America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 12 years ago by Brewha. 61 replies replies.
2 Pages12>
Study: Political Leaning Indicated by Genetic/Organic Brain Structure Differences
rfenst Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
Saw this on another site. Haven't researched its authenticity or subject matter. Just thought it was interesting and would be "enjoyed" here:


"Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults
Current Biology, Volume 21, Issue 8, 677-680, 07 April 2011
Copyright © 2011 Elsevier Ltd All rights reserved.
...

Summary

Substantial differences exist in the cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives on psychological measures [1]. Variability in political attitudes reflects genetic influences and their interaction with environmental factors [2,3]. Recent work has shown a correlation between liberalism and conflict-related activity measured by event-related potentials originating in the anterior cingulate cortex [4]. Here we show that this functional correlate of political attitudes has a counterpart in brain structure. In a large sample of young adults, we related self-reported political attitudes to gray matter volume using structural MRI. We found that greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex, whereas greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala. These results were replicated in an independent sample of additional participants. Our findings extend previous observations that political attitudes reflect differences in self-regulatory conflict monitoring [4] and recognition of emotional faces [5] by showing that such attitudes are reflected in human brain structure. Although our data do not determine whether these regions play a causal role in the formation of political attitudes, they converge with previous work [4,6] to suggest a possible link between brain structure and psychological mechanisms that mediate political attitudes. "
JadeRose Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2008
Posts: 19,525
Uuuhh....well......Think Think




I like pie.
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,156
...But my political leaning change on a daily basis. What does that mean? Shut up! Don't tell me to shut up, I'm typing here. I'll tell you to shut up if I want to. Oh yeah, well Vive le France. Stupid frog.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,559
Mellow
gringococolo Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 02-04-2006
Posts: 4,626
So the basic premis is liberals are ruled by emotions (irrational) and conservitaves are ruled by fear (rational).
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Look, I can look at an issue and research it pretty clearly without a preconcieved blemish.

I can be swayed and taught.

However, if it cuts across a personal conservative ideology that has served me well throughout my own life...then somebody show me the free lunch.

Somebody ALWAYS pays.

Give up the alphabet soup mindset. The R's, D's and I's have messed up our nation.

Break out the tar and feathers and stocks...it's past due.
DadZilla3 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2009
Posts: 4,633
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Break out the tar and feathers and stocks...it's past due.

Bingo.
Brewha Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
To me, conservatism is born from an intolerance of ambiguity.
And they tend to be absolute moralists.
These are not signs of an analytical mind . . . .

Just say’n.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
So seeking an ambiguous answer rather than an absolute answer is analytical?

So you like the hunt more than the kill......

I like both.
FuzzNJ Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
ZRX1200 wrote:
So seeking an ambiguous answer rather than an absolute answer is analytical?

So you like the hunt more than the kill......

I like both.


I would also add the inability to properly understand and/or the deliberate misrepresentation of another person's opinions or statements.
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
FuzzNJ wrote:
I would also add the inability to properly understand and/or the deliberate misrepresentation of another person's opinions or statements.


Actually, I don’t think ZR’s comments are ether. He was simply saying that he agreed – in an ambiguously analytical way.

And that hunt’n is fun, just like kill’n. Odd sort of comment I thought . . . . .
FuzzNJ Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Brewha wrote:
Actually, I don’t think ZR’s comments are ether. He was simply saying that he agreed – in an ambiguously analytical way.

And that hunt’n is fun, just like kill’n. Odd sort of comment I thought . . . . .


Perhaps, but the comment that the answer would be ambiguous wouldn't necessarily be the case.
Brewha Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
Suddenly, I find myself surrounded by ambiguity.

But I feel I have the capacity to accept it – I think.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
So now you are a liberal by hypothesis!

I do agree but I don't think wanting a definitive answer is stogy analysis....... and I was just having fun with the hunting comment. Searching as opposed to finding.
wheelrite Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
What a crock,,,

They studied "Young Adults"
Most young adults,18-32 are apolitical and most lean to the left bcause they have'nt had to pay outrageous taxes and deal with other gov't bull chit...

I'm sure this study was funded by a Liberal Think Tank,,,
FuzzNJ Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
wheelrite wrote:
What a crock,,,

They studied "Young Adults"
Most young adults,18-32 are apolitical and most lean to the left bcause they have'nt had to pay outrageous taxes and deal with other gov't bull chit...

