins (of course). God then sets up a 1,000 year kingdom of heaven on earth.

And there are a bunch of people who think this entire scenario starts tomorrow night at 6.

There is more detail like a prophet being shot in Jerusalem and left on the streets for 3 days only to come back to life, the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse each bringing a different scourge. All real scary stuff.

There are entire books written about it, even fiction ones like the 'Left Behind' series, if the subject interests you. This is what fundamentalist christians believe, churches like the ones Palin, Bachmann, Bush Jr., Franklin Graham, Jimmy Swaggart, etc all attend.
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Brick wall

Fuzz... it sounds like you debate too much with Jehovah Witnesses that come to your door and get them confused with Jews/Judaism.. The Torah talks about the after life, does not mention anything about 144000. However, Jehovah Witness believe in it.. and all others will live on the a new Earth

Brick wall

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[quote=FuzzNJ]Sweet. Well, that's not gonna happen. [quote]


That's because you're wrong and know it.

Thanks for showing how ignorant you really are at getting your point across.
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Nicar wrote:
Brick wall

Fuzz... it sounds like you debate too much with Jehovah Witnesses that come to your door and get them confused with Jews/Judaism.. The Torah talks about the after life, does not mention anything about 144000. However, Jehovah Witness believe in it.. and all others will live on the a new Earth

Brick wall




Shhh..dammit!whip
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Shhh..dammit!whip



I deleted and canceled several times.. just couldn't be quiet any longer... it was bugging me... especially after his last post restating it
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If the shoe was on the other foot he'd be blabbing about how I should just use the g00gl3.

Here he is shooting off his mouth on a subject that he has now proven he knows next to NOTHING about and one that makes his blood boil. Actually he and Rick have a lot in common and they stick up for each other.

The both are so faaaaar to the Left that Pelosi is a moderate in their eyes and they both loathe organized religion...of ANY kind.

They're "godz" in their own minds.

Let them have their fun.

I actually pity someone so narrow minded.
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Yeah, I understand about shoe being on other foot...

You know.. i heard someone say something about being able to learn how to read at their local community college.. (think that was polesmoker, another lefty)
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Nicar wrote:
Brick wall

Fuzz... it sounds like you debate too much with Jehovah Witnesses that come to your door and get them confused with Jews/Judaism.. The Torah talks about the after life, does not mention anything about 144000. However, Jehovah Witness believe in it.. and all others will live on the a new Earth

Brick wall




Nope, never have. I wasn't talking about what the Torah says, or what JW's believe, I was describing what fundamentalist christians believe.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
[quote=FuzzNJ]Sweet. Well, that's not gonna happen. [quote]


That's because you're wrong and know it.

Thanks for showing how ignorant you really are at getting your point across.


In what way am I wrong?

Are you familiar with fundamentalist/pentecostal christianity? Point out where I am wrong then please.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
If the shoe was on the other foot he'd be blabbing about how I should just use the g00gl3.

Here he is shooting off his mouth on a subject that he has now proven he knows next to NOTHING about and one that makes his blood boil. Actually he and Rick have a lot in common and they stick up for each other.

The both are so faaaaar to the Left that Pelosi is a moderate in their eyes and they both loathe organized religion...of ANY kind.

They're "godz" in their own minds.

Let them have their fun.

I actually pity someone so narrow minded.


Dude, wtf does Pelosi have to do with this conversation?

Listen, I grew up in these churches, I went to their schools, I watched their movies, read their books, listened to their sermons, thousands of them. But you are telling me I know nothing? Hilarious.
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In what way am I wrong?

Are you familiar with fundamentalist/pentecostal christianity? Point out where I am wrong then please.



I already did.

Then I asked for clarification.

You either couldn't or when you started you found out how wrong you were.

Thanks.
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Dude, wtf does Pelosi have to do with this conversation?

Listen, I grew up in these churches, I went to their schools, I watched their movies, read their books, listened to their sermons, thousands of them. But you are telling me I know nothing? Hilarious.



Actually its a repeated pattern that libs have showed on this board and others.

Hate religion, hate God...love them some Democratic party like its a religion.

You might've grown up in a church...you didn't listen or learn SQUAT!
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Pentecostals are nut-jobs.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I already did.

Then I asked for clarification.

You either couldn't or when you started you found out how wrong you were.

Thanks.


Wow dude. Post 20 wasn't good enough for you? What exactly are you looking for? A phone call from a preacher?
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Wow dude. Post 20 wasn't good enough for you? What exactly are you looking for? A phone call from a preacher?



