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Dems that were Pro Life and then turned to the Dark Side
wheelrite Offline
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Votes are more important than a Human Life



Flip-Flopping..Look what these presently "pro-choice" politicians said previously about abortion

AL GORE

* In 1980, Gore wrote a letter to NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE, supporting the Hyde Amendment.

* On June 26, 1984, Representative Al Gore cast an extremely pro-life vote. While debating the Civil Rights Act of 1984, Representative Siljander proposed the following amendment.

"For the purposes of this act, the term 'person' shall include unborn children from the moment of conception."
After debate, Mr. Siljander demanded a recorded vote. The amendment was defeated 219 to 186. Among the recorded votes for the amendment was that of Al Gore. This amendment was in direct opposition to Roe v Wade, not just one against federal funding for abortions. In addition, he denied even casting that vote on Meet the Press on Feb. 21, 1988, and a Gore advisor stated to U.S. News and World Report on March 7, 1998, that: "Since there's a record of that vote, we only have one choice. In effect, what we have to do is deny, deny, deny."

* In Iowa and New Hampshire, questions at Gore's open meetings focused on health care and education. In Los Angeles, they ran the gamut from welfare reform to the environment, as well as a number of questions about Gore's commitment to individual rights, such as gay rights, rights of the disabled and civil rights. Abortion continued to be an issue for Gore, who was asked by reporters in Venice about comments he made during his 1976 congressional race suggesting that a woman's "freedom to live her own life" does not always outweigh the rights of a fetus.
Source: "Democrats Take Race to West Coast In Costly California, Key Goal Is 'Free Media'"
By William Booth and Lois Romano Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, February 4, 2000; Page A06 (this is one document I do not have a copy of)

* During his tenure in the U.S. House (1977 to 1984) Gore voted pro-life 27 times and had a 84% pro-life voting record.

* In letters to a constituents, he wrote: "It is my deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong. I hope that some day we will see the current outrageously large number of abortions drop sharply." (Letters from Sept. 15, 1983, August 22, 1984, )

* In a May 26, 1987 letter to a constituent he wrote: "During my 11 years in congress, I have consistently opposed federal funding for abortions. In my opinion, it is wrong to spend federal funds for what is arguably taking of a human life. Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected, and I am committed to furthering this goal."



Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.)
"Life is the division of human cells, a process that begins with conception.... The [Supreme Court's abortion] ruling was unjust, and it is incumbent on the Congress to correct the injustice." Mr. Gephardt wrote in 1984, "I have always been supportive of pro-life legislation. I intend to remain steadfast on this issue.... I believe that the life of the unborn should be protected at all costs."
In 1987, however, Mr. Gephardt decided to run for president, and he soon announced that he had discontinued his support for pro-life legislation. Specifically, he informed the National Right to Life Committee, "I do not support any Constitutional Amendment pertaining to the legality of abortion."



Sen. Edward Kennedy, [D-Mass.], in a letter to a constituent, August 3, 1971
"While the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, it is my personal feeling that the legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grown old.
"I share the confidence of those who feel that America is working to care for its unwanted as well as wanted children, protecting particularly those who cannot protect themselves. I also share the opinions of those who do not accept abortion as a response to our society's problems -- an inadequate welfare system, unsatisfactory job training programs, and insufficient financial support for all its citizens.

"When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception."



Bill Clinton, in a letter to Arkansas Right to Life, September 26, 1986
"I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong."

Reverend Jesse Jackson - he endorsed the Hyde Amendment in an open letter to Congress that opposed federal funds used for "killing infants." Mr. Jackson wrote the following statements in a 1977 National Right to Life News article
"There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of [a] higher order than the right to life ... that was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned.
"What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually? It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth."



sad,,,

wheel,
DrafterX Offline
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wheelrite wrote:



Bill Clinton, in a letter to Arkansas Right to Life, September 26, 1986
"I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong."





edited and stuff... Mellow

felt bad... Sad
fiddler898 Offline
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Politicians who change their minds... even if it means their minds were open to begin with... BAD!!!
wheelrite Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Politicians who change their minds... even if it means their minds were open to begin with... BAD!!!


or,,,
being a political whore,perhaps ???
Brewha Offline
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“I want a government that dictates reproductive rights”

This is the conservative version of freedom and small government.

Just say’n -
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Yeaaaa!!!

My tax dollars get to go to killing feti from irresponsible idiots that should be sterilized instead!


Yeaaa!!!

Don't bother to ask me if I'll ever use the service...I WON'T!...just take the money and keep on funding the killing machine enterprise!