I'm sure this study was funded by a Liberal Think Tank,,,


lol
Brewha Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
In a vain attempt to dispel the ambiguity I have introduced;
I know many people who are uncomfortable with the fact that there are some things we will never know, or that the truth of a situation depends on your point of view. They insist on absolute answers – insisting that there is no room for interpretation;

Why are we here? Lots of answers on this one – no tangible proof. But it is very telling if a person approaches it as “no one really knows” or “there is only one answer”.

“Never believe your doubts and never doubt your believes” is a phrase that epitomizes conservative thinking.

“The truth is mutable” would be the liberal slant.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Brewha wrote:
In a vain attempt to dispel the ambiguity I have introduced;
I know many people who are uncomfortable with the fact that there are some things we will never know, or that the truth of a situation depends on your point of view. They insist on absolute answers – insisting that there is no room for interpretation;

Why are we here? Lots of answers on this one – no tangible proof. But it is very telling if a person approaches it as “no one really knows” or “there is only one answer”.

“Never believe your doubts and never doubt your believes” is a phrase that epitomizes conservative thinking.

“The truth is mutable” would be the liberal slant.



Just wow.

No faith in your world?
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Just wow.

No faith in your world?


Lots of faith in my world. Faith is good. So is a questioning mind.

Yes – you can have faith and still ask questions. After all, you can’t really have faith, until you admit you don’t know.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Brewha wrote:
Lots of faith in my world. Faith is good. So is a questioning mind.

Yes – you can have faith and still ask questions. After all, you can’t really have faith, until you admit you don’t know.



Funny how you're trying to prove intolerance.

Telling.

Not quite the faith I was going on either...lots of definations.
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
Brewha do you find fault with those have absolutes stemming from faith or was this a observation? Not being confrontational simply asking.

I am not the most "religious" person you will meet, but I do find fault with mans interpretation of Gods will/words. I also find no fault in thinking out doubts or thoughts.
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
ZRX1200 wrote:
Brewha do you find fault with those have absolutes stemming from faith or was this a observation? Not being confrontational simply asking.


A fair question ZR – no confrontation taken. I do not find fault with absolutes from faith (I have a few myself). I do take issue with those who lose site of the difference between fact and faith; I can respect someone who absolutely believes that eating meat is wrong – provided they respect that I absolutely believe it is right.

People need to have faith. But faith to the exclusion of inquiry is wrong (my opinion).

BTW – seem there are as many interpretations of God’s will/word as there are people interpretation it.


DMV,
Sorry I just don’t follow “prove intolerance”. What do you mean?
BTW, Nice picture of Bush.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Brewha wrote:
DMV,
Sorry I just don’t follow “prove intolerance”. What do you mean?
BTW, Nice picture of Bush.


No, you are in fact painting with wide strokes that don't need to be there. I explained quite clearly in my 1st post on this thread how I felt the OP isn't quite that "black and white" of an issue. If they cannot find a "Gay Gene" then why would I believe for one second that whatever side of my brain I favor at the moment is what dictates how I behave and believe?

YOU called conversativism some sort of intolerance and then tried to delve into a philosophical discussion to propel your beliefs.

A cradle to grave entitlement mentality and a buy/bailout mentality make no sense to me...at all. In the end someone ALWAYS pays. Wouldn't you rather be responsible for yourself? I sure as hell would.



BTW...it's actually it's our pRESIDENT.
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
DrMaddVibe wrote:
No, you are in fact painting with wide strokes that don't need to be there. I explained quite clearly in my 1st post on this thread how I felt the OP isn't quite that "black and white" of an issue. If they cannot find a "Gay Gene" then why would I believe for one second that whatever side of my brain I favor at the moment is what dictates how I behave and believe?

YOU called conversativism some sort of intolerance and then tried to delve into a philosophical discussion to propel your beliefs.

A cradle to grave entitlement mentality and a buy/bailout mentality make no sense to me...at all. In the end someone ALWAYS pays. Wouldn't you rather be responsible for yourself? I sure as hell would.



BTW...it's actually it's our pRESIDENT.


Oh, don’t deny it – there are physical reasons for peoples predisposed thought patterns and abilities. That’s why musicians tend to run in families; though to be a thickening an area of the temporal lobes (that’s part of the brain). So some brains are less tolerant ambiguity and others are less tolerant of dogma - Makes sense to me.

Guilty – I did bring philosophy into the discussion – ETFOOM.

DMV, you seem a bit hostel and intolerant of other view points. Would you call yourself conservative?

