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The USA as a 3rd World Country
HockeyDad Offline
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IMF cuts U.S. growth forecast, warns of crisis


SAO PAULO (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund cut its forecast for U.S. economic growth on Friday and warned Washington and debt-ridden European countries that they are "playing with fire" unless they take immediate steps to reduce their budget deficits.

The IMF, in its regular assessment of global economic prospects, said that bigger threats to growth had emerged since its previous report in April, citing the euro zone debt crisis and signs of overheating in emerging market economies.

The global lender forecast that U.S. gross domestic product would grow an anemic 2.5 percent this year and 2.7 percent in 2012. In its forecast just two months ago, it had expected 2.8 percent and 2.9 percent growth, respectively.

The outlook elsewhere was mixed. The IMF said it was slightly more optimistic about the euro area's growth prospects this year, but a lack of political leadership in dealing with that crisis and the budget showdown in the United States could create major financial volatility in coming months.

"You cannot afford to have a world economy where these important decisions are postponed because you're really playing with fire," said Jose Vinals, director of the IMF's monetary and capital markets department.

"We have now entered very clearly into a new phase of the (global) crisis, which is, I would say, the political phase of the crisis," he said in an interview in Sao Paulo, where the forecast was published.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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I blame ethanol.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted:
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Nuke the IMF, or at least get some chick to frame them.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted:
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The world's key lime water resources are drying up faster than the lending at the local banks!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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HockeyDad

without our manufacturing base, we never could have armed ourselves to beat germany.

i don't know how much it cost us in money to fight a war in vietnam,
i usually paid attention only to the deaths.

then bush and cheney's war in iraq cost us so much money, our roads and bridges
are crumbling and we don't have the money to repair our infrastructure.

we have a small manufacturing base, thanks to the obama's administration actions.

what else do we make, manufacture, or build.

we have borrowed more then we can handle, we are broke and living on
credit we will never be able to pay because we have no capacity to earn money.

we are a third world country waiting to happen.

we allowed a few people to profit excessively from the wars and we are afraid to tax them extra
for the privilege we gave them to become wealthy without any of them contributing
anything to the country.

when it is no longer feasible to buy politicians, they will take their money with them
as they find other places to live, but certainly not in a country with pot holes in the roads.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Rick......plenty of Dems were war hawking before Iraq.

And until something is done about prevailing wage labor roads and bridges will never be fixed enmass.

I do agree about the need for a manufabase though just not unionized labor.
MTappert Offline
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if we could "merc" our military we would be a great exporter. We are really good at fighting wars, and I could see it being profitable for us, if only we could get the countries we are helping to pay us for it.

( I am not saying we should turn our military or part thereof into a mercenary force, I am simply providing a discussion point. )
MTappert Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Rick......plenty of Dems were war hawking before Iraq.

And until something is done about prevailing wage labor roads and bridges will never be fixed enmass.

I do agree about the need for a manufabase though just not unionized labor.




unions had their place about 80 years ago. its time to change... <--- sounds familiar from someone promising me stuff one time.
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
HockeyDad

then bush and cheney's war in iraq cost us so much money, our roads and bridges
are crumbling and we don't have the money to repair our infrastructure.




Just a slight point of clarification.....

You tend to imply that our roads and bridges are crumbling because of Bush and Cheney's wars. This is not valid because we did not cut funding from roads and bridges to pay for those wars. We did not divert money from anything else either.

Bush and Cheney's wars, now affectionately known as Obama's wars were paid for by 30 year Treasury notes. We borrowed that money from US citizens, pensions, 401Ks, and foreigners and have not even started to pay it back yet. We are borrowing from the same sources to just make the interest payments on those loans. Your children and grandchildren haven't even begun to see the invoices yet! ....but they will.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Just a slight point of clarification.....

You tend to imply that our roads and bridges are crumbling because of Bush and Cheney's wars. This is not valid because we did not cut funding from roads and bridges to pay for those wars. We did not divert money from anything else either.

Bush and Cheney's wars, now affectionately known as Obama's wars were paid for by 30 year Treasury notes. We borrowed that money from US citizens, pensions, 401Ks, and foreigners and have not even started to pay it back yet. We are borrowing from the same sources to just make the interest payments on those loans. Your children and grandchildren haven't even begun to see the invoices yet! ....but they will.