PS: The Founding Fathers held Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness in high regard. They made no mention of Death, Slavery and the Pursuit of Misery for all.
Brewha Offline
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Go ahead DMV, call them there Dims godless – Theys gots it commin’.
Them gal mongin’ snitrads!
ram27bat
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Go ahead DMV, call them there Dims godless – Theys gots it commin’.
Them gal mongin’ snitrads!
ram27bat



What is really wrong with you?
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What is really wrong with you?


Wrong? Wrong . . . . hummm . . . . Truly, if only I knew. Odd though, thinly veiled self-righteous conservative hatred doesn’t normally bother me. It’s pretty common, ya-know? Maybe I had too much coffee. Or maybe I am compelled to teach a pig to sing. In any event, no need to rage.

Now relax;
Look deep into the eyes of the Moai and see humanity in the ocean of time . . . . can you see the Moai smile?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Wrong? Wrong . . . . hummm . . . . Truly, if only I knew. Odd though, thinly veiled self-righteous conservative hatred doesn’t normally bother me. It’s pretty common, ya-know? Maybe I had too much coffee. Or maybe I am compelled to teach a pig to sing. In any event, no need to rage.

Now relax;
Look deep into the eyes of the Moai and see humanity in the ocean of time . . . . can you see the Moai smile?



Really...go back and read up on the Declaration, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers...find me where they'd ever approve of the abortion mills with taxpayer money.

Nothing to do with your reply at all.

Wake up...you're beliving and spreading a lie.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Really...go back and read up on the Declaration, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers...find me where they'd ever approve of the abortion mills with taxpayer money.

Nothing to do with your reply at all.

Wake up...you're beliving and spreading a lie.


They had abortion clinics 200 years ago?


The Moai speaks only the truth. He now grins at you.
tweoijfoi Offline
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3% of Planned Parenthood's budget helps fund abortion.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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tweoijfoi wrote:
3% of Planned Parenthood's budget helps fund abortion.



98.2% of all statistical references are complete and utter BS.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
98.2% of all statistical references are complete and utter BS.




did you Snopes that..?? Huh
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Yes.

Snopes is a Soros owned and operated subsidiary!

Boo hoo!
tweoijfoi Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
98.2% of all statistical references are complete and utter BS.


http://www.google.com/search?q=3+planned+parenthood+abortion
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Is THAT really where you want taxpaying dollars to go?

I don't.

They could axe the entire thing.

3%...100%...it doesn't matter.

Axe the thing.

Put the money towards a new way to get us off oil.

Financing death isn't something anyone should do.
tweoijfoi Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Is THAT really where you want taxpaying dollars to go?

I don't.

They could axe the entire thing.

3%...100%...it doesn't matter.

Axe the thing.

Put the money towards a new way to get us off oil.

Financing death isn't something anyone should do.


I'm not arguing whether or not the money is justified... just trying to dispell some misinformation that is floating around that abortion is all that planned parenthood is about, and that huge stacks of money are being spent for that purpose.
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Even the most ardant anti-choice people would ultimately prefer to have the choice if they or a family member needed it.



"As her fever subsided, Karen - a former neonatal intensive-care nurse - asked for something to stop the labor. Her doctors refused, Santorum recalled, citingmalpractice concerns.

Santorum said her labor proceeded without having to induce an abortion.

Karen, a soft-spoken red-haired 37-year-old, said that ``ultimately'' she would have agreed to intervention for the sake of her other children.

``If the physician came to me and said if we don't deliver your baby in one hour you will be dead, yeah, I would have to do it,'' she said. ``But for me, it was at the very end. I would never make a decision like that until all other means had been thoroughly exhausted.''


http://articles.philly.com/1997-05-04/news/25562508_1_fetal-abnormality-controversial-late-term-abortion-procedure-intact-dilation-and-extraction/3
DrMaddVibe Offline
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You left out the part where they actually had the baby.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You left out the part where they actually had the baby.


Wasn't the relevent passage really. I quoted the part where it went forward with the abortion, but she would have chosen abortion if she needed it to save her life, which is the point. She and her husband had the choice, and wanted the choice, yet want to deny it to others.

And the baby unfortunately for them, died as it was born too pre-mature.
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Brewha wrote:
“I want a government that dictates reproductive rights”

This is the conservative version of freedom and small government.