Sorry about the pic. Looked to me like Bush giving the nation a hand job. Obama would be taller, ya know . . .
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Brewha wrote:
Oh, don’t deny it – there are physical reasons for peoples predisposed thought patterns and abilities. That’s why musicians tend to run in families; though to be a thickening an area of the temporal lobes (that’s part of the brain). So some brains are less tolerant ambiguity and others are less tolerant of dogma - Makes sense to me.

Guilty – I did bring philosophy into the discussion – ETFOOM.

DMV, you seem a bit hostel and intolerant of other view points. Would you call yourself conservative?

Sorry about the pic. Looked to me like Bush giving the nation a hand job. Obama would be taller, ya know . . .



You want to claim some "high ground" and in painting with label swatches you come across as rather ignorant. Notice I didn't say stupid. We are talking about 2 different things. You can be a smart individual and be ignorant. I mean if you don't know, you don't know. Your "dogma" is what suits you. If you truly believe that every decision was already made for you in some DNA strain then swim around blissfully with that. I have a life to live to it's fullest.


Yes, Owebama is giving America a handjob. Don't worry, he'll figure out a way to get in a couple rounds of golf this week. THAT'S important business dontcha know. Besides Greece is on line 4...they deserve a bailout. Important work...important work.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
I think DMV's tone is from the conclusion one could draw about your feelings of conservatives Brewha. I think one could easily assume you were showing ignorance of conservative thought process and kinda using the biological makeup aspect to show maybe a defect.

I often think some liberal arguments are ignorant, I try to never assume the thought or beliefs are the person though. That's the part of decency I think that has abandoned conversation.

Brewha Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
ZR, Thank you for the interpretation of DMV’s . . . writings. Your points are well taken.

I believe that people, conservatives and liberals both, are predisposed to “find what they are looking for”. As proof of this, I offer that no matter how many times I look, the monkey still looks like Bush. Plainly, there has been some faulty logic on both sides. Smile

Many times I have been frustrated with conservative arguments and assertions. I suppose more genteel language would benefit both sides.

Back to cases – without trying to find fault with either side, I believe there are physical differences in the brain that bias one to be liberal or conservative. I’m sure background has an effect as well.
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
And we agreee!

Oh no......Hehe.
FuzzNJ Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
There is no truth, only perception.
Brewha Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
Truth is mutable - from a pragmatic point of view - unless you are fundamentally conservative.
Did I get that right?
FuzzNJ Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Brewha wrote:
Truth is mutable - from a pragmatic point of view - unless you are fundamentally conservative.
Did I get that right?


There is no truth at all. Only what we perceive to be truth. If we wouldn't be around to define, perceive or argue truth, it wouldn't exist. It is only a concept.
rfenst Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
Anyone got a study that supports or contradicts the OP?
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,626
FuzzNJ rendered all opinions as void of facts so a contradictory paper would just be moot. Plus the OP didn't prove that he snoped it......so cbid forum bylaws don't require dissenting opinions to prove anything.
HockeyDad Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,156
rfenst wrote:
Anyone got a study that supports or contradicts the OP?




The study was based on 90 University College London students. That raises a few questions.

1. Does this only apply to English politics.
2. How does it work in countries where there are more political choices than the survey offered.
3. Do we really want to trust anything based on English brains.
4. Will these lead to a cure for "liberalism".
DrMaddVibe Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
rfenst wrote:
Anyone got a study that supports or contradicts the OP?



Well, if you're not from a family of musicians then you have no chance of becoming one...other than that...nope.


PS: Ever change your mind when you're at a restaurant? Why?

OOOPPPPS!!whip
rfenst Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
Y'all don't need to get your panties bunched up over the o.p.

The study isn't earth shattering or 100% conclusive of anything much, other than that there are people investigating whether neurobiology plays any role in political ideology.

If a credible, convincing neurobiological connection does exist, wouldn't it be interesting?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489





FREEWILL IS DEAD OUTRAGE!!!
Brewha Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
FuzzNJ wrote:
There is no truth at all.


Would you call that a 'truth'?Angel
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
Interesting the conservatives on the forum seem to interpret the OP in absolute terms, i.e., we are hardwired and have no choice.

Could this be an intolerance of ambiguity? Think
HockeyDad Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,156
rfenst wrote:


If a credible, convincing neurobiological connection does exist, wouldn't it be interesting?



I think it would be incredibly interesting and could become the first step towards some sort of surgical cure for liberalism.

The possibilities are endless:

"Get Screened for Liberalism Early" public service announcements.