I think Rickie was just looking in his own yard and driveway.Frying pan You ever see that bridge in his yard? Jeezus! I'm surprised the neighbors haven't called and complained!
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I think Rickie was just looking in his own yard and driveway.Frying pan You ever see that bridge in his yard? Jeezus! I'm surprised the neighbors haven't called and complained!


that's not a bridge, its a full set of dentures
DrafterX Offline
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Rick has an interstate running through his front yard..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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No, but it looks like something a troll would live under!
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DrafterX wrote:
Rick has an interstate running through his front yard..?? Huh



Does he live in a little pink house? Does he think he's got so good?
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No, but it looks like something a troll would live under!


I don't think Palin lives under his front lawn.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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No...he doesn't allow them anywhere near him.

He's a misogynistic chauvinist pig.
teedubbya Offline
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gazuntite
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
gazuntite



God bless you!

http://tinyurl.com/3fp6dkc
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#19 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Just a slight point of clarification.....

You tend to imply that our roads and bridges are crumbling because of Bush and Cheney's wars. This is not valid because we did not cut funding from roads and bridges to pay for those wars. We did not divert money from anything else either.

Bush and Cheney's wars, now affectionately known as Obama's wars were paid for by 30 year Treasury notes. We borrowed that money from US citizens, pensions, 401Ks, and foreigners and have not even started to pay it back yet. We are borrowing from the same sources to just make the interest payments on those loans. Your children and grandchildren haven't even begun to see the invoices yet! ....but they will.



Gotta agree with HD on this, our bridges and roads have been neglected for years.... Can't blame the war for that... Now that we didn't use the stimulus money to fund roads and bridges... Well that's another matter entirely..

Guess it was better to give it to the banks!!! Sarcasm

Thankfully I'm counting on my kid to make lots of money, she is going to have too!!!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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HockeyDad

i'm sorry, you read what i didn't say or intimate.

i am not aware that we don't have to pay it back yet, if that is what you are suggesting.
i am assuming it is still part of the national debt, unless we have a different credit card
for warr and and infrastructure.

either way, we are falling into disrepair, except in vegas where a quadrillion costing city
in a city is being built with condos selling for up to 10 million dollars.

the government needs to get in the business of running casinos to pay for our needs.
borndead1 Offline
#21 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
the government needs to get in the business of running casinos to pay for our needs.


They already are here in the state of MI. F**king casinos popping up everywhere. 10 years ago the closest casino was Detroit. But now there are TWO casinos within a 20 minute drive from me. My brother in law just tried to get some construction work at the new one being built. They told him they would only hire him if he is Native American. Gotta love racism. Well, when you're the one benefitting from it anyway.

But hey, at least people have somewhere to spend their unemployment check!
wheelrite Offline
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My Victory Garden is wilting...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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borndead1

are these native american casinos or state owned

i've been to two native american casinos and they treated people
the way we deserved to be treated when we started driving them
onto the worst land we could find and killed the one's we didn't move.

i understand they have long memories, but i'd never go into another
native american casino again..

only vegas is worth going to.
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
borndead1

are these native american casinos or state owned

i've been to two native american casinos and they treated people
the way we deserved to be treated when we started driving them
onto the worst land we could find and killed the one's we didn't move.

i understand they have long memories, but i'd never go into another
native american casino again..

only vegas is worth going to.


The Indians here are way OVER COMPENSATED for what happened 100+ yrs ago...
borndead1 Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
The Indians here are way OVER COMPENSATED for what happened 100+ yrs ago...


I agree. I boycott Native-American owned casinos. My brother in law does too now, after they straight up discriminated against him. I will boycott anything that I know to be racist.
bloody spaniard Offline
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You say "Third World" like it's a bad thing. This country is made up of almost half Third World folks since Ted began his goal to aggressively change the demographics of this country back in the 60's. Embrace the Balkanization!! We are all brothers anyway.

Besides, look on the bright side, we can still be the number 1 Third World country in the world!!!
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HockeyDad Offline
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I like the Balkans. I hang out there a few times a year.

One thing cool about being 3rd World is if you send 200 troops and a couple of armored cars to help out somewhere in the world, you are thanked. We gotta send 200,000 troops to maybe get the same treatment!
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Gaze into the future!