Just say’n -



No Conservatives want a government that protects lives not condones taking them.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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abortions, yes or no, is a decision that should be made by the woman carrying the fetus and not by any religious group, politician, or anyone else.

where were all these "right to life" groups when we were sending 57,000 full grown men and women 19 years after they were born and raised, to die in the jungles of vietnam for no reason whatsoever.

where were all of you anti abortionists when we invaded iraq , killing thousands of iraq people and over 4,000 americans, not to mention the maiming and mind destroying of countless more.

you were blowing up doctor's offices and killing doctors.

you are no more then hypocrites, quoting from a reader's digest book, which is no more then a collection of campfire stories, told for centuries, and finally, the best stories about the history of homo sapiens were put in a book that those ignorant of history, believe was written under the direction of a force they call god.

fortunately cooler heads have prevailed so we no longer slaughter the weaker among us
because "god" likes sacrifices. instead we invented war.
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I have an app for my droid called efart. It has multiple fart sounds.......when I read your posts sometimes Rick I use the "oopsie" one.......
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
because "god" likes sacrifices. instead we invented war.



That statement is further proof of you total ignorance of the true character of God. For the record, Reform doctrine teaches that there are two kinds of war. Justified and unjustified. A nation is only justified to go to war in self defense. All other wars are unjustified. So see, contrary to the prejudiced broad brush you like to paint groups of people with, many Christians despise the recent wars of this Nation as much as you do.

But hey, I really appreciate your implying that ever one of faith is ignorant and simple. You’re such a tolerant, open minded Liberal.
wheelrite Offline
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dpnewell wrote:
That statement is further proof of you total ignorance of the true character of God. For the record, Reform doctrine teaches that there are two kinds of war. Justified and unjustified. A nation is only justified to go to war in self defense. All other wars are unjustified. So see, contrary to the prejudiced broad brush you like to paint groups of people with, many Christians despise the recent wars of this Nation as much as you do.

But hey, I really appreciate your implying that ever one of faith is ignorant and simple. You’re such a tolerant, open minded Liberal.


he's just demented..
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
abortions, yes or no, is a decision that should be made by the woman carrying the fetus and not by and religious group, politician, or anyone else.

where were all these "right to life" groups when we were sending 57,000 full grown men and women 19 years after they were born and raised, to die in the jungles of vietnam for no reason whatsoever.

where were all of you anti abortionists when we invaded iraq , killing thousands of iraq people and over 4,000 americans, not to mention the maiming and mind destroying of countless more.

you were blowing up doctor's offices and killing doctors.

you are no more then hypocrites, quoting from a reader's digest book, which is no more then a collection of campfire stories, told for centuries, and finally, the best stories about the history of homo sapiens were put in a book that those ignorant of history, believe was written under the direction of a force they call god.

fortunately cooler heads have prevailed so we no longer slaughter the weaker among us
because "god" likes sacrifices. instead we invented war.



Rick,
You are a new grandfather of a beautiful child.
What if your daughter in law wanted to kill/abort that child right before it was born and your son was against killing the baby as,I hope you would be ? I think you'd feel differently.

Your rantings sound idealistic but they are unrealistic...

Every child that is aborted is some old guy's grandchild..


wheel,
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:


Your rantings sound idealistic but they are unrealistic...




Um. . . . . .
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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dpnewell

You’re such a tolerant, open minded Liberal.

no i'm not.


see if this makes sense to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&feature=PlayList&p=D77DF654330FA096&playn
ext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=3
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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dpnewell

You’re such a tolerant, open minded Liberal.

no i'm not.


see if this makes sense to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&feature=PlayList&p=D77DF654330FA096&playn
ext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=3
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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wheelrite

i agree with you completely, but i can only offer advice i can't command, and would not want the
ability to command. i could only cry at the loss of the child, but that grief does not give me the right
to kill a doctor.

unless i am under the influence of some drug, like a religion.

wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
wheelrite

i agree with you completely, but i can only offer advice i can't command, and would not want the
ability to command. i could only cry at the loss of the child, but that grief does not give me the right
to kill a doctor.

unless i am under the influence of some drug, like a religion.



well Rick,,

As the Patriarch of your family it IS your duty and responsibilty to command and demand of your children ,that's how societies evolve..

That sadly,has been lost to liberal theology and political correctness...

btw,
If killing a baby is ok,why can't the Abortionists suffer the same fate ? What if someone found him inconvient ?

just wondering ?


wheel,
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:

btw,
If killing a baby is ok,why can't the Abortionists suffer the same fate ? What if someone found him inconvient ?

just wondering ?


wheel,


Already happening.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Wasn't the relevent passage really. I quoted the part where it went forward with the abortion, but she would have chosen abortion if she needed it to save her life, which is the point. She and her husband had the choice, and wanted the choice, yet want to deny it to others.