"Liberalism Awareness Month"

"Sarah Palin Liberalism Walk for the Cure"

....and outrage over the fact that Planned Parenthood offers liberalism corrective surgery paid for with taxpayer money!
gringococolo Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 02-04-2006
Posts: 4,626
Asperger syndrome

DrMaddVibe Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
Brewha wrote:
Interesting the conservatives on the forum seem to interpret the OP in absolute terms, i.e., we are hardwired and have no choice.

Could this be an intolerance of ambiguity? Think



Actually...you're wrong with your surmise.

You read into things with a notion of what you want...not what is written there.

Faith...like I said has many definations...you wanted it to mean some religious banter.

Freewill?

Personal responsibility?

Nice try.

Me, I'm not "hardwired". I work for what I have and am always looking for new things to keep my mind busy like hobbies and personal enrichment. I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.

There is no preordained plan.

Serpentine. You have to serpentine.
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
My pencil is big and yellow
Brewha Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
HockeyDad wrote:
I think it would be incredibly interesting and could become the first step towards some sort of surgical cure for liberalism.

The possibilities are endless:

"Get Screened for Liberalism Early" public service announcements.

"Liberalism Awareness Month"

"Sarah Palin Liberalism Walk for the Cure"

....and outrage over the fact that Planned Parenthood offers liberalism corrective surgery paid for with taxpayer money!


Yes – and a simple procedure to cure liberalism;
Just remove 25% of the brain . . . . .


- Just kidding
Brewha Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Actually...you're wrong with your surmise.
You read into things with a notion of what you want...not what is written there.
Faith...like I said has many definations...you wanted it to mean some religious banter.
Freewill?
Personal responsibility?
Nice try.
Me, I'm not "hardwired". I work for what I have and am always looking for new things to keep my mind busy like hobbies and personal enrichment. I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.
There is no preordained plan.
Serpentine. You have to serpentine.


Thanks DMV!
Tell us again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earth quakes.
FuzzNJ Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Brewha wrote:
Would you call that a 'truth'?Angel


There is no truth, as I've already stated, so no.
FuzzNJ Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
DrMaddVibe wrote:

Me, I'm not "hardwired".


You don't have to think about breathing or making your heart beat do you?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.


Really? Can you fly? Pick up a cement truck? Get pregnant?

Whistle
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
FuzzNJ wrote:
You don't have to think about breathing or making your heart beat do you?



Really? Can you fly? Pick up a cement truck? Get pregnant?

:-"



You really are a confused person.

So now we're talking about pure involuntary movements?

Really?

A political lean on the right or left side of the brain is now involuntary?Shame on you

You missed the whole "Ever change your mind at a restaurant" slip?

Faith?

Freewill?

Hello?Think

I can tell you with complete certainty that I have voted for Democrats and Republicans...even voted for an Independant.

I've had brain surgery...that must explain why I've voted like that. There's no other way.

You're hardwired to only one belief. I feel so bad for you. Must suck to just only eat vanilla. You don't know what Butterscotch and Chocolate taste like because your brain only tells you you can eat Vanilla.

There...that's really clear now. I fully understand how the "liberal" mind works. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time...won't be the last either!
chiefburg Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 01-31-2005
Posts: 7,384
First, I didn't read the whole thread.....didn't have enough time and I've been busy lately. But, I like the comments and throught processes I did read.

I think it's quite logical that the brain DNA and/or makeup can influence thoughts/ideas/political leanings/etc. We know that chemicals the brains produces (or fails to produce) can profoundly affect how we feel, how we act, and plays a large part of controlling our emotions. This is proven - just look at anyone who suffers from mental illness. Those people, when given the right chemicals (medically) drastically alter their ideas and thought patterns.

Also, genetics do play a role. I have read studies where twins were separated at birth and raised by different families hundreds to thousands of miles apart. There are many documented cases where they were reunited 30+ years later and it was incredible how much alike they were, how they spent their money, their beliefs, and even the type of person they married (along with the number of children).
rfenst Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
DrMaddVibe wrote:
FREEWILL IS DEAD OUTRAGE!!!


Apparently, you lacked free will to spell correctly when you posted!!! LOL!


Anyhow, I have always thought of the concept of "free will" in terms of philosophies such as whether there is an omnipotent god, determinism, deistical control- and the like.

If you want to argue the existence of absolute free will in a non-dietiacayal concept, such that neurobiological or biological matters don't exist or aren't part of a decision or human event, then, please start by merely consciously, mentally cutting off the blood supply to your extremities; your heart or even your brain; or making yourself taller/shorter; male/female; big -footed/little footed; etc.

You can't. Not everything we do or that happens is the product of pure rational thought.


Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>