EPIC FAIL!!!
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HockeyDad wrote:
Pentecostals are nut-jobs.


Can't be. DMV hates me so much nothing I say is true.

Hey DMV, it's raining here in NJ and the grass in my yard is green.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
EPIC FAIL!!!


WTF is wrong with you? Seriously?
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Can't be. DMV hates me so much nothing I say is true.

Hey DMV, it's raining here in NJ and the grass in my yard is green.



Ahem, I don't hate you...get real.

I think you're missing out on a LOT.

As far as the weather...it is whatever it is wherever you are. One thing is for certain...you won't know it's changed if you're glued to a computer screen 24x7.
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WTF is wrong with you? Seriously?



Nothing.

Pointing out the obvious from you.

You had your big chance and shot your wad.

You had no game.

You brought nothing.

Sad part, is you didn't even try.

I even gave you a 2nd chance too.

You can try now and claim I hate you and that I have something wrong, but you're ill-informed on a LOT more things than you know and you refuse to acknowledge it.

that is...


EPIC FAIL PART DEUX!!!!
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Yeah, most fundamentalist Christians love Israel and support Israel the way they do in order to try to fulfill 'prophesy'.




The key to whether you are right or wrong is the term "fundamentalist". If by "fundamentalist you mean "premillennialists", I would agree. If you mean all Christians, I would disagree.

The majority of Christians are amillennialists.


(Pentecostals are whack-job premillennialists.)
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ahem, I don't hate you...get real.

I think you're missing out on a LOT.

As far as the weather...it is whatever it is wherever you are. One thing is for certain...you won't know it's changed if you're glued to a computer screen 24x7.


Thanks for your concern. I'm fine.

Here's a dude who writes about different interpretations of the end times prophesies in revelations and other books of the bible if you are actually interested in the topic, but I'm thinking you are just acting up as usual.

http://www.matthewmcgee.org/rapture.html

I have a cousin who's third wife is one of these 'prophets' who goes around preaching about this stuff, that and how Islam is the devil and fits into these prophesies.

I'm really not sure why you are being so hostile toward me about this to be honest. Sure, I think the entire thing is total crap, but I'm not making these things up.
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HockeyDad wrote:
The key to whether you are right or wrong is the term "fundamentalist". If by "fundamentalist you mean "premillennialists", I would agree. If you mean all Christians, I would disagree.

The majority of Christians are amillennialists.


(Pentecostals are whack-job premillennialists.)


The link I just posted shows the 4 different variations, like I said there were. Pre, mid post and amillennialists. The general story is the same, just what happens in what order, etc. And I think they are all whack jobs. ;)
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The link I just posted shows the 4 different variations, like I said there were. Pre, mid post and amillennialists. The general story is the same, just what happens in what order, etc. And I think they are all whack jobs. ;)



Actually the difference between premillenial and amillennial is huge and the general story is different.

You just know the minority pentecostal premillenial whack-job version.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Actually the difference between premillenial and amillennial is huge and the general story is different.

You just know the minority pentecostal premillenial whack-job version.


True, my bad. I shouldn't have included amillennial among the other 3. The discussion started about fundamentalist christians and those demominations are not amillennialists.
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The reality is the majority of Christianity does not believe in the whole "rapture" idea.
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HockeyDad wrote:
The reality is the majority of Christianity does not believe in the whole "rapture" idea.



C'mon...he grew up IN the church.

He KNEW that...NOW!

Sit back and let him teach us!
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm really not sure why you are being so hostile toward me about this to be honest. Sure, I think the entire thing is total crap, but I'm not making these things up.


Nobody is being hostile but if you want to wrap yourself in the Pity Me banner and cry...go fer it!
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HockeyDad wrote:
The reality is the majority of Christianity does not believe in the whole "rapture" idea.


This is also true, and I never claimed otherwise. From the very first post I said 'most fundamentalist christians'.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Nobody is being hostile but if you want to wrap yourself in the Pity Me banner and cry...go fer it!


Dude, you certainly were, not asking for pity, don't even care, just pointing out you immediatly went into 'YOU LIE' mode, calling me ignorant, etc for some reason. You're still acting like an angry child over it. Seems you can't control yourself when certain subjects are talked about. Very strange.
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nursevm

he is as american as i am and as you claim to be.
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The Obama Administration will put forth new peace initiatives only if Israel wants it to, said Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in his first comprehensive interview on foreign policy since taking office.

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