And the baby unfortunately for them, died as it was born too pre-mature.



If.

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.

If.

You can cram a lot of crap with a two lettered word.
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apachelm wrote:
No Conservatives want a government that protects lives not condones taking them.


Then their actions are misguided and confused.
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dpnewell wrote:
That statement is further proof of you total ignorance of the true character of God.


It always scares me when one man claims to know the mind of God better than another.
Brewha Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
well Rick,,

,that's how societies evolve..

wheel,


I think you me “progress” not ‘”evolve”.
However, if you do believe in evolution, are you ready to buy into the whole birds came from dinosaurs thing?

Smile
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In the Time of the Chimpanzee, I Was a Monkey...... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
In the Time of the Chimpanzee, I Was a Monkey...... Mellow



Meanwhile back at the ranch...CROS is still missing.OhMyGod



Poor CROS.
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We sent people to Iraq to give abortions?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
We sent people to Iraq to give abortions?



Yeah, you prolly missed it though because you don't watch Keith Olbermann!

THAT'S called taking the war TO them!!!whip
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wheelrite

the only "demand i ever made to my kids was never smoke a cigarette or they would have nothing
in their rooms except a bed and a dresser..at that time i was smoking 4 packs a day and had
three different cough medicines to get me to noon when i finally stopped retching and coughing,
long enough to start my first pack. they were about 6 or 7 and watching my morning ritual play
out, i doubt that hey even needed to be threatened.

i led my family by reinforcing, honesty, and fairness. my responsibility was to guild them, so they
could and would be the best they could be, and as luck would have it, they have.

bradley, my youngest, is married 20 years to a lady that has encouraged him constantly. when
they got married, they had close to two hundred friends at the wedding. i don't even know two
hundred people.

ross, my oldest, by two years is still friends with the same people he had as friends all through
high school. he is married for ten years.

both of my daughters-in-law are the daughters i never had, and toby and i love them and are glad
my sons chose them and visa verse.

toby and i have influenced both of our sons and they are two fine young men, both are self
employed and earned everything they have.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Meanwhile back at the ranch...CROS is still missing.OhMyGod



Poor CROS.




HD said he was over in Israel somewhere.... he's prolly looking for the singing bush.... Mellow
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2 turntables and a microphone!Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
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Where it's at... ? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Where CROS is...of course!d'oh!
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
wheelrite

the only "demand i ever made to my kids was never smoke a cigarette or they would have nothing
in their rooms except a bed and a dresser..at that time i was smoking 4 packs a day and had
three different cough medicines to get me to noon when i finally stopped retching and coughing,
long enough to start my first pack. they were about 6 or 7 and watching my morning ritual play
out, i doubt that hey even needed to be threatened.

i led my family by reinforcing, honesty, and fairness. my responsibility was to guild them, so they
could and would be the best they could be, and as luck would have it, they have.

bradley, my youngest, is married 20 years to a lady that has encouraged him constantly. when
they got married, they had close to two hundred friends at the wedding. i don't even know two
hundred people.

ross, my oldest, by two years is still friends with the same people he had as friends all through
high school. he is married for ten years.

both of my daughters-in-law are the daughters i never had, and toby and i love them and are glad
my sons chose them and visa verse.

toby and i have influenced both of our sons and they are two fine young men, both are self
employed and earned everything they have.


That is awesome Rick,really...


But,with all due respect, would you have let your wife abort them when she was pregnant?
You said it's a woman's choice...

a toughie ,for sure..


wheel,

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ZRX1200

you have a fart machine? i'll bet that was the best gift you ever got,

i'll bet you listen to it for hours and laugh and giggle.

wish i had a fart machine.

i'll bet i would laugh and laugh for hours.
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wheelrite

we had a neighbor who was waitng for her fifth baby.

every one of her babies was born with some major
defect in their bodies and were not expected to live long.

after bradley, my second one, was born i had a vasectomy.

we felt two healthy children would complete our family and
i didn't want to have to make a decision to abort a child that
was known to have a major problem.

that is a decision, i'm glad i never had to make.
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
wheelrite

we had a neighbor who was waitng for her fifth baby.

every one of her babies was born with some major
defect in their bodies and were not expected to live long.

after bradley, my second one, was born i had a vasectomy.

we felt two healthy children would complete our family and
i didn't want to have to make a decision to abort a child that
was known to have a major problem.

that is a decision, i'm glad i never had to make.


cool...

for me it would've been an easy decision. The baby deserved a chance...
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