Athens, Greece (CNN) -- Greece is preparing to sell off billions of dollars worth of state assets including airports, highways, state-owned companies as well as banks, real estate and gaming licenses to meet international lenders' demands that it raise funds.

European finance ministers said Sunday that they were on track to give Greece a second huge bailout to keep the government afloat, but reiterated that Athens had to take tough measures to get it.

Greece has to raise 50 billion euros ($71 billion) through privatization by 2015, Eurogroup members said.

It also has to push through tough budget-cutting measures, they said, despite widespread protests in the country that forced a government reshuffle last week.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Some day we must talk, HD. You must have some wonderful stories. I'll tell you about the machete fights between campesinos on my abuelo's land and you can regale me with violent takeover attempts on Wall Street.
HockeyDad Offline
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Wall Street.......pfft. I'm in much more potentially insidious stuff now!
DrafterX Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Wall Street.......pfft. I'm in much more potentially insidious stuff now!



ya.... who'd a thought finding CROS was gonna be this tough..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Poor CROS.Frying pan
HockeyDad Offline
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I'm starting to think CROS doesn't want to be found.
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Gaze into the future!



Athens, Greece (CNN) -- Greece is preparing to sell off billions of dollars worth of state assets including airports, highways, state-owned companies as well as banks, real estate and gaming licenses to meet international lenders' demands that it raise funds.

European finance ministers said Sunday that they were on track to give Greece a second huge bailout to keep the government afloat, but reiterated that Athens had to take tough measures to get it.

Greece has to raise 50 billion euros ($71 billion) through privatization by 2015, Eurogroup members said.

It also has to push through tough budget-cutting measures, they said, despite widespread protests in the country that forced a government reshuffle last week.





I love the warm Geek people, HD. Have family there. Problem is, even though times are even harder there than they are here, the Greeks had been spoiled with early retirement (55), long (mandatory) vacations, low productivity goals, free (no frills) healthcare, etc. The EU has also opened the immigration gates and they are being inundated by Turks, Philipinos, and Albanians looking for a better life and doing all sorts of menial jobs for the time being. The country can barely support it's own people. Sound familiar?
Whistle Boo hoo!
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Sound familiar?
Whistle Boo hoo!




Maybe a little! It is all great until the money runs out.
DrafterX Offline
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Think Think
Greece is half empty..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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German aid, austerity measures likely as hope rises for Greek debt

By DEREK GATOPOULOS and ELENA BECATOROS The Associated Press
Sat, Jun 18 - 4:55 AM

ATHENS — Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou replaced his finance minister Friday in a broad cabinet reshuffle that won strong support from markets, optimistic that crucial austerity measures will now be passed to prevent a devastating near-term debt default.

After two days of political chaos that threatened to bring down the government, Germany also appeared ready to provide billions more in aid to carry the debt-ridden country through 2014. German Chancellor Angela Merkel indicated that the private sector would not be forced to share in the pain of a second bailout.

Together, the developments in Athens and Berlin boosted hopes Greece will get a second bailout and avoid a default, which at one point on Wednesday seemed to be just weeks away. Yields on Greek 10-year bonds dropped more than a percentage point to the still sky-high level of just under 17 per cent, while the Athens Stock Market closed up 3.8 per cent at 1,254.02.

Despite the more benign market backdrop Friday, Greece faces years of trying economic times if it is going to get on top of its 350-billion-euro debt mountain.

"The country must be saved and it will be saved," said Evangelos Venizelos, who moves from the defence ministry to take over the reins at the finance ministry. "I am leaving defence today to go to the real war."

By promoting Venizelos, who challenged Papandreou for the party leadership four years ago, to the finance ministry from the defence department, Papandreou will hope he met demands of his deputies so that the new package will get passed. At a dramatic seven-hour meeting Thursday, Socialist lawmakers demanded he remove inexperienced loyalists from the cabinet and replace them with more experienced party veterans.

"We are facing the greatest threat our country has experienced in recent decades," the prime minister told his ministers at the first meeting of his new cabinet.

"We are again at a critical juncture in the middle of a difficult negotiation that is crucial for the future of the country — for an immediate solution of a major national problem, the problem of debt that threatens to destroy us and destroy the lives of millions of Greeks," he said.

Papandreou has struggled to garner support for a crucial new package of $39.5 billion in spending cuts and tax hikes demanded by the EU and International Monetary Fund, which granted Greece’s first bailout loans last year in return for austerity measures. The package must be voted through parliament this month if the country is to continue receiving funds from its bailout.

Venizelos, who is expected to attend a meeting of eurozone finance ministers in Luxembourg Sunday and Monday, renewed a call to the opposition Conservatives to join the effort of reforming Greece’s economy.

Papandreou will travel to Brussels on Monday to meet with European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso in an attempt to assuage fears about Greece’s commitment to the bailout program. For weeks, the commission has called for cross-party support for the new austerity measures, since they last beyond the end of Papandreou’s term.

The prime minister had tried to face down a political crisis by negotiating with the conservatives to form a coalition government earlier this week, but the talks quickly collapsed.

His reshuffle is partly a response to the failure of those talks and the hope is that the appointment of Venizelos, a 57-year-old constitutional law professor, will give Papandreou the necessary votes in Parliament, where his Socialists have a majority of five seats.

Venizelos is considered Papandreou’s main internal Socialist rival. A veteran of several ministries, he handled the run-up to Greece’s hosting of the Olympic Games in 2004 as culture minister, and has also held the justice, development and transport portfolios in the past.

He replaces George Papaconstantinou, who became broadly unpopular as he imposed budget cuts and tax hikes as part of last year’s 110-billion-euro international bailout deal. Papaconstantinou retains a ministerial position.

Government portfolios were also redistributed to address demands for faster reform from Greece’s debt monitors at the European Union and IMF. A new ministry for administrative reform was created to help scale back the country’s bloated public sector.

Venizelos’ immediate task is to get on top of budget slippages and setbacks in cost-cutting reforms as well as pushing ahead with a massive privatization drive worth $70.5 billion. At the same time, he will have to negotiate a vital second bailout package with Greece’s frustrated international creditors.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Business/1249042.html
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted:
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we should send them some cheese.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#39 Posted:
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We could borrow money from the Chinese and use it to buy Greece some govment feta cheese.
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Quote:
A new ministry for administrative reform was created to help scale back the country’s bloated public sector.


Oh that is irony. Let's create a government organization to figure out how to have less government organizations.

Isn't that what the leglislature is for?
DrafterX Offline
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tweoijfoi wrote:
Oh that is irony. Let's create a government organization to figure out how to have less government organizations.

Isn't that what the leglislature is for?



I bet they were all from Chicago.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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tweoijfoi wrote:
Oh that is irony. Let's create a government organization to figure out how to have less government organizations.

Isn't that what the leglislature is for?



NOBODY does it better than the Department of Redundancy Department.

They're special!Frying pan





DrMaddVibe Offline
#43 Posted:
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These guys are pretty special too...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igJEYBAd7Go
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HockeyDad wrote:
Gaze into the future!



Athens, Greece (CNN) -- Greece is preparing to sell off billions of dollars worth of state assets including airports, highways, state-owned companies as well as banks, real estate and gaming licenses to meet international lenders' demands that it raise funds.

European finance ministers said Sunday that they were on track to give Greece a second huge bailout to keep the government afloat, but reiterated that Athens had to take tough measures to get it.

Greece has to raise 50 billion euros ($71 billion) through privatization by 2015, Eurogroup members said.

It also has to push through tough budget-cutting measures, they said, despite widespread protests in the country that forced a government reshuffle last week.

/


Heard the Affy war is costing US 2 billion a week. We could/should help out Greece and buy 71 billion of their stuff instead. Tangible assets instead of sand. No brainer. Oil up the printing presses and let's buy our way out of this mess.

ON another note, Make sure your tongue is in your cheek instead of between someone else's cheeks.
Stinkdyr Offline
#45 Posted:
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Our welcome-to-the-3rd-world moment was Hurrican Katrina..........if anyone had any doubt before then.

d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
#46 Posted:
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Our welcome-to-the-3rd-world moment was Hurrican Katrina..........if anyone had any doubt before then.

d'oh!



Katrina was just a reminder that humans are very accustomed to electricity, water, and sewer and after about 4 days without these things, we revert to the middle ages quickly.
HockeyDad Offline
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Our 3rd world moment will not happen until we lose the faith of foreign creditors.

Then we get "austerity